The Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread

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Originally Posted by Bailey

So, you think Hughes will impact the Yankee's more in the next 6 seasons than Santana? That's what you're saying right?

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No.

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Originally Posted by Bailey

Actually make that 8-10 years.

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In that case maybe.

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Originally Posted by Bailey

Proper Name: Johan Alexander Santana
Born: March 13, 1979

He's 28 going on 29 dude, he'll pitch into his late 30's at a higher level then hughes will ever obtain.

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How could you possibly know that? Last season Santana posted declining numbers. He led the league in homers allowed, his ERA jumped up over half a run, his WHIP and walks went up, and his most comparable pitcher according to BBRef comparability scores is Tim Hudson (a guy who peaked at 28 and hasn't been the same since).

You have no idea how Hughes' career will play out; he was the #1 pitching prospect in baseball going into this season and many scouts have compared him to a young Roger Clemens. He would have thrown a dominating no-hitter this year if he didn't pull a hammy and he was dominant in his postseason appearance.

I'm not saying Santana isn't better than Hughes; I'm saying I'd rather keep Hughes when in all likelihood Santana will be available as a free agent next year. I'm not willing to give up big prospects to essentially sign a player to a huge free agent contract a year in advance.

Fair enough, but just remember Zack Grienke my friend.

I'm going to channel my inner Joe Morgan here:

As a former pitcher at a higher level than Burg's little league team, I see two problems with Hughes, his delivery leaves him open to elbow issues and it remains to be seen how MLB will react to him now that he is a known entity that can be planned on. Never doubt what a professional and a stack of tapes can overcome.

If he puts up good numbers this year, Win= Yankee's, if Hughes blows the goat LOL=Yankee's. And I think you know how kind history has been Yankee pitchers.

However, obviously, the Twins are not sold on Hughes, or this deal would be done.

There's a pretty sizable chance that the Twins will wind up holding Johan until he hits free agency, which would leave the Yanks the frontrunners to get him next year.

And they really don't need him for 2007. I think they are most concerned with him going to the Sox, and vice versa for the Sox.

The Mets are probably the only team that needs him in 2007 that can retain him beyond. I'm starting to think that's why they may get him...because Omar will back up the truck.

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Originally Posted by Bailey

If he puts up good numbers this year, Win= Yankee's, if Hughes blows the goat LOL=Yankee's.

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Hughes will be 22 next year; his career value will not be determined by the 2008 season. I expect something along the lines of 16-8 3.75 ERA for Hughes next year followed by a huge 2009.

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Originally Posted by Bailey

And I think you know how kind history has been Yankee pitchers.

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Like Rivera and Pettitte?

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Originally Posted by Bailey

However, obviously, the Twins are not sold on Hughes, or this deal would be done.

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The Twins love Hughes, they want Kennedy too. Their new GM got greedy and couldn't pull the trigger when the best offer he was going to get was on the table. If the Yankees put the Hughes-Cabrera offer on the table again the Twins would take it. The best player the Twins will ever be offered for Santana is Hughes.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

And they really don't need him for 2007. I think they are most concerned with him going to the Sox, and vice versa for the Sox.

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The longer this drags out the more apparent it is that both the Yankees and Red Sox want to see Santana traded to the National League so they can forget about him and develop their young players. Santana's no-trade clause has made this essentially a Japanese free agent situation with a posting fee of 4 top prospects instead of money.

Hate to say it spo, the Red Sox's offer is WAY WAY better than yours.

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Originally Posted by Bailey

Hate to say it spo, the Red Sox's offer is WAY WAY better than yours.

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In what universe is John Lester and Coco Crisp better than Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera? Lester projects to be a 3rd or 4th starter if he can stay cancer-free and healthy (God willing) and Coco Crisp is an overpaid 4th outfielder. Hughes projects as an ace and Cabrera at 22 years old is already a better player than Crisp in every facet of the game. The Red Sox made a lowball teaser offer to try to keep the Twins from pulling the trigger on the Yankees offer. If the Red Sox hadn't gotten involved the Twins would have happily taken the Yankee offer and I'd be miserable watching Hughes win Cy Youngs for the Twins while Cabrera develops into a younger Torii Hunter with more plate discipline.

Lester has the same stuff as Hughes, like it or not.

LOL @ Melky, seriously man? Give me some of that kool-aid you guys drink up there. Considering he's one of two guys in that lineup that is actually pitched to, and STILL can't score runs, I'd suggest you find Chuck Knoblach.


The thought of having to live amongst the biggest fanbase of idiot Yankee frontrunners scares me. I mean all the Met's fans I meet are normal, cool guys in NY. I have yet to meet even 1 Yankee fan in NY who has any idea of what constitutes a real fan.

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Originally Posted by Yankee's fans

We'll just buy him

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Boston sucks, it was all A-Rod's fault we lost

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Hughes is going to pick up 21 cy youngs in a row, know how I know? Because another Yankee's fan told me

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You get tired of hearing this shit every damn minute in new york.

To further my point, here is Melky's awesome stat line

SPLIT G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
Season 150 545 66 149 24 8 8 73 13 .273 .327 .391


Wow, an OBS less .750, 66 whole runs, how did I ever think this guy sucked.

LOL. That's worse than Milledge, although with a lot more PT.

the other Players in the Sox offer are good, unlike the yanks. lowrie and masterson have value. i'd rather have hughes than lester though, give me thee guy that's not still trying to sort through control issues.