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Yeah, yeah, call it spam, but there have been threads for other videos like this, so now it's my turn. I put like... a lot of hours into this, as I'd never touched After Effects or Premiere before this, so I feel obligated to share.
Update: 10/14: Episode 3
You don't sound as cute as I thought you would have...
I enjoyed it, it was good dry humor and enlightening.
You don't sound like imagined you would. Regardless though, I liked it, make more.
premiere takes a bit getting used to but as soon as you get the basics down youll be editing crazy fast.
im trying to transition from premiere pro to final cut, and it hasnt been smooth at all.
I don't sound quite like I do in the video. I forced my voice a lot higher than my speaking voice to make it clearer and easier to understand in the video. Tigana, who knows me in real life, didn't even realize it was me.Yeah, I'm totally in love with After Effects and Premiere. Premiere doesn't export to compressed formats well, though, so I still have to use an external encoder. That seems silly, but oh wellQuote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
yeah it does. When you go to export, its there, adobe media encoder or something like that. I havent been on it in a while but its got a HUGE list, from quicktime, windows media, mpeg standards, ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
oh wait nevermind, you said well.
Yeah, when I export divx videos there's shitloads of breakup and stuff. It's useless.
Not too silly--we do the same in the office. Export through Premiere (or Avid) and compress with Cleaner XL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Good work though ;) I'm impressed.
TLDW. :p
what do you think of Avid? Right now im not to happy with the transition from premiere to final cut, there were so many small things that youcould do easy in premiere, that final cut makes a tedious long process. If it wasnt for my major being all mac i would have stayed premiere.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I only know Premiere well enough to capture footage and cut it into one minute chunks, then export to AVI :) Never done anything more, and never used Avid. But I believe our dedicated video producers use Avid rather than Premiere.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
i figured that last part, probably what they were taught on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
and also your experience with premiere is 90% of what you need to do to make videos hahahahahaha.
The other 10% is transitions. Starwipe and we're out!Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
on the whole that was great. Informative, well written and solidly put together. My only suggestion would be to maybe get someone with a more radio friendly voice to narrate (not that theres anything particularly wrong with your voice)
You should get Astroblue and his sexy voice to narrate it.
I loved the deadpan delivery of nonsense like the floating disembodied Mr T head actually being in the show. I'd totally break up trying to say that.
Fwiw, Frogacuda's slips into his real voice during the home improvement part.
Good show. I was afraid that things were gonna be kind of dull til you got to the 2600 A-Team game, from then on it sounded like you found your rhythm and everything else following seemed more natural.
I'm still shocked that a Homey the Clown game existed.
I got my start years ago in premiere, but that was well before pro. I work on either Avid or FCP now, but over the last year its seemed like I'm getting more and more FCP work.
Brian, if your having trouble switching from premiere to final cut, i wouldnt recommend switching to avid at all, because its going to make you want to kill yourself. Avid's very difficult to learn, because its been around for so long, its basically its own system. FCP and premiere "feel like" computer programs, and thus a lot of stuff you do in them works they way any kind of computer program would work. Avid has its own way of doing stuff, and a lot of time, if you dont know what you need to do, its very unintuitive. Most people I've worked with that learned on avid have a very very difficult time moving to FCP. They say it just doesnt make sense to them, when if you have used both, FCP makes a lot more sense than Avid.
Also, Frog, the final product is great. I'm really happy with the way it turned out. Congrats.
Not bad. lol at Home Improvement game. It looked like Castlevania backdrop.
That was my original intention. I recorded mine as a placeholder, but I eventually got it to where it was "good enough" and a few people convinced me to keep it. No one else wanted to do it, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue
hahaha, i wasnt planning on moving to avid anytime soon (or really at all), i was just wondering. The closest ive been to avid was a convention contest in hollywood. We busted out our powrebook, and they start pulling out the wierdest multicolored keyboard id ever seeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezz
the biggest annoyances to me are just the little things premiere did that final cut doesnt. I was very used to the quick right click properties, especially unlinking audio and video in premiere. When i first imported footage on to final cut, for some reason none of it was synced properly, and the next day when i started up the project again, 1 frame of another video file kept clipping into another, i checked the captured masters and the same thing. I was on a deadline so brushed my mac aside and went baqck to my PC.
Nice. I enjoyed that. Just don't start sucking like the angry video game nerd. :)
Point by point criticism:
1.) You let the shot with "Episode 1: TV Party" run waaaaaay to long. Fade to black if you have to, fade to something else preferably, but having it just sit there screams sloppy and amateurish.
2.) You're reading from a script the whole time, and it's pretty obvious. Next time get the shit down and just say it like you were talking to someone in a conversation rather than reading to them. It'll take multiple tries to get a good flow going and may require more editing, but the finished product is well worth it.
3.) You have some funny lines, images, etc. here and yet there's no delivery. You know comedy better than anyone on TNL, and yet it really doesn't show here. The dry monotone just stomps all over it. Even a pause or two would have helped things alot.
EDIT: Before I get flamed, I just want to say it looks great and has potential. But what you need is honest criticism to help you, not the same back-slapping.
Agreed. I just did it because I like the song, but I shouldn't have. Realized this when Grave said he was worried until the voice kicked in. As for fading to something else, I couldn't really think of anything. Would be easier if I shot some video of myself speaking, but I don't want to go that route, and don't have a camera anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
Like I said, my conversational delivery does not work for this. I sound like Jim Florentine. It's not a good narrator voice. But I am going to work on smoothing out my delivery. It'll take some practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I personally find dry delivery very funny. I'm convinced a dry tone is the right one, but yeah, I don't profess to have the timing down or anything. I do know comedy and I also know comics try shit 40 different ways before they get it right and subtle changes in the wording can have a big impact, so I'll have to work on that, too.
I mean the writing is very much dry sarcasm, so I don't think a more energetic delivery is going to flatter the material.
I actually started on Final Cut, but now that I've got this PC I'll be switching to Premiere. If you need any help though, I might be able to at least point you in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by RDM Brian
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Originally Posted by g0zen
Take the A-Team joke for instance, the idea of a game involving a floating Mr. T head firing lazers should be hilarious, but you steam roll through it. Slow it down a little. That is if the comedy is even a priority, if instead it's just an aside to spice up an otherwise bland review / retrospective (a la X-Play) then yeah you probably have it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, like I said, the timing isn't great. I just don't think the problem is that it's dry or monotone, it's something else. Slowing it down is probably a good start. Again, I'm going to have work on it. It's not really as easy as it seems like it ought to be.
And actually, yeah, the comedy's not the basis of the show. It's not a "make fun of bad games" show, just a series of short retro-reviews based on a theme, but that doesn't mean I want the humor to fall flat, either, so point taken.
The gold standard I point to is always Consolevania. But those guys are TV writers and despite the low-rent appearance they try to give to the production they're actually using pretty good equipment.
They kinda sound like cartoon characters. Not really my thing.
Anyway, I'm still learning. Except for the writing, I didn't have any experience going into this, and it'll be a few eps before I get the delivery down. The dry deadpan's not likely going anywhere, but I'll try to sell it better in the future.
Speak from your diaphragm. Your voice will "catch" alot less that way. Treat your lungs like bagpipes and squeeze the air up from below them. Or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Also, sit up as straight as you can, chin up. Start by breathing as deeply as you can and holding your breath a few times to expand your lung capacity. And try holding a note, and going up and down the scale to warm up your voice.
Will do.
You sounded kind of nervous. The spliced in footage with the dialogue (like Mr. T eyelasering Assimo) was cool, production wise. I studied after effects for 2 weeks to apply for an internship I wanted and eventually got. It's not an easy program to master.
QFT, aftereffects was just a big headache.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
I studied it for 2 days before I made this, heh. I think the little GotNext logo thing at the beginning looks nice. The Mr. T eye laser thing is cheesy looking, but that was the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
I think the interface is quite elegant, actually. I find it very intuitive, but I'm not exactly doing anything terribly complicated, either.
FWIW, I loved it. I didn't know some of these games existed so I learned something and I am glad I don't ever have to play these.
I made a new one, finally. Once again, Sqoon on the assist with the writing.
I tried to incorporate a lot of the feedback from this thread. It's still my voice, but it's more like my natural speaking voice, and the recording's clearer. Also waste less time with the intro and keep the pacing snappy (though it is long, it, but it covers a lot)
I fucking love Journey.
I enjoyed this very much, though I think it could have been tightened up a bit to make it a little faster, and flow a little better. I'm an impatient person, however, so I'm not the best judge.
Nah, you're right. I wanted to keep the pacing very ADD and I was worried about it's length. That said, I also added more of an intro and outro, and segues to give it a little more coherent feel than the first one I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammadeau
What needed to be trimmed the most, you think? Was it too many segments in general (I wanted 5 but decided late in the game Revolution X needed mentioning) or were there particular parts where it dragged?
Very entertaining.
Cool show. Keep it up.
And I fucking love Premiere Pro. I use it all the time.
I think the number was fine, but Journey, Moonwalker, and the Devo one overstayed their welcome a bit. It's mainly the parts where you aren't talking. For example, the bit with the "don't stop--" was great, but the lead into it was too long. Weakens the impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, the don't stop was pretty poorly timed. There was too much dead space between your talking and it. It should have happened the second after you said your last line.
I agree with the Devo bit. I was struggling to articulately express why it was so broken without too much detail, but I couldn't find my way around it. The don't stop thing we thought about doing a bunch of different ways. The reason I didn't do it right after the vo ended was because I wanted to sucker people into watching so it would seem abrupt. You expect it to end right after the vo, so I tried to make it seem like there was something more coming. It probably would have worked better if it was the last segment, but I wanted to go chronologically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammadeau
It doesn't sucker people into anything though, it's just dead space that is actually rather boring. I don't think it would have worked any way.
Yeah, maybe. One of those things that sounds like a good idea on paper, but might not of have worked no matter how we did it. Sqoon had an idea where we would tell people to watch closely for an undocumented glitch we found and then cut it off, but I just went simpler.
Anyway, it's like 3-4 seconds so whatever. I can deal with a couple gags not going over. Only way to avoid that entirely is keep trying things and see what people respond to. At least it's not 11 minutes on one game like Angry Video Game Nerd.