Grandmother Accused of Using Granddaughter As Lookout During Drug Deal

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Originally Posted by Yahoo

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A 39-year-old grandmother accused of selling heroin on the streets of a Los Angeles suburb with her 11-year-old granddaughter as a lookout has been arrested on drug and child endangerment charges, police said on Tuesday.
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Undercover officers watched for two weeks as Martha Gutierrez Novas sold heroin at a bus stop in Long Beach, south of Los Angeles, clutching a brown and white Chihuahua and often with her granddaughter at her side, a police spokesman said.

"The granddaughter acted as a lookout, standing at the corner of the building looking, I assume, for police officers," said Sgt. Paul LeBaron, a Long Beach spokesman. "It's horrible. Absolutely horrible. I've never seen anything this blatant. She just didn't even care."

Novas was found with a bag of heroin and cocaine when she was taken into custody on Monday, LeBaron said, and a search of her home turned up two ounces of heroin and a large amount of cash.

He said Novas, who faces charges of drug sales and possession as well as child endangerment and was being held on $100,000 bail, refused to tell police who was supplying her with the drugs.

LeBaron said that Novas' immigration status was under investigation and that Child and Family Services officials were also probing the matter.

He said Novas also sometimes sold drugs with her 4-year-old granddaughter present. Neither child was charged.

"This lady was pretty much going to the same spot all day long during the daylight hours selling to a large clientele," LeBaron said. "Any time during the day you could go out there and find her."

It was not clear how much jail time Novas could face, if convicted.

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A 39 year old grand mother with an 11 year old grand daughter? When you're a grandmother at 28, chances are that your life is already fucked.

Mexicans.... aye caramba.

That's f-ing impressive. My oldest brother is 46 and the next youngest is 37. A 39 year-old grandmother?!!! WTF.

and no, I'm not paying attention to the fact that she used her granddaughter to sell drugs. Gotta help out the familia somehow

EDIT: I'm not the least bit surprised that her immigration status in in question.

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Originally Posted by Type Ryan

Mexicans.... aye caramba. I'm not the least bit surprised that her immigration status in in question.

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you just think about that mister

http://wannabepoet.net/img/0001/Mexican.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gohron

A 39 year old grand mother with an 11 year old grand daughter? When you're a grandmother at 28, chances are that your life is already fucked.

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Seriously, I'm doing the math here. She must have had a kid at 14, and that kid then had a kid at 14.

In another 3 years, she can be a great grandmother.

She's probably from MS13. Big time mexican gang out here. And if she is from MS13 they will probably investigate murder too. If you wanna be in you gotta kill someone. Or bang a bunch of the guys. She probably did both.
That kind of shit happens more than anyone really wants to admit. They just happen to find out about this one.

Ive seen girls that looked around 8 or 9 years old,in a skirt on the corner at 2am with her big sister. Just out kickin it. L.A. is a fucked up place. Seriously.


JBNagis

MS13 is some serious shit, they make the crips look like pussies.

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Originally Posted by JBNagis

She's probably from MS13. Big time Mexican gang out here. And if she is from MS13 they will probably investigate murder too. If you wanna be in you gotta kill someone. Or bang a bunch of the guys. She probably did both.
That kind of shit happens more than anyone really wants to admit. They just happen to find out about this one.

Ive seen girls that looked around 8 or 9 years old,in a skirt on the corner at 2am with her big sister. Just out kickin it. L.A. is a fucked up place. Seriously.


JBNagis

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I don't think a petty drug deal like this shows any relevance to a possible connection to the petty and barbaric MS13. Although they are very savage and ruthless, they are also extremely un-organized(in America anyways which is a good thing for us).

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Originally Posted by nocturne

I don't think a petty drug deal like this shows any relevance to a possible connection to the petty and barbaric MS13. Although they are very savage and ruthless, they are also extremely un-organized(which is a good thing for the world).

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You fail, again

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

MS-13, Mara, MS, and are composed mostly of Salvadorans, Hondurans and other Central Americans. The MS-13 gangs have cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and Latin America. Membership is believed to total over 100,000 worldwide

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Originally Posted by nocturne

I don't think a petty drug deal like this shows any relevance to a possible connection to the petty and barbaric MS13. Although they are very savage and ruthless, they are also extremely un-organized(in America anyways which is a good thing for us).

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Probably her supplier. which is why she didn't say anything bout it.
And thank god they're not that organized. Can you imagine the shit storm they would kick up if they were.


JBNagis

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Originally Posted by Biff-chan

You fail, again

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You fail to comprehend simple rhetoric. Again.
I said Organized. They may have the numbers but the organization is not there to back it up.
And you know how i know this? Because organized gangs like the Cosa Nostra and the Black Hand don't try and draw unneeded attention to themselves, the MS13 thrive on making attention to generate fear.

Theres many, many different gangs in L.A.- alot of Latino orgin.

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You fail to comprehend simple wordplay. Again.
I said Organized. They may have the numbers but the organization is not there to back it up.
And you know how i know this? Because organized gangs like the Cosa Nostra and the Black Hand don't try and draw uneeded attention to themselves, the MS13 thrive on making attention to generate fear.

Theres many, many different gangs in L.A.- alot of latino orgin.

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You continue to be the worst poster on TNL.

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Originally Posted by not organized?

Once a member is brought in to the gang, they are in for life. They cannot act without the boss's consent - they cannot kill without reason, cannot talk to the police, cannot skip gang meetings, nor can they leave the gang. MS-13 has no tolerance for gang members who drop out. In March of 2004, 16-year old Edgar Guzman, was brought before the US Bureau of Immigration and Customers Enforcement in Colorado. He had entered the United States illegally, traveling from Guatemala on foot. In Guatemala he had been a member of the MS-13 gang. His sole reason for leaving his native country was to escape the gang life, live with his Aunt in Georgia, and begin school. He begged authorities not to deport him

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Sounds pretty organized to me, skippy.

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Originally Posted by wikipedia
MS-13, Mara, MS, and are composed mostly of Salvadorans, Hondurans and other Central Americans. The MS-13 gangs have cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and Latin America. Membership is believed to total over 100,000 worldwide

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Way to contradict yourself. Everyone knows a gang always in the media with 100,000 people all in seperate cliches are surely organized. Lose-Cannons anyone?
I can understand how me talking about the Jews made you angry(which i apologize for) but relying on arrogant comments to respond to my posts is a waste of your time.

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Originally Posted by nocturne

Way to contradict yourself. Everyone knows a gang always in the media with 100,000 people all in seperate cliches are surely organized. Lose-Cannons anyone?
I can understand how me talking about the Jews made you angry(which i apologize for) but relying on arrogant comments to respond to my posts is a waste of your time.

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I'll bet they could get their 100,000 people together faster than you could summon up your buddies to meet you in florida.

High Numbers calling one gang as their set= Organized, there is no 22nd street Shotgun crips, 5th and wilson designer dress shop crips, etc.

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Originally Posted by Biff-chan

you just think about that mister

http://wannabepoet.net/img/0001/Mexican.jpg

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That's one dumb Mexican. Burritos are AMERICAN. They don't exist in Mexico.

Yeah, but it gets his point across I think.

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Originally Posted by Biff-chan

I'll bet they could get their 100,000 people together faster than you could summon up your buddies to meet you in florida.

High Numbers calling one gang as their set= Organized, there is no 22nd street Shotgun crips, 5th and wilson designer dress shop crips, etc.

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Don't pull gang names out of your ass lol.

Just imagine, by the time she is 70 she could be a great,great,great grandmother.
Could be worse, she could be Jewish. Can you imagine that many more kikes running around in the world. I shudder at the thought.

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Originally Posted by nocturne

Don't pull gang names out of your ass lol.

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There is a shotgun crip gang. Along with schoolyard,DGAF. And for a while there were some crews named after designer clothes lines.


JBNagis

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There is a shotgun crip gang. Along with schoolyard,DGAF. And for a while there were some crews named after designer clothes lines.


JBNagis

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I take it you would know first hand?
I was under the impression most gangs especially sub divisions of the crips and or bloods would base there names off the street or area the live in. I.e. Rollin 88 crips.

Doesn't always work that way, home slice.

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Originally Posted by nocturne

I take it you would know first hand?
I was under the impression most gangs especially sub divisions of the crips and or bloods would base there names off the street or area the live in. I.e. Rollin 88 crips.

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Yes i would know first hand. Born and raised in South Central during the mid 80's 90's. When every single color was a hood. I remember when the only color you could wear without getting banged on was black. Shit even clothing lines. Walk into a blood hood wearing K-Swiss (Killing Slobs When I See Some) or in a crip hood wearing Nike (Nigga I Kill Ericet) could get you killed.

The street hoods are the most common. but there are others that dont follow the usual pattern.

The Brims,Pyru,Bloodstone,Booyah tribe,Grape Street,Tortilla Flats.
It varies.depending on where your at. King and Rodeo (The Jungles) are pretty much run by Bloodstone Pyru.


JBNagis