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I never understood the logic behind "not letting calls determine the outcome of the game."

If there's a foul, and it gets called, the call isn't what decides the game, the foul is; the call is only a result of the foul.

The times where a foul was actually wrongly called in the final minutes of a game are extremely rare. The only recent incidents I remember are the Villanova/Georgetown (foul on the sideline 70 feet away from the basket with less then a second left) and Stanford/UCLA (foul called on an obviously clean block) games last year.

The times when fouls occurred and weren't called are like half of all close games, it seems like.

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Originally Posted by wEEman33

I never understood the logic behind "not letting calls determine the outcome of the game."

If there's a foul, and it gets called, the call isn't what decides the game, the foul is; the call is only a result of the foul.

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I'm not saying I support the idea, but I understand the reasoning. Unless the foul is totally blatant, fouls are pretty much subjective. A foul to one person may not be a foul to another. Therefore, to call a potential game-determining foul at the last second does put the game in the hands of the refs. The refs aren't the ones playing the game, so they don't want to be the ones deciding it.

The Spurs didn't lose because of that no-call. They lost because they played like shit the other 47 minutes 58 seconds. That end foul should not have been called just as it wasn't. As bad as they played, they still had every opportunity before that to win that game and failed each time to capitalize. They deserved to lose.

A foul is a foul. A game can't be decided a foul unless it's blatant, Spurs deserving to lose, etc., is all irrelevant. Barry got fouled. End of story.

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Originally Posted by aren

A foul is a foul. A game can't be decided a foul unless it's blatant, Spurs deserving to lose, etc., is all irrelevant. Barry got fouled. End of story.

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Barry faked Fisher into the air, bounced the ball once and drove his shoulder into him. We all know that it wasn't Fisher who created the foul in the first place. It's all open to interpretation, and the refs decided that Fisher didn't cause the foul, end of story.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Barry faked Fisher into the air, bounced the ball once and drove his shoulder into him. We all know that it wasn't Fisher who created the foul in the first place. It's all open to interpretation, and the refs decided that Fisher didn't cause the foul, end of story.

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According to Greg Anthony, if you really want to get technical with that play, the rule book would have that as an offensive foul against Barry for lowering his shoulder into Fisher. So you're right that it's open to interpretation. That's why the refs don't want to make those calls at the end of games.

Kobe and Ginobili fake you into the air 200 times a game and jump into you for the foul.

Watch NBA, don't read about it on internets.

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Originally Posted by gamevet

Barry faked Fisher into the air, bounced the ball once and drove his shoulder into him. We all know that it wasn't Fisher who created the foul in the first place. It's all open to interpretation, and the refs decided that Fisher didn't cause the foul, end of story.

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Um, right. You could twist any call around and say it's "open to interpretation." Fisher jumped into Barry. Doesn't matter how you look at it, Fisher went into the air and came down on Barry. Barry has the right of way so to speak. A defender can't just jump into a player.

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Originally Posted by Nash

According to Greg Anthony, if you really want to get technical with that play, the rule book would have that as an offensive foul against Barry for lowering his shoulder into Fisher. So you're right that it's open to interpretation. That's why the refs don't want to make those calls at the end of games.

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I stopped reading after you said Greg Anthony.

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Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?

Kobe and Ginobili fake you into the air 200 times a game and jump into you for the foul.

Watch NBA, don't read about it on internets.

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Truth.

Had this been Kobe at LA with Barry jumping into him with LA down by two, my money would be on him getting the call.

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Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?

Kobe and Ginobili fake you into the air 200 times a game and jump into you for the foul.

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Yeah, Barry would have gotten that call had he done just that.

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Originally Posted by aren

Had this been Kobe at LA with Barry jumping into him with LA down by two, my money would be on him getting the call.

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I highly doubt it. Kobe has seen his fair shares of non-calls at the end of games.

Arguing about fouls and "open interpretation" from referee makes me not want to watch NBA.