Official Car Thread :: Vol 2 :: Now with More Bikes!

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Originally Posted by Rumpy

Why the hell did that debut in Thailand?

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Because in America we do not get most of the cool shit. Poor America. No Mondeos, no Skylines etc. but we've got millions of Camry's for sale.

I went by the LA Auto Show yesterday.

Sad to not see:

• Camaro
• Fiesta

Glad to see:

• G8 ST
• Audi TTS

Elated to see:

• DBS

Random thoughts:

It was cool to get up close with a bunch of cars I usually just see in passing. Sat inside a Fit, and though I don't like the new body as much as the old I was definitely impressed by the insides. It doesn't feel at all like a small car. Sat inside a Mazda 6 and that car is ridiculously big--I'm a huge fan of the way the car looks, but it's just way too big for anything I'd want. The G37 Coupe/convertible is frickin' hideous. The G35 coupe is a great looking car but they just botched the shit out of it with the update, and the convertible doesn't help (makes it more Solara-esque). Sat inside a hardtop Miata and I want one bad. For a minute, I was calculating the difference between trade-in on the Goat and a new Grand Touring hardtop before I came to my senses. Still, if I were buying a new car today it'd be a hardtop Miata. The SRT-4's seats really are outstanding, seats like that should be in every sporting car. Eff what the mags say, the 1-Series is BMW's best looking car--the 135i is the BMW I'd take home. Pontiac's G3 is so goddamn embarrassing. Even in person, the base CTS looks betters than the CTS-V. The CTS wagon is very sharp. I kinda dig the Cube, but only if it's dirt cheap. At $13k that car makes a lot of sense. At $15k, fuggetabowdit. Ferrari's California is worse-looking in person than in pictures. It's just kinda dopey, and that it's front-engined amid the rest of the MR Ferrari lineup makes it even less appealing. You'd have to be a clown to pass up an F430 for a California. On a related topic, every 2+2 at the show looked useless--the back seats are all jokes. I'm sure the lack of space was sort of amplified by them moving all the front seats far back for display, but move my GTO's seats all the way back and my rear seats are still totally usable, both for torsos and full human beings. Sitting in the STi made me want one of those, too. The one at the show was dark gray which is a fantastic color on that car. Great looking car, best looking STi we've had in the States.

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Sitting in the STi made me want one of those, too. The one at the show was dark gray which is a fantastic color on that car. Great looking car, best looking STi we've had in the States.

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when the 2008 STIs rolled out, i thought they were disgusting, but close to a year later, the design has really grown on me.
I don't mind that it's a hatchback anymore and think the front end looks damn good. love the front lights, grill, and the subtle hood scoop.
The back end however, is awful. I think Subaru really fucked up the tail light design.

Did Subby make any subtle exterior changes?

Thanks for the impressions.

Went to the Central Florida Auto Show with the wife and kids yesterday (and my best friend too) highlights include,

FORD:

Seeing the dash of the Hybrid Fusion light up, it's like driving with a PSP giving you your gauge cluster. The Fusion sport has really cool honeycomb tail lights. Overall the new 2010 Fusion looks great. Between the new Fusion, Mazda 6 and the Malibu who would be caught dead in an Accord or Camry?

Saw the Raptor and its nightmare suspension from hell itself. Ford should be the only name in trucks, every one else should go home.

Other F150's were there and the stripper model 09 f150 isn't that big looking. Tailgate step is hella good.

See a 2010 Mustang which is like a 2005 Mustang that shrank and little in the wash. Seeing it and the new Camaro and Challenger makes the new stang look downright tiny. Engine upgrades plus beefed suspension plus sleeker/smaller look and an interior that looks sick with ambient lighting means well, damn. Trusted powertrain and suspension means an aftermarket rife with upgrade toys.

LINCOLN/MERCURY:

New Lincoln MKZ looks slick as well, in black it's insane IMO. The MKS also looks damn good in white. Due to kids I'd probably still opt for an MKX if I had cash to blow on a premium brand.

If I had the cash I would pick up a hybrid Milan as its redesign is very subtle and refined styling.

MAZDA:

The wife and kid fell in love with the Mazda 5. When the Wife's Protege hatch craps out we'll be picking up a manual 5. Slickest mini van on the market.

Teh 6 is teh BIG. Should have left the 6 alone, made the new 6 a little bigger and called it a 9 or something. Looks like it's ready to battle 7 series. Didn't take a change to sit inside and haven't look at it's specs yet but it's good on the outside.

Everything else from Mazda was the same as before, oh well. Speed 3 would have been more interesting if best friend didn't have one that I've worked on and driven. (Best bang for buck car on the market this side of Mustangs).

NISSAN:

370 looks much better in person than in internet pictures. I take back saying it's an abomination. I still think they took the lazy Porsche styling school when making it but oh well.

GTR was there, every one was flocking to Nissan's super Evo. I think that the GTR is the most boring super car ever invented so whatever, I think I took one picture of it.

My son had a huge infatuation with the Nissan SUVs, took him forever to bored of playing around in the Armada.

Altima coupe was there looking as sexy as ever.

CHEVY/CADILLAC

For some reason I LOVE the Aveo sedan. Sickens me sometimes to think about but oh well. I like the basic styling and the honesty of the car for what it is appeals to me. Also like the surprisingly large trunk. You can get a new Aveo with wood trim. I guess adding wood trim is supposed to make one think you're driving a less expensive Buick or Caddy?

HHR Panel vans have rear doors. Didn't know that. Do now.

They had the Camaro there but given that we've known about it for 5 years or whatever and still cannot get it despite massive exposure I no longer care about it. It's also big as fuck like the Challenger. It's size will be its undoing vs. the new smaller looking Mustang.

They had a Corvette ZR1. Slick machine I suppose. Had a clear plastic hole in the roof so one could see that it was super charged.

Cadillac had a variety of XLRs on the display. It is such a neat looking super box. It was crowded with people by the XLRs so I didn't really check them out.

I did take several pics of the new CTS or is it STS Wagon they've got coming out. For some reason they think they need an upscale Magnum. Given that Audi and BMW sell wagons and I see them rarely, I don't see the need for this in America but hey, I've been surprised in the past. It looked really good anyways although you couldn't touch it.

I'll post more when I can post the pics of the show.

Is the fat lady singing yet?

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Originally Posted by Left Lane News

General Motors announced today that it plans to refocus its dwindling resources on its core brands - Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac and GMC - and sell Swedish automaker Saab, shrink Pontiac to a niche brand and either discontinue or sell Saturn depending on its value.

The automaker will cut one-third of its current nameplates by 2012 and lose about 1,700 of its 6,400 dealerships.

The new, streamlined GM will debut by 2012, the automaker told the United States Congress today as a part of its restructuring plan.

Saab

GM President Fritz Henderson told reporters that Saab is essentially on the market effective immediately, though the automaker is conducting an “expedited and strategic review” of the brand. GM has owned Saab since 2000, though it has had a stake in the Swedish luxury automaker for nearly 20 years. Potential suitors for Saab haven’t been named.

Saturn

Henderson told Automotive News that Saturn “is just not successful.” He declined to specify whether the brand would be folded or sold off, though most analysts say that Saturn’s value is quite limited. Henderson said that the automaker would discuss the brand’s future with its dealer group before making an official decision.

Pontiac

Pontiac will become a “specialty niche” brand, according to Henderson.

This likely means the brand will be trimmed down to core performance models and that the volume models, G5 and G6, will probably not be replaced. Speculation earlier today about the future of the slow-selling G8 leads us to believe it will probably not be replaced, either, and the automaker has reportedly canned the next-generation Solstice.

“Pontiac will be more of a high-value performance brand, like Corvette to Chevrolet,” Mark LaNeve, GM’s North American vice president of sales, told the Detroit News.

Further restructuring

GM says it will continue cutting up to 30,000 workers by 2012 and continue closing up to at least nine plants. The automaker said it will also slash more than 1,700 of its 6,400 dealers.

The automaker’s plan calls for negotiating with the UAW to help cut manufacturing costs further, as well as with lenders and bondholders to cut back about $35.6 billion of the automaker’s $66 billion in debt.

$18 billion

GM requested $18 billion of the $25 billion the three automakers are asking in low-interest loans from the U.S. government. That figure is quite a bit higher than the $10 to $12 billion that CEO Rick Wagoner requested two weeks ago when he first met with Congress.

Four billion dollars are needed by the end of December, GM says, or, according to Henderson, “the company cannot fund its operations.” He refused to confirm or deny that GM would go into bankruptcy, but the statement is still pretty clear about how dire GM’s need has become.

Absent such assistance, the company will default in the near term, very likely precipitating a total collapse of the domestic industry and its extensive supply chain, with a ripple effect that will have severe, long-term consequences to the U.S. economy,” the automaker wrote in its report to Congress.

Salary cuts

In response to concerns about executive compensation, Wagoner will take a $1 annual salary.

Henderson, who received $1.9 million last year, will take a 30 percent cut, while three others - Vice Chairman Bob Lutz, Chief Financial Officer Ray Young and Tom Stephens, executive vice president of GM powertrain and global quality - will all take 20 percent cuts.

GM’s Board of Directors will also reduce their annual retainer to $1 in 2009.

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I drove the largest vehicle I ever have today, a 26' rental truck. It was fun.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1228835050

I'd be terrified.

It really wasn't as bad as I expected. Just turn late, watch your corners, and keep a close eye on your mirrors.

Ford Focus RS

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Originally Posted by Ford

I know... we'll make it look like one of them Jap cars and we'll sell a ton!

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Shit son, I think it looks good. My only quibbles are that the rear valence and wing could be a little more subdued. Maybe I'm biased, though?

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They had it right back in 2002-2004.

the focus rs looks pretty cool. wonder if it will reach the states?

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Originally Posted by Klonoa

the focus rs looks pretty cool. wonder if it will reach the states?

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I doubt it, considering that we got the handicapped Focus vs. the European platform. I would like to see how many C30's they have sold; I have only seen a few on the road since they have been released.

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Originally Posted by Advocate

Ford Focus RS

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I wonder if the inside still feels like it is made out of a thin layer of sun dried horse shit.

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Originally Posted by LeftLane News

Following the car’s first public appearance at the 2008 British Motor Show, more official images of the Ford Focus RS have surfaced online. Until now, the Focus RS has only been seen in a neon lime green, but the latest shots show the RS in a much more subdued blue.

Although the car shown at the British Motor Show was billed as a concept, the car has moved to a production version of the second-generation Focus RS for 2009. “The time is right for Ford to deliver a new high performance model for the legions of loyal Ford RS customers around Europe,” said Jost Capito, head of Team RS, which sadly sounds like there are no current plans to bring the hot hatch Stateside anytime soon. The Euro-based Focus will be sold in the U.S. early next decade.

It’s not clear why Ford won’t offer the model in America. It would certainly make a good rival to the Mazdaspeed 3, Dodge Caliber SRT4, Chevy Cobalt SS, and others.
The car will have enough juice to run with the cars mentioned above — rated at 295 horsepower and 302 pound-feet of torque, it trumps them all. The engine responsible for these numbers is the Duratec turbocharged 2.5-liter inline five cylinder borrowed from Volvo’s parts bin. No official numbers have been release, but iMotorMag.com specualtes the RS will make the sprint from 0-62 in 5.9 seconds. The first-generation RS, launched in 2002 in Europe, used a 2.0-liter inline four with 212hp and about 230lb-ft of torque, which many thought was the limit of a front wheel drive platform back then.

Ford of Europe already offers a Focus ST, which uses the same 2.5L engine to generate 225 hp

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http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/486799

GM is shuttering all of it's North American operations until mid February.

The US may not get Top Gear after all

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Originally Posted by Autoblog

UPDATE: According to an entertainment industry source, NBC didn't "pass" on the program so much as it decided to sit on Top Gear as it hashed out the network's future. The BBC was able to get the program "back" so it could bring it to another channel. We'll see...

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Pleasantly surprised:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-fusion-review.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/13/f...0-ford-fusion/

Not so surprised. More like expected:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-mustang-gt-review.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/13/f...rd-mustang-gt/

2010 Mustang >>>>>>> 370Z imo. Especially in that light blue.

Truth.

My vanity plate for my bike finally came in, completing the odd Shadow of the / Wander and the Colossus theme.

I can now die a dorky man.

2010 Ford Taurus:

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Originally Posted by LeftLane News

The 2010 Ford Taurus will make its debut at next month’s Detroit Auto Show, but thanks to our spy photographers, you don’t have to wait three more weeks to see the finished product. Our spies spotted the ‘10 Taurus while it was being transported between two buildings with nothing hiding its identity except for a funky paint job.

The current Ford Taurus was unveiled in early 2007 as the 2008 Ford Five Hundred. It was then renamed to Taurus in an effort to take advantage of the nameplate’s strong mindshare. The car was “facelifted” to give it more style than the original 2005 Five Hundred. Unfortunately, the move was not enough to boost sales or public perception of the model.

As a result, Ford CEO Alan Mulally ordered a complete redesign. Less than six months ago, he told the press the 2010 Taurus would be “the one we should have made originally.”

Ford has decided to combine elements of its “Bold American” and European “Kinetic” design language for the 2010 model. While this isn’t Ford’s all-new design language (which will debut in several years), it is certainly a move in the right direction.

Although previous prototypes have been heavily clad in camouflage, an earlier image leak and our artist’s illustration show what the production Taurus will look like. The basic three-bar grille remains, but it has been grafted onto a trapezoidal opening. A similarly shaped inverted air intake sits below the grille. The headlights have some detailing similar to other American Ford products, but their shape is decidedly European.

The latest shots are of the hi-po model and are packing the 3.5L, twin turbo V6. We hear it should be good for around 350hp. It will be AWD only and will have Ford’s new SR1 (Shock Ratio 1) suspension used in the Lincoln MKS. Expect some special chrome accents on the front end, twin pipes out back and 20 inch wheels on all four corners.

While some think this super-sedan will wear the “SHO” nameplate, a few well-placed sources have told us to expect a euro-inspired “ST” badge. We should know for sure in early 2009.

While this prototype still has a Lincoln steering wheel, the rest of the interior for the Ford appears to be unique when compared to the MKS. We can see several details including an engine start/stop button, Sirius satellite radio, heated seats and a Sony sound system. Chrome ringed gauges and air vents are also clearly visible.

Is it a groundbreaking design? Not especially. Will it allow Ford to compete effectively against its Asian competition? Absolutely — and that’s what counts.

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2010 Buick LaCrosse ... Buick Regal for China.

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Originally Posted by LeftLane News

Here it is, the last peek at the 2010 Buick LaCrosse before it takes the stage at the 2009 North American International Auto Show. The latest spy shots show the prototype with the Buick badge for the first time, and also give us a good look at the mid-sizer’s interior.

The sedan is expected to be sold in the United States and China, and was developed with both markets in mind. It might be badged Regal in China.
Buick is clearly stepping up its game when it comes to exterior design — and we hope driving dynamics and interior quality will be equally improved.

Buick has relocated its signature portholes from the front fender to the hood — a seemingly more functional location. Most of the other details follow Buick’s latest design language, including the ‘waterfall’ grille and smooth sculpted surfaces.

The concept’s interior will not be toned down at all for production, and our spy photos reflect this. As seen with our earlier spy photos of the Chevrolet Equinox’ interior, the LaCrosse will continue GM’s latest twin-pod gauge design.

Codenamed GMX353, the new LaCrosse will be the first car in the United States to ride on the new global front-wheel drive Epsilon II platform.

According to our sources, the new Buick will be assembled at GM’s Fairfax facility starting in February of 2009. The LaCrosse should hit dealer showrooms in mid-2009 as a 2010 model. LaCrosse annual production is expected to be in the 65,000 to 75,000 range.

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Interior shot of the Ford Taurus ... WITH LESS TELEPHONE POLE ACTION!

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Originally Posted by Advocate

Interior shot of the Ford Taurus ... WITH LESS TELEPHONE POLE ACTION!

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Props to Ford for producing a massive T shifter. Shift to D in EPIC fashion!

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Props to Ford for producing a massive T shifter. Shift to D in EPIC fashion!

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ENGAGE, NUMBER ONE!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...8&d=1229061035

i think this car is neat!

2010 Shelby Ford Mustang GT500

pretty sexay stuff

Yeah, that looks pretty badass. I especially love the blue.

And the start of the 2010 Detroit Auto show.

The ALL NEW AND I MEAN ALL NEW 2010 Cadillac SRX:

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Almost exactly a year after revealing the Provoq Concept, Cadillac is debuting the redesigned 2010 SRX wearing essentially the same suit of clothes. At that time, the Provoq was thought to be a preview of a new smaller crossover called the BRX, but Cadillac informed us last summer that the "BRX" was actually the all-new SRX.

We'll be seeing the new SRX in production form at the Detroit Auto Show, and while automakers often throw the term "all-new" around, in this case it really seems to apply. There is almost nothing carried over to this version of the SRX compared to the old one, although many of the greasy bits are shared with other GM vehicles. The biggest difference going from the Provoq concept to the production SRX is the powertrain. The Provoq used a Volt based E-Flex powertrain with a fuel cell range extender. The SRX is a far more conventional though fully modern luxury crossover.

When introducing the new SRX, Cadillac VP Mark McNabb stated, "Design is an initial product differentiator." Design is after all the first thing people notice about a new vehicle. Of course, a great design doesn't gaurantee a good vehicle awaits under the skin, but a bad design may result in people never discovering if the vehicle is any good at all. The new SRX takes the latest iteration of Cadillac's much lauded design language and applies it to a crossover that has a more aggressive SUV-like look than the wagon-shaped first generation SRX.

The most obvious visual difference between the Provoq and SRX is the grille. The "fuel cell powered" Provoq had thermostatically controlled shutters in the grille that were meant to open and close depending on the powertrain's cooling demands. The production SRX reverts to a more conventional setup similar to that of the current CTS and STS. The LED fog-lights in the lower front corners have also been replaced by more conventional looking units.

One interesting detail that Cadillac design chief Clay Dean pointed out on the SRX is its new three-dimensional wreath and crest logo. The elements in the crest have been layered at different depths to give it more presence. The logo is part of the whole aesthetic that consists of "layers of texture" and "vertical and horizontal creases" leading to what Dean dubbed "bold design and drama." Dean also told the gathering that "pure luxury is about genuineness." It remains to be seen how genuine the SRX is, but it certainly looks like a contemporary Cadillac and fits in with the CTS family.

Virtually the only design elements that have changed from the Provoq are the larger side view mirrors, more conventional door handles and tail-pipes that have replaced the water exhaust slots on the Provoq.

On the inside, the concept's design is again carried over virtually unchanged. Some of the shinier metallic trim bits have been replaced by similar satin finish parts on the pre-production example we were shown, while others are now finished in wood. The SRX also gets a similar pop-up navigation screen to the unit in the new CTS. Like the CTS-V, the SRX gets an electronic parking brake that is activated by a switch on the console to the left of the shift lever. The EPB frees up space in the footwell that would otherwise be occupied by a foot activated unit.

One design element that's echoed both inside and out is a longitudinal crease running the length of the body work and center stack. This is a design element that is turning up more and more on luxury vehicles from various manufacturers, including Acura. Dean described it as similar to the crease one finds in a pair of tailored trousers that provides a more upscale look.

When we saw the Provoq and Saab 9-4X concepts that share their platforms at the last Detroit Auto Show, most assumed that both vehicles rode on the same Theta architecture as the similarly sized Saturn Vue and Chevy Equinox. Saab and Cadillac officials, however, repeatedly told us this was incorrect but declined to be more specific. We know now that this premium crossover architecture is actually a blend of components and systems from the Theta platform and new Epsilon II architecture that is used for the Opel Insignia.

The original SRX was based on the same Sigma platform as the CTS, meaning it had rear- or all-wheel-drive configurations. This new Theta-based architecture gets front-wheel-drive for base models and all-wheel drive is optional. The AWD variant uses a Haldex system to apportion drive torque to the rear axle as needed. An electronic limited slip differential distributes the torque based on slip and stability control requirements. The eLSD can send up to 100% of the drive torque to whichever wheel has the most traction or send torque to whichever side is needed to help the vehicle follow the driver's intended trajectory. If all of that sounds familiar, it should. This is essentially the cross-wheel-drive system found on the Saab Turbo-X.

That's not all that the new SRX gets from the sporting Saab. The SRX also gets a choice of two V6 engines, both derivatives of the high feature V6 family that has been available here in 3.6L form for several years. The new base engine is a 3.0L version with direct injection that will be installed in several GM platforms this year, including the Chevy Equinox. In the Cadillac, the 3.0L is rated at 260 hp (5 hp more than the Chevy CUV) and 221 lb-ft of torque. The 3.0L essentially matches the power of the older port-injected 3.6L, although it falls short on torque compared to the 254 lb-ft of the larger engine.

Those craving more torque will want the optional engine, a 2.8L V6 with a turbocharger putting out 300 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque. This is essentially the same engine from the Saab Turbo-X and the first turbocharged engine ever offered in a North American market Cadillac. Both engines are mated to separate 6-speed automatic transmissions. The 3.0L is paired wih the same 6T70 unit used with the 3.6L in other GM products, while the 2.8L is bolted to an Aisin Warner unit.

The body of the new SRX is independently suspended at all four corners with struts in the front and a multi-link layout in the rear, while the dampers also have real-time variable rate control. Tractive and cornering forces are applied with either 18-inch or 20-inch wheels and tires. The front-wheel-drive version weighs in at relatively porky 4,300 lbs and all-wheel drive adds about 150 lbs.

The SRX will be offered at launch in front- or all-wheel-drive with conventional drive-trains only. However, chief engineer Lyndon Schnieder told us that "there is no architectural reason the Two-Mode hybrid won't fit." Since the SRX is aimed directly at the Lexus RX350 and Toyota also offers the hybrid RX450h, this would seem to be a logical next step. Since Cadillacs already command a price premium, the extra cost of the hybrid would be more palatable.

We won't know for several more months how the driving experience of the new 2010 Cadillac SRX compares to competitors like the Lexus RX or Acura MDX. The latter should provide an interesting comparison with its Super Handling-All Wheel Drive pitted against the Haldex system in the Cadillac. One thing is certain, the SRX is a far more attractive and well proportioned piece than its predecessor and easily better looking than the rather bland looking new RX.

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what do you guys think of BMW 3 series?

I'm thinking about getting this

http://www.blackmonofcorinth.com/Veh...tButton=Search

Go earlier the iDrive sucks and made the BMW worthless.

2000 3 Series or earlier; cheaper, better, and the car will show you why everyone wanted to own a Beemer.

To clarify the iDrive did not actually control the suspension and traction, but after the 2001 model year BMW started to tinker with that and make everything more computer controlled. Thus taking away from the Ultimate Driving experience. The cars with the first iDrive mechanism, its used for climate and audio controls, were also the ones that BMW started to take away driver control (aka computer assisted steering).

The 3-series is a good car. Of that generation, I've driven the 330Ci (the coupe). They're not blazingly fast, but they are well-rounded comfortable, and classy cars. As with most European cars, get a pre purchase inspection by a good mechanic if you are seriously considering it. Even if it is out of your own pocket, a bad inspection will have saved you a lot of money in the long run. The manual that the 3-series gets is buttery smooth, but the auto should still be a competent performer.

Edit: And the 3-Series didn't get I-drive until '05 or so.

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Go earlier the iDrive sucks and made the BMW worthless.

2000 3 Series or earlier; cheaper, better, and the car will show you why everyone wanted to own a Beemer.

To clarify the iDrive did not actually control the suspension and traction, but after the 2001 model year BMW started to tinker with that and make everything more computer controlled. Thus taking away from the Ultimate Driving experience. The cars with the first iDrive mechanism, its used for climate and audio controls, were also the ones that BMW started to take away driver control.

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iDrive isn't on every BMW, and it's not on the one IP linked to.

damn you guys ... wait till I'm done editting.

Not sure I'd want a BMW with 100k+ miles on it. They are great cars, for the first owner.

I like the new Volvo XC60 more than that SRX

I really wish I could just get a new 97 ford probe. It has awesome trunk space. I can get a 6 x 10 speaker cab in there.

get a used RSX. Body style like the Probe and it will last you forever.

My moms RSX has treated her well. When she isn't getting speeding tickets anyway.

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what do you guys think of BMW 3 series?

I'm thinking about getting this

http://www.blackmonofcorinth.com/Veh...tButton=Search

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Just be aware that any repair on a BMW is a prime example of wallet rape.

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I really wish I could just get a new 97 ford probe. It has awesome trunk space. I can get a 6 x 10 speaker cab in there.

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OMG someone brought up Probes YAY!

The last gen Mercury Cougar was based on what was supposed to be a 3rd Gen Probe (or so I've heard) and yes the Probe was an excellent machine. KLZE swaps FTW. I had a 97 Probe myself and shit I loved the ride, too bad it had to go. Although to this date my Probe gave me more headaches than anything else I've ever owned ... fucking Mazda. But God almighty did it handle.

Also, every one that isn't LOADED should avoid any German car except maybe Volkswagen because you really take it hard on depreciation if they're new, or parts and repairs if they're old. Either way you're paying shit loads of cash for very little returns (unless you're a badge whore or want dumb hos to think you're rich or hot). Everything about the modern German car that isn't driving is a hassle.

You're wrong about depreciation on German cars. VW and BMW specifically are some of the lowest. For 2008 VW was #1 as a brand. BMW is also rated in the top, and the Mini has been the #1 model on several occasions. The pitfalls are reliability and cost of parts/repairs.

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You're wrong about depreciation on German cars. VW and BMW specifically are some of the lowest. For 2008 VW was #1 as a brand. BMW is also rated in the top, and the Mini has been the #1 model on several occasions. The pitfalls are reliability and cost of parts/repairs.

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Ok so maybe you won't take it in the teeth on depreciation percentage wise (which is usually the measuring stick) but if I buy a Focus I can lose 50% of its value before we start talking real money. For 50k plus car even a 10~15% loss is substantial to ordinary person. This does of course change with vehicle swapping (which is getting hard to do these days) but if you're not careful you could wind up quite upside down on a new one.

Speaking of German cars and depreciation, I would love to have a 540i with the six speed manual.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/bmw/image...-house-big.jpg

And here's one with 75k miles for $12.5. Sooo much car for the money

But Buttcheeks, I would also look at the WRX in that price range. A friend of mine just got a 2002 wagon with the 5-speed for about $11.1 with less than 30k miles. It looks like it just came off the showroom floor. Here's the thread.

Alright, I need some people's opinions that have experience in leases.

I currently have a 01 mustang that I can't stand to have in the winter anymore. I have a work van that I was driving, but the company told me if I want to take the company work vehicle home. It will cost me $100 a month.

I've been thinking of getting a newer car with better gas mileage anyway. I'm looking at the '09 Lincoln MKZ, but I'm not sure if I want to lease or buy. Its between a Dodge Charger RT or the MKZ. Since the winter's are hell in Illinois and they don't plow for shit. I'm pretty much settled on the MKZ just not sure if I should lease or buy.

Feed me some info.

Buy never lease. I think we've had this discussion before in this thread or the older one.

Why the MKZ ... just curious. Is it because you like Lincoln's? Or is it the styling?

If it's because you like the brand, may I suggest the Mazda CX9/Volvo S80/Ford Taurus ... since all four of them are based off of the Volvo S80 platform.

It's a combination of both. I like the styling and cause its a lincoln.

I test drove the Milan yesterday since the initial dealer I went to didn't have a MKZ in stock. I actually like it a lot minus the way I sit in it. I'm 6'5 so my leg digs into the dash more than I would like, cause it hits right at the knee. I haven't sat in the Fusion yet either. They had me sit in a taurus but I fit even worse in there due to the center console.

The MKS was perfect, but outta my price range. I'm hoping that the MKZ will fit much like the MKS.

I generally like Ford products and not sure how the mazda's are. I will probably take a look at them as well.

Check back in the Fall, when the Taurus inside and out is redone ... and if you go back a page you can see the interior of the Taurus is basically a MKZ.

Also, if you are 6'5" get a Crossover. Like the Ford Edge/Mazda CX-7. Which is I think based off of the MKS ... or is it the other way around. I do know they are redoinig the Taurus and they are basing it off of the MKZ.

Also: / means same platform.

At this point, I don't believe that waiting till fall is an option. I'm not a big fan of cross overs. I prefer cars.

I appreciate the suggestions. The Mazda 6 sports look nice and have decent horsepower @ 272hp. I don't really want to give up my mustang but there is no way to make those things winter maneuverable, unless I put tire chains on it.

Lincoln's naming scheme is so stupid. Which one is the MKZ? Is that the Fusion, Taurus, or Edge? I guess money isn't an issue if you want the Lincoln version, but they don't really add anything that compelling to the Ford model imo. You don't need to get a new car though, just buy snow tires if snow is the real issue. Snow tires >>>>>>> all seasons.

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Its between a Dodge Charger RT or the MKZ. Since the winter's are hell in Illinois and they don't plow for shit. I'm pretty much settled on the MKZ just not sure if I should lease or buy.

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A Charger is rear-wheel-drive like your Mustang and likely won't be any better in the snow.

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OMG someone brought up Probes YAY!

The last gen Mercury Cougar was based on what was supposed to be a 3rd Gen Probe (or so I've heard) and yes the Probe was an excellent machine. KLZE swaps FTW. I had a 97 Probe myself and shit I loved the ride, too bad it had to go. Although to this date my Probe gave me more headaches than anything else I've ever owned ... fucking Mazda. But God almighty did it handle.

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yeah, I love the handling. Very smooth and tight.

you know any sites about the car?

I'm waiting for mine to die at this point. It has 150,000 miles on it. And the overdrive light likes to blink at me when I drive it for 2 hours and go up a hill.

For college though, its still good. Only gripes is the seat is a little stiff after 5+ hours of driving and no damn cup holder.



If it was up to me, I'd dump 3 thousand in the car and rebuild it.

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A Charger is rear-wheel-drive like your Mustang and likely won't be any better in the snow.

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Yeah but if I go the charger route, I would get the AWD version. It would take a massive hit on the MPG but it wouldn't be any worse than the mustang.

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yeah, I love the handling. Very smooth and tight.

you know any sites about the car?

I'm waiting for mine to die at this point. It has 150,000 miles on it. And the overdrive light likes to blink at me when I drive it for 2 hours and go up a hill.

For college though, its still good. Only gripes is the seat is a little stiff after 5+ hours of driving and no damn cup holder.



If it was up to me, I'd dump 3 thousand in the car and rebuild it.

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ARRRRGGGGGG NO FUCKING CUP HOLDERS!!!! GOD DAMN THAT WAS IRRITATING!!!!!!

Other than that a remarkable car. Insane SHAME it was canned. Could have given Ford much better sport compact cred (although honestly the segment is rather small now so maybe they were right to can it). Should have brought over the damn KLZE and rocked the comp. Oh well, that's life.

Oh, BTW

http://www.performanceprobe.com/forum/index.php

I got a ride in an Evo IX today. First time I've been in one. It was fast. The dude blasted down the business park road we work on and I'm pretty sure we hit triple digits on the way to lunch. It was pretty rad.

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ARRRRGGGGGG NO FUCKING CUP HOLDERS!!!!

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http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1231574573

I'm giddy today. My friend's home garage got its lift finally installed this weekend.

Why does that make me happy?

I CAN FUCKING FINISH MY GODDAMN DAYTONA NOW!!!!! Woooo!.

After 6 months of owning my Camry, it has been fully paid off.

Congrats on that man, I just paid off mine too.

Chrysler shows signs of life! The 200c actually looks really good.

WTG Chrysler!

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Chrysler shows signs of life! The 200c actually looks really good.

WTG Chrysler!

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See, when you get rid of those meddling Germans, what can happen?

I'm holding out hope, that the company can hold it together for the next few lean years, and we can see what they can really do.

Here's a kooky idea....Bring back the damn Neon. Call it something else if you must. Damnit, you have the rights to use the entire Mitsubishi Lancer platform, do something with it.

They won't.

Chrysler needs a GOD DAMN miracle. Even if their cars came with unlimited blowjobs for the first 5 yrs/50k people would still not buy them. The media has all but literally burnt their factories to the ground.

People do NOT care anymore about the domestics and their plight, self afflicted or not. Reading blog comments about the new Taurus has me convinced that even if the big three make a car with Rolls interior, Ferrari performance, F150 capability, Prius fuel economy, Volvo safety and Benze gadgets, and Civic resale, for stripped Versa pricing people still won't care because they had a shitty Vega or Tempo or Aspire 10 or more years ago.

And the NEW 2010 Ford Taurus:

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Interior of the 2010 Ford Taurus.

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What kind of engine does the 200c have? Looks on the heavy side.

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What kind of engine does the 200c have? Looks on the heavy side.

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They introduced it as an EV concept, but they said it can fit that power train or the next gen phoenix v6s. I'm guessing they only announced it as an EV to play up the green theme that the autoshow is hyping. The concept is rwd but if produced it'd probably go on a fwd platform.

cocko integra

lol!

My stang rides off into the sunset. :cry:

'08 Black Lincoln MKZ takes its place. At this point the ride isn't even compareable, not like I expected it to. The performance is really nice. And people rag on it, but honestly the Sync system is very nice. It can be done similarly in other fashions with current head units but the "ding" makes me giddy everytime I hear it.

Nothing like cruising and saying "artist Michael Jackson" and having Smooth Criminal hit.

taken from the Car Lounge:

VW Sues Lambo Orange County Dealership for stealing 12 mil

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Last November, Lamborghini Orange County, formerly the world's largest Lambo dealer, shuttered its doors for good. The reason for the abrupt closing has finally come to light thanks to freshly released court documents from a lawsuit where Volkswagen accuses the dealership of pilfering $12 million in just eight days. According to Lamborghini's corporate overlord, Volkswagen, the Keuylian family sold 54 cars at rock-bottom prices and summarily ran off with the money without paying off its creditors. If true, that leaves VW high and dry, as the dealership had financed the high-end cars through VW Credit.

Two more lawsuits have been filed against the Keuylians by outside parties, claiming that they too are owed money from the erstwhile dealership. We've got to wonder how the dealership managed to fly under the radar while selling off seven cars per day over an eight day period. It's too early to know how this sordid tale will play out, but we don't see it ending well.

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Re: 200C and Taurus

Oh look a Camry. AND ANOTHER CAMRY.

Are you going to call every family sedan a Camry? Even if it's not your thing, they look really great for their segment. What are you expecting?

(although I think the Taurus isn't going to make the splash they want, because it's too big/expensive to have that kind of impact.)

Interesting points in this article. Discuss!

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Sure the future looks bright, but not everything is great. In fact, during the inescapable 24 hour news cycle, many things get overrated. Too many things. And since I like the sound of my own thoughts I thought I'd make a list of those things.

I expect many of you to disagree with me on many of these, but remember, if you do, you're wrong.

The Dodge Challenger SRT-8
Not only is it too damn big, but a Shelby Mustang GT500 sucks its doors off.

Chip Foose
Enough with the two-tone and the billit. Talk about a one note somba. Time to overhaul your esthetic.

2009 Nissan GT-R
Too noisy. Too rough. Too fragile. Better not use the launch control.

Piloti Driving Shoes
Piloti must be Italian for Geek in the overpriced clown-booties.

The Toyota Prius
If any conventional car was that ugly, that uncomfortable and that rotten to drive it would have been a laughing stock.

The Tesla
Part car, part bullshit. Buying one seems to require a secret handshake, a briefcase full of cash and a pinky swear to never drive the car in public. I've seen one on the road and I live in the hybrid loving more money than brains club headquarters that is west Los Angeles. If they're selling these things like they say they are, where are they selling them, Ohio?

Small SUVs
Acura RDX, Infiniti EX35, VW Tiguan, etc. Who the hell buys a Sport Utility with absolutely no utility? There's more room in my sinus cavity than the new crop of cute utes.

2009 Lincoln MKS
Worst engine in its class. Would have been competitive during Clinton's second term.

Speed Channel
Too much NASCAR. Too much Pinks. Too much Wrecked. Not enough cool stuff.

2010 Ford Mustang
Second verse same as the first. Suddenly it's 2005.

Sync
Bong, play Britney. Bong, play Britney. Bong, play Britney.

Saturn Aura
So much better than the embarrassing Ion it replaced this average sedan was destined for overrated status.

Top Gear
Oops. My mistake. This should not be on the list. Top Gear really is that good.

Lexus IS-F
Fake tailpipes and suspension tuning endorsed by the American Chiropractic Association.

Honda Civic Si
Sinfully ugly. No torque. Battlestar Gallactica called and wants its dashboard back.

2009 Jaguar XF
Looks like a tarted up Lexus GS. It may be a needed new styling statement for the luxury car division of Tata Motors, but after the sexpot XK (also designed by Ian Callum) it's nothing short of a let down.

2009 Chevy Corvette
Fast? Yup. Affordable? Kinda. Plasticy? Oh yeah. Looks like it got rear ended by a semi? Twice.

Me
I'm not really as great as I say I am. Plus, my cottage cheese thighs could use a little sun.

Bob Lutz
He once told me the Saturn Ion was good. It wasn't.

Miles Per Gallon
In case you haven't noticed (and nobody has) gas is really cheap again. -- The Mechanic, Inside Line Contributor

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I agree the MKS Has an engine that doesn't match the car. Its a midsize car with a fucking Focus engine.

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Are you going to call every family sedan a Camry? Even if it's not your thing, they look really great for their segment. What are you expecting?

(although I think the Taurus isn't going to make the splash they want, because it's too big/expensive to have that kind of impact.)

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Look, I'm sorry but they look exactly like Camrys. I like some originality.

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Look, I'm sorry but they look exactly like Camrys. I like some originality.

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You can be sorry all you want but they do not look like Camrys. Camrys look like Camrys and nothing else save other Toyo shit looks like Camrys. This is a good thing as Toyota fucked up the Camry with its bloated looks.

Also, the MKS has a good engine. It will be even better when turboed.

I'm so entering for this.

Ford's giving out 100 Fiestas (for six months at least) before they release in the US for some marketing deal. I definitely want to drive one, especially since the application asks if you're comfortable driving a manual transmission. \m/

I'm really tempted to join you in entering.

That is a really cool promotion.

I was thinking of doing it too.

Especially after this ...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/T...sta_204097.htm

How NOT to deliver a Aston Martin Vantage.

lol

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How NOT to deliver a Aston Martin Vantage.

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It'll buff out.

Wow.. Now THAT'S a light frickin' engine.

EDIT: Okay, I am an idiot.. I didn't click on the 2nd pic and it looked like it was standing up on its own...

http://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/992727300.html

Best deals are on Craigslist that's for sure.

I'm going to hit up the North American International Auto Show this week and take tons of pictures.

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oh shit....i'd be pissed if i was taking delivery of that car. reminds me of this, but this didn't end in disaster:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ssia_55023.jpg

and a car carrier on fire....

lots of wrecked exotics:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com

Test drove the 2009 Audi A4 2.0T and had mixed feelings about it. I love how they changed the body and added the LED lights. But I'm just not completely sold on it. I still love how the BMW 3 Series drives, so I'm stuck between the 2 cars.

I'm also starting to consider the 2010 Camaro SS. The car just seems too good to be true. 400hp for 6-speed automatic and the car costs about the same as the the 211hp Audi A4. The price just seems too cheap for the car.

In any case, I should have a new car by next week, unless I got with the Camaro.

Does the Camaro have a date yet? That shit is taking forever to hit the street, I really want to check it out in person.

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Does the Camaro have a date yet? That shit is taking forever to hit the street, I really want to check it out in person.

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Lets hope GM can squeeze a few out the door before they fall apart.

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I'm also starting to consider the 2010 Camaro SS. The car just seems too good to be true. 400hp for 6-speed automatic and the car costs about the same as the the 211hp Audi A4. The price just seems too cheap for the car.

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The car's weight is the problem. Sure its 400 hp, but its so heavy that it feels like 235hp.

The canceled Z28 would have had more power and that power would have compensated for the weight.

No one posted about the agreement between Fiat and Chrysler yet? 500s for everyone!

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The car's weight is the problem. Sure its 400 hp, but its so heavy that it feels like 235hp.

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Uhh, not many 235 hp cars that're as quick as the Camaro will be. 400+ lb/ft is awesome in a 3,800 lb car (ask me how I know).

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No one posted about the agreement between Fiat and Chrysler yet? 500s for everyone!

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Yesssssss. Too bad (for Fiat) the Ford Fiesta is coming Stateside. How is Italian car reliability these days?

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Yesssssss. Too bad (for Fiat) the Ford Fiesta is coming Stateside. How is Italian car reliability these days?

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Probably decent. But quality doesn't seem to matter that much to the Euro crowd.

what does it mean when you turn your car off and it sputters on a little bit (like 4 seconds)

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what does it mean when you turn your car off and it sputters on a little bit (like 4 seconds)

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Are you running low octane gas? Try running 91 octane (premium) gas and see if it helps.

(P.S. Did you buy that BMW?)

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what does it mean when you turn your car off and it sputters on a little bit (like 4 seconds)

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Its called "dieseling" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieseling on an EFI car its usually the sign of a leaky fuel injector.