You get what you pay for. If you're someone who buys shit quality to save a buck, it's your fault.
You get what you pay for. If you're someone who buys shit quality to save a buck, it's your fault.
That's what gets me. It seems like these people would have gotten a piece of coal for 200 dollars over a PS3 or 360 just for the sake of it being cheap.
The real kicker is that it's the biggest ripoff in console gaming history, at least limiting it to the big players.
Nintendo still makes video games?
Nintendo makes cash cows.
I like Nintendo Wii.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Because it's "fun", right?
The Nintendo DS is fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
vidyogames am farty
It had a good run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
Only problem with this is you're getting shit quality whether you spend that buck or not. PC or gtfo these days imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Piece of coal, piece of shit. One's fossilized and the other's just expensive. If you're playing video games these days, it doesn't matter what you get, you're going to get ripped off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
I play Starcraft. Best $20 I've ever spent... three times.
edit: four times
Interesting...
Source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamespot
Yep, still waiting for those 3rd party publishers to make their big franchises exclusive on Wii. Honestly, I don't think GTA and the true Final Fantasy games are going anywhere anytime soon.
*EDIT* Wait! What am I saying! Just look at this incredible release list from now until February!
Nintendo's full list of Wii and DS releases follows:
Wii
Oct. 1: MLB Power Pros from 2k Sports
Oct. 1: Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire from D3Publisher
Oct. 2: Crash of the Titans from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Oct. 5: Balls of Fury from DSI Games
Oct. 8: Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast from Nintendo
Oct. 9: FIFA 08 from Electronic Arts
Oct. 9: Bleach: Shattered Blade from Sega
Oct. 9: Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal from WB Games
Oct. 10: Arctic Tale from DSI Games
Oct. 15: Sea Monsters from DSI Games
Oct. 16: Thrillville: Off the Rails from LucasArts
Oct. 22: EA Playground from Electronic Arts
Oct. 23: Backyard Football from Atari, Inc.
Oct. 23: The Sims 2: Castaway from Electronic Arts
Oct. 23: Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis from Rockstar Games
Oct. 23: The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Oct. 23: Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution from Tomy Corporation
Oct. 25: M&M's Kart Racing from DSI Games
Oct. 28: Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock from Activision
Oct. 29: Battalion Wars 2 from Nintendo
Oct. 30: Ben 10: Protector of Earth from D3Publisher
Oct. 30: Showtime Championship Boxing from DSI Games
Oct. 30: Need For Speed Prostreet from Electronic Arts
Oct. 30: The Simpsons from Electronic Arts
Oct. 31: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar Games
October: Spider-Man: Friend or Foe from Activision
October: Bee Movie Game from Activision
October: Tony Hawk's Proving Ground from Activision
October: Ultimate Duck Hunting from Detn8 Games Ltd.
October: Mercury Meltdown Revolution from Ignition Entertainment
October: Namco Museum Remix from Namco Bandai Games America
October: Code Lyoko: Quest for Infinity from the Game Factory
October: Avatar: the Last Airbender - the Burning Earth from THQ
October: Bratz: the Movie from THQ
October: Cars: Mater-National from THQ
October: Nicktoons: Attack of the Toybots from THQ
October: Spongebob's Atlantis Squarepantis from THQ
Nov. 5: Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn from Nintendo
Nov. 6: Dance Dance Revolution Hottest Party from Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
Nov. 6: Lego Star Wars: the Complete Saga from LucasArts
Nov. 6: Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games from Sega
Nov. 12: Super Mario Galaxy from Nintendo
Nov. 13: Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 13: Godzilla Unleashed from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 13: Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Anniversary from Eidos, Inc.
Nov. 13: Blocks from Electronic Arts
Nov. 13: Medal of Honor Heroes 2 from Electronic Arts
Nov. 13: Luxor: Pharaoh's Challenge from Mumbojumbo
Nov. 13: Geometry Wars: Galaxies from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Nov. 19: Link's Crossbow Training (Packaged with Wii Zapper) from Nintendo
Nov. 19: Smarty Pants from Electronic Arts
Nov. 20: Jenga World Tour from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 20: Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords from D3Publisher of America
November: Trauma Center: New Blood from Atlus USA
November: Star Trek: Conquest from Bethesda Softworks
November: Disney Princess: Enchanted Journey from Disney Interactive Studios
November: Hannah Montana: Spotlight World Tour from Disney Interactive Studios
November: High School Musical: Sing It from Disney Interactive Studios
November: Garfield Gets Real from DSI Games
November: Furu Furu Park from Majesco Entertainment
November: AMF Bowling: Pinbusters! from Mud Duck Games
November: Ghost Squad from Sega
November: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2008 from THQ
November: Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 from Ubisoft
November: CSI: Hard Evidence from Ubisoft
November: My Word Coach from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Catz 2 (Name Not Final) from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Dogz 2 (Name Not Final) from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Horsez 2 (Name Not Final) from Ubisoft
November: Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 from Ubisoft
Dec. 4: Alvin and the Chipmunks from Brash Entertainment
Dec. 4: The Golden Compass from Sega
December: MX vs. ATV Untamed from THQ
December: Super Swing Golf Season 2 from Tecmo, Inc.
December: Rygar: the Battle of Argus from Tecmo, Inc.
December: Cranium: Kabookii from Ubisoft
December: Nitrobike from Ubisoft
Holiday 2007: NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams from Sega
Winter '07: Soul Calibur Legends from Namco Bandai Games America
Jan. 21: Endless Ocean from Nintendo
Feb. 10: Super Smash Bros. Brawl from Nintendo
Feb. 15: Yamaha Supercross from DSI Games
Feb. 19: Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity from Sega
February: No More Heroes from Ubisoft
February: Wild Petz Tigerz from Ubisoft
March: Obscure: The Aftermath from Ignition Entertainment
Q1: Luxor 3 from Mumbojumbo
Q1: One Piece: Unlimited Adventure from Namco Bandai Games
America
Spring '08: Mario Kart Wii (Name Not Final) from Nintendo
Source.
Who gives a shit? GTA sucks and Crystal Chronicles(s) look better than XIII right now.Quote:
Yep, still waiting for those 3rd party publishers to make their big franchises exclusive on Wii. Honestly, I don't think GTA and the true Final Fantasy games are going anywhere anytime soon.
Anyway, post a list from any system right now and pick 5 games from now til whenever that aren't shitty.
Back in my day we played Vidyeh games in a ar-cade. You yunguns and your online and your Wees. Cant do a Ragin Demon for your life.
Lols.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
These are the ones I'm personally interested in for the 360 between October and March.Quote:
Anyway, post a list from any system right now and pick 5 games from now til whenever that aren't shitty.
- Project Gotham Racing 4
- Orange Box
- Mass Effect
- GTA 4
- Saints Row 2
- Mercenaries 2
- Assassins Creed
- Devil May Cry 4
- Lost Odyssey
- Last Remnant
- Army of Two
- Kain & Lynch: Dead Men
- Sega Rally Revo
- Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
- Resident Evil 5
- Soul Calibur 4
- Unreal Tournament 3
- Ace Combat 6
- Kingdome Under Fire: Circle of Doom
- Ninja Gaiden 2
- Infinite Undiscovery
- Halo Wars
- Dark Sector
Notice something that every game on this list has in common? None of them are coming to the Wii.
You sure those are due by March? I was thinking they were all summer or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
A few might be just "2008," so it's possible. The point is that there are still zero major 3rd party exclusives for the Wii, a year after launch, the holiday line up announced, and with sales going through the roof. If it hasn't happened by now, it's probably not going to happen any time soon, if ever. The only 3rd party games you're going to see on the Wii are those that are multi-platform or cater to people under age 12.
Lost Odyssey is still due in November, as far as I know. As for the others, yeah, probably mid/late 2008 releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gas
I am very disappointed with 3rd party output on the Wii. I really thought it would mirror DS and some cool 3rd party games would be released. Too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
So you want it to have the same Castlevania twice, the same Phoenix Wright three times, and nothing else?
I liked Meteos (I know your disdain toward puzzle games), Animal Crossing DS, Lost in Blue, Trauma Center, Rocket Slime, Elite Beat Agent, Daigasso Band Brothers, FF3, Bleach, Metroid Pinball. Some other games I am pretty sure I like are Touch Detective, Hotel Dusk, Luminous Arc, Etrian Odyssey, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Any of these DS games interest me more than the entire Wii library thus far. Lazy ports and pointless minigames are the norm for 3rd parties Wii offerings.
You've been gaming long enough to know not to have any expectations of acceptable 3rd party output. Why you are disappointed is what is surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
I am resigned to the good 2-3 games a year that may become available on the Wii. Nintendo wanted to maintain this range so they decided to push back Smash Bros Brawl just to make sure.
You just named a bunch of mostly Nintendo games though, which essentially proves my point.
Only 4 of the 14 games I listed are published by Nintendo.
I thought DS was gimmicky, but it surprised me with a number of games I wanted to play. Thought Wii would be similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
I like Nintendo and Capcom.
They make fun games.
I really want to try the new Camelot golf game for the Nintendo wii!
See spot.
See spot run.
Run Spot, run.
Buy Victorious Boxers Revolution and Trauma Center New Blood then. That's two more 3rd party Wii games than I thought I'd be buying all year. As far as I am concerned, Nintendo is outperforming its own unique benchmark in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
VBR could be good, but I have my reservations (not to mention, spoiled by VB2's $10 price tag). I am looking at Ghost Squad, please Nintendo/Sega (gulp) God, let it be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
VBR got beat up in EGM. They said it fails to recognize punches too often.
That's disappointing but I'll wait to read more feedback. Was there any mention of being able to play without having to use the Wii-mote sensor controls? Naturally that's the main draw for this type of game, but the GBA game is the closest thing I've played to Punch-Out so if one could use the CC for VBR, it may salvage that complaint.
It was a short blurb back in the section where they do impressions of games that missed the full review cut-off. I don't recall anything about alternate control schemes.
It's hard to go wrong with a Sega lightgun game, so it all falls down to the wiimote and how much/how little it will blow.Quote:
I am looking at Ghost Squad, please Nintendo/Sega (gulp) God, let it be good.
Considering Time Crisis 4 comes out the same day, Ghost Squad is a tough sale.
Kinda what I was afraid of (same thing with Wii Boxing). At least it has the traditional control but then it is kinda pointless and I would just play VB2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
LOL@WiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I notice that i don't give a shit about anything besides Orange Box and possibly mass effect, maybe RE5. Besides that they're all big games that are pretty faceless. ): i miss platformers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
You said pick games that aren't shitty, not to pick games that Finch cares about. Difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
Oh, it does?Quote:
Considering Time Crisis 4 comes out the same day, Ghost Squad is a tough sale.
Serious LOL, then.
Games that Finch doesn't care about are shitty.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
TNL changes people.
TNL isn't that strong.
It must have been the poon.
If TNL could change everyone into Japanese women with short attention spans and a hatred for properly utilizing the Internet, we'd love the Wii.Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass
Tommy Tallarico
Stick to thought bubbles, plx.
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Originally Posted by Compass
I see what you did there.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...1&limitstart=1
i didnt know yoshi worked for next-gen.bizQuote:
Thinking about the possibilities, it's kind of mildly hilarious how easily Nintendo was able to play the entire world like an accordion -- they've set us back a generation, basically, and no one minds. I don't even mind, honestly. They've made us think that the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 might be too ahead of their own time, and here we are thinking, man, the Wii would be great if it had a hard drive and HD support.
a lot more quotable ranting in the article
He's right though. I mean, in a way. Maybe Microsoft and Sony WERE pushing the market where it shouldn't be going -- higher end and maybe they were using technology too new and expensive that the returns seen were too slim and making the market way too hostile to innovation.
But there's no denying that Nintendo's Wii hurts the hardware aspect of the gaming industry. People are settling for old graphics over newer gameplay even in a huge drought of fresh new titles. But that's the market. Nintendo didn't force anyone to buy their stuff, they just capitalized on the mistakes the others made in assuming what people wanted.
The PS1 sold to the large userbase because it was accessible to everyone with a massive quantity of accessible games. The PS2 and now the PS3 have slowly taken a step away from that in favor of servicing the hardcore sector.
Yeah, the 110+ million PS2s out there really missed the market sweet spot.
lol I would never say that I don't mind. I still want a new $500 bleeding edge console every two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Ri
If Sony really built such an amazing brand in the Playstation the PS3 should be flying off of store shelves. The PS2 was hyped, initially, because of how much business the PS1 did. Maybe it's because they tried to move the market too fast and pushed technology too far and to more expensive pastures when the consumer base wasn't ready to pay that. Something's gone wrong for Sony so far this gen.
The PS3 is actually selling pretty well from a historical point of view. It's just the Wii is selling ridiculously well, thanks to all the "casuals" who are ruining our hobby.
What do you make of all of the developers who are "shifting focus" to the Wii? That's going to hurt Sony and Microsoft in the long run.
Name some.
Melf made a great point in either this thread or another. We keep hearing about all this Wii support, but where is it?
We've seen the DS steal franchises, but not the Wii. Every good, non-Nintendo console series is on the 360, PS3, or both. I don't see Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Mercenaries, Grand Theft Auto, or a new numbered Resident Evil on the Wii.
Companies will put shitty cash runs on the Wii to take advantage of its stupid, female-laden (department of redundancy department) user base, but they're not putting the franchises that matter there.
One more factor is that if people are buying the Wii because it's cheap, that means they'll buy less games too. I'd rather sell 10 games a year to 100,000 people than 1 game a year to 500,000.
Technically they're buying more games, just all Nintendo's. I don't think the Wii is healthy for the kind of industry I personally want to see. But I place blame on Microsoft and Sony for not capitalizing or atleast trying to compete in some way with this new "idea". Six-axis is all we got and it sucks.
The Wii hasn't even been out for a year. I don't think it has staying power. It'll do great for one more Christmas. I don't buy that it will still be leading the pack by the end of 2008, let alone when new consoles come around in 2011 or so.
We'll see. I don't have the kind of faith you do in consumer competancy.
I don't know anyone who has a Wii and actively plays it. The problem is that Nintendo's already made their money. I don't know anyone who has:
a) only a 360 and never plays it
b) only a PS3 and never plays it
c) owns both and never plays either
Actually, I've been making this point since last December. Back then, the excuse was "the Wii's success took publishers by surprise." After eight months, it shifted to "developers are only now beginning to shift support to the Wii. It takes time."Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Well, here were virtually a year later, and what's changed? Nothing. The reason I posted that Wii list is to support a point I made about 4 months ago about how you might be able to justify the Wii's lack of big name 3rd party software already released, but you can't justify the blaring lack of titles announced. Go check that list again, and you'll see that there are no 3rd party heavyweights on it at all. Final Fantasy? PS3 (and eventually 360, you'll see, as Square is VERY interested in improving its overseas sales, and the 360 outnumbers the PS3s sold by a hefty margin) gets a true sequel while the Wii gets a download-only sequel to an offshoot of the main series. Resident Evil? PS3 and 360 get a true sequel, while the Wii gets some light gun side story.
Heck, the news of Monster Hunter is direct proof of this! If development costs on the PS3 were as high as Capcom says, how come it's only moving a second rate franchise to the Wii? Last I heard, RE5 and DMC 4 are still coming to the PS3. Where's the major support? The only major franchise announced by anyone for the Wii is Guitar Hero 3, and it's coming to every system save the Game.Com.
Wiinies can trot out the latest NPD hardware numbers all they want, but I'll wait until they show me the big games. I know they'll spout the tried and true "but Naruto and Bratz are selling!" line, since they obviously have stock in Nintendo and the console's sales affects their portfolios, but I'm waiting for the big games. You know, the major franchises that make your jaw drop and make you say "fuck yeah, THIS is why I bought this console." So far, only Nintendo has had that affect on me with Wii games, and I didn't expect any less from them.
The sound of the 3rd party crickets chirping in Wii Land is deafening though.
You made a lot of good points, but this one I do need to disagree with. Monster Hunter may be second rate in the US, but I do believe it's Capcom's #1 franchise in Japan. It's a hell of a lot bigger the RE and DMC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melf
I was about to say the same thing. MH is far from "second rate" to Capcom.
Are you trying to convince us or yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Tommy Tallarico
Well, I guess I worded it poorly. I'm referring to brand name recognition worldwide, and DMC and RE are a lot more well known around the world, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
My first time in a Wii thread in months and it's still the same shit bickering.
Not like there's any games to play on it.
Well, yeah. Nothing has changed to make that stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
There's like 3 or 4. 5 if you like golf desu ne. 6 if never played RE4. 7 if you're a girl. My Sims is better than Animal Crossing. Like 50 or so if you don't have an Xbox or a usb adapter.
So the Wii is great for people who started gaming three weeks or less ago.
Well, that is its stated purpose.
It's a second... no, make that fourth rate game, regardless of how it sells anywhere.`:pQuote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I dunno, it has the best game of the year so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Shitstorm in 5... 4... 3...
Joke account imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I don't even have a guess as to what the hell he would be talking about.
My guess is Prime 3.
I suppose that's better than ZOE2, so he's getting less retarded.
This Wii shit is out of hand. I'll never buy another nintendo console ever again. They may do well this round, but casual fever will go to the wayside by 08. Yes they made their money, but they'll end up losing more than they gain in the end.
eh, MP3 left a bad taste in my mouth with how Halo-ed out it was. I want to play it, but id rather play everything else thats coming out righ tnow.
No, it doesn't have Portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Tommy Tallarico
Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Ri
I was just talking to Korly about that too. He said he also felt the same way when the PS2 wrecked the DC.
The official site said Victorious boxing revolution had 3 control schemes. One was the nunchuck mode where you have to punch. The second was a point and click type setup and the third was classic controller setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
If you're referring to the beginning of the game, I agree. It's awful. But get to Bryyo and the game gets great.Quote:
Originally Posted by B-Ri
Portal is up there, as well. It and Prime 3 are hands-down the best games so far this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Tallarico
Bioshock says hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Puzzle Quest is the game of the year. Everyone loses.
MP3 isn't even in the same league as Bioshock. Hell, it is not even the same fucking sport.
They could bundle Prime 3, Portal, Puzzle Quest, and a coupon for a free blowjob, and Bioshock would still be GotY.
Who is said free blowjob from?
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...4&d=1192339690Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Melf u a-hole, you just gave nightmare material right before I go to bed.
I just noticed when browsing Melf's sourced wii game list that its far from complete. So thinking that is all the games coming out for wii should be taken with a grain of salt. I was checking the list to see when Zack and Wiki was coming out and its not even on there. Checking Capcom's site says Oct 23rd. Also the mentioned Victorious Boxers: Revolution isn't on the list either. So I would guess there are probably more other games that haven't been announced or slipped thru the cracks of such a perfect list that details everything the wii has in store for the future. I'm sure some of the shump heads could probably add some of the shooters coming to the wii on that list too.
(edit)
Gamespot must hate Capcom cause they fail to list RE: Umbrella Chronicles and the Harvey Birdman game also. Well so much for that list that only points out lack luster games and a couple major titles and some I never heard of.
BioShock's damn cool, but it's full of problems and is nowhere as well developed and designed as Prime 3 (or Portal). Sorry gents.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonic6
That's OK, no one takes your opinions seriously anyway.
I hate to actively contradict the fact that I've placed your quote in my sig, but I'm going to have to here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Sony does not exist in a vacuum. That alone makes this statement false.
Bioshocks not the 10's everyone gave it but its better than Prime. I cant even finish Prime cause its kinda boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I noticed this, too. For all the talk of big name Capcom series', Zack & Wiki interests me more than them right now. It seems pretty close to a graphic adventure, a genre much more in need of high budget, quality games than most others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtificial
Besides the vita chamber flaw, I'm curious what all these other problems are. I took some issue with it being more simplistic than System Shock 2 but that's more a design decision than something they did wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
IAWTP. Bioshock is probably the most overrated game I've attempted to play since the original Halo was released. Bioshock is damn cool to look at, and it has a damn cool story as well. Actually having to play the game is a whole different story though. I think the developers just tried to implement too many different gameplay mechanics, and none of them were as polished as they could have been if they would have just focused in on making a few GREAT gameplay elements. So, everything in the gameplay department just comes off as half assed bullshit to me. Looking at the game from a pure shooter stand point, it doesn't do anything that Half Life 2 didn't do, ten times better, a few years earlier. Breakdown on the Xbox was a much better game too, but I'm not going into that one right now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
Meanwhile, Metroid Prime 3 also looks damn good in its own right, considering what an underpowered system its on. Plus, the gameplay mechanics are all well thought out and highly polished, as it carries on the tradition of being another perfectly designed Metroid game. So, I really do agree that MP3 is a better GAME than Bioshock. Bioshock works as a good interactive novel though...
Allright, so that's two people who are batshit insane on TNL then.