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Well that's why it's 76 and not a lot higher like many would like it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I think the sentimentality over a lot of so-so 16-bit RPGs is just as bullshit, frankly. It's not like FF6 is still an amazing game or anything.
Some people didn't have the mental acumen to read good books; for them there was FF7. Sure the themes and concepts it lifted were buried under a mountain of f-chan bullshit, but if you'd never read a book before the story would still probably be compelling.
FF6 is still a much better game the 7 though. I can still go back and enjoy 6 for what it is. 7 I actually tried to play again recently and after a couple of hours I couldn't take it anymore, it was just plain horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The only I can still enjoy about FF7 is Barret, though Aeris dying in primitive polygons is good for a laugh.
The main reason FF7 is beloved is because it's the first RPG a lot of people played. Everyone remembers their first RPG fondly. I know people that love Final Fantasy Mystic Quest because it was their first RPG.
If you look at the sales for Chrono Trigger and FF4, no one played those. They didn't sell 1/20th of what FF7 did. FF7 is loved because it seemed new to people since it was previously a nerdy hardcore genre.
So basically just enough criteria so that no one can ever figure out how they actually came up with the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Mystic Quest was a fun game dammit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Too many people are far too down on it.
I liked the music in FF4, 6, Secret of Mana, and Chrono Trigger. Quite a bit actually. In fact, most of the games I remeber from my childhood days are linked to thier music.
Dude, seriously, it practically plays itself. It's made for Japan's idea of the infantile American mind and it's just plain retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
It entertained me dammit.
You were either a small child, a total noob, or experiencing temporary brain damage, then.
Option 3 it is I guess.
This is true for me as well. And I imagine for most people, whether they realize it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destin
Maybe that's why I like C64 and Amiga games so much. Even mediocre titles often had absolutely fantastic music.
OMG! RE: NHL '94.
IBTN
Joust Williams doesn't like it, but he hasn't played it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiMoogle
More added. How the fuck is Smash Bros. above VF4 and Halo above Deus Ex? Amazing.
LAN Hang 'em High > Deus Ex
SSBM is an odd beast, but has arguably achieved its goals better than any other game. I'd say it has more robust multiplayer and singleplayer options than VF4 as well. VF4 Evo's training mode was very in-depth, but I wouldn't say I really had all that much fun going through it. Also, like with Halo, when you get 4 or more people playing and having an awesome time, it trumps a max of two.
I rather play Super Bomberman 1/2 than SSBM if I can get 4 or more ppl to play together.
ok. I'll expect to see the dozen PC FPS that have better multiplayer than Halo in the top 30 then.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuryFox
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
Because it is a better game.
Saturn Bomberman is the correct answer.
Qualify this.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
I never got the Saturn version, unfortunately. Would love to try the 10 men bomberman with 9 other people, but that doesn't seem to be easy to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I find bomberman to be much more simple to learn/play (it is about as pick up and play as you can get), yet with the different maps/powerups, the game is deep. Any game where you make custom taunts is gold ("Greed Kills!").
I just don't like SSBM, I never understood why people hold it to such high esteem. It is not a particularly good fighting game and adding more people doesn't make it any better.
Amen to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
That's fine. This sort of subjectivity remains why these lists can't be taken seriously, and particular placement even less so. I'd still be interested in hearing why it isn't a good fighting game though.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
Granted, I hold that DOA4 is a better game than many on this list, but I know I'm in the minority.
He did watch some one play the first few levels. Surely that's enough to tell the quality of any game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
:link:
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I'm looking for a smart, unbiased perspective on the latest Nintendo games, I turn to Joust Williams.
Me too Compass, me too.
Smash Bros. isn't a fighting game, it's a beat the shit out of the other player game.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
The point is to add more people and add more alcohol. Everyone I know in real life that likes SSBM has never played it sober, and one time when I did play it with a bunch of people that were sober no one liked it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
I can't believe I just read that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGN
:lol: :lol: :lol:
japan invented everything and the nes was the first system ever
I feel an early RPG flavored Neo thread coming on. Please?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
ISTCOA.
Reading IGN makes you dumber.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Holy shit. That's the worst I've seen from them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Me either. Adventure, hello.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Whatever, the greatest atrocity is that Street Fighter II is #24.
I don't know that Adventure would constitute and RPG. But shit, even if you're a total noob you should know Ultima.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
I don't know what the true first was. Probably Dungeon, which was like 1975. But really, the thing that aggrevates me is not that he didn't know, but the fact that he felt compelled to make a historical claim like that despite being off by at least 10 years. It's just talking out of his ass.
The one about KOTOR being the first game with an alignment system is cute, too. Why do people feel like they have to do that?
The official shirt of IGN:
http://the-nextlevel.com/board/attac...1&d=1196320671
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
God dammit, at least the ones I wrote are alright.
TNL never had a top 100 list, but several years back I put together lists of games for each platform. Everyone listed their top 10, and I tallied up the votes to create a master list. Symphony of the Night wound up being the top overall game.
Gaze ye back through the mists of time!
The All-TNL Top 10 Playstation Games
I did lists for every major system up to that time, including the NES & Master System, but the others seem to have been lost to the fragile corners of THE DATABASE.
well, something like dragonstomper came out in 1982 and predates dragon quest or whatever. So even if you are going by just consoles, dragon quest sure the fuck aint it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
That list is awful. How the fuck were Tomb Raider and Resident Evil not there?Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
I thought Miracle Warriors (1987 US) was the first JRPG, before Phantasy Star and well before Dragon Warrior (1989 US)?
Wow, lots of games before Dragon Warrior:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronol...-playing_games
There were western RPGs before that, as I am sure NeoZeedeater will inform us.
Well, Adventure and Ultima have already been mentioned, anyway.
A main problem I have with Top 100 lists in general is that they tend to be overpopulated with a few entries of the same series. There are already 2 Final Fantasies and 3 Zeldas here, and one more of each showing up before it's over is almost a certainty.
That makes little sense to me - considering the hundreds of thousands of games out there, I wouldn't be able to tell someone that out of the very best 100 of them, 4 or 5 are from the same series. I couldn't imagine telling someone who wants to only play the best videogames that they have to play Final Fantasy 4, 7, and 6, while ignoring a few thousand other RPGs that might be worthy of consideration. Pick the best one out of a series and include a wider variety of games, please. Addressing an entire series as a single entity is a cop-out as well, so I don't think that would be any better.
The list also includes FFVII... it needs thrown the fuck out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I think that if it somehow turns out that the ten best games ever made are all part of the same series, then they should all take their place in the top ten and sit there as a nice "you can't fuck with us" message to all of the developers whose games took places 11-100.
Probably one series won't ever be able to do that, but maybe Nintendo's franchises will work together to take the top 5. What's left: Super Mario Bros, Mario 64,Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time and ........................Super Metroid? Wait, Super Metroid's not needed, Twilight Princess came out in 2006. Super Metroid can take 7th place after being edged out by Tetris for 6th.
They weren't very good? Also unlike a lot of other games that didn't make the cut, most people who made selections probably played those two games and made informed decisions not to include them.Quote:
How the fuck were Tomb Raider and Resident Evil not there?
Yoshi's Island
By definition, picking FFVII or FFIX over either of those is not an informed decision. Of course, that poll was taken back in TNL's retarded Japanophile days before most people grew up.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
If TNL made another list right now FF 7 would still be on it.
Yeah, we haven't run all the morons out unfortunately.
Which one did you do Frog, cause those are the only ones I want to read.
That thread shows me that the original Tenchu really was considered great by a ton of people. It's a shame there hasn't been an awesome next-gen (current gen) update for that franchise. Only diehards like me and Dolemite made it past playing the third or fourth game. I guess Assassin's Creed might fill the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
If you even start to type the letters FF in TNL your computer should blow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Wrong.
You have 2 seconds after typing FF to enter in the Letter T.
I'd let XII slide too. But you better be fast on that last "I".
If you want to or are able to say, what games did you vote for?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
He voted for Clayfighters 64
Blue Swede Goo is the best fighting game character ever.
IBTN, nobody fucks with him.
We were originally asked to submit a list of our 25 favorite games (no mention of consideration for impact or any of the other qualifiers) to create a pool of games from which we'd vote the Top 100 list. There are the games I submitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
- Shadow of the Colossus
- Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
- Street Fighter 2: Hyper Fighting
- WipeOut 3
- Super Mario Bros. 3
- Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
- Super Metroid
- Marvel vs. Capcom 2
- Super Mario Bros.
- Metroid Prime
- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
- R4: Ridge Racer Type 4
- The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
- Tetris
- ICO
- Halo: Combat Evolved
- Wave Race 64
- Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
- Colin McRae Rally 2.0
- Yoshi's Island
- Gran Turismo
- Resident Evil 4
- Twisted Metal 2
- Meteos
Never owned a Sega console? ;)
I think DQ came out a little earlier, although Miracle Warriors had a computer version as well, so I'm not sure how that fits in. I think there was a japanese-developed Wizardry game too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
That list is fucking terrible. Nintendo published the 7 best cartridge based games ever? Bull fucking shit.
It's sad when other IGN monkeys had to bail MarkRyan's ass out to keep the list fro being even worse.
Most of them haven't come up yet, but I did Ninja Gaiden and Panzer Saga. There are a bunch in the top 20 apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
They probably never even opened his submission file.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That would be the first useful editing IGN ever had.
lolz
Just Dreamcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
So the worst one.
I mean it is all subjective anyway but how can he even put Meteos on there as top 25 ever when it is not even the top 5 puzzle games. And I like Meteos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Month for month, DC was the best system I ever owned.
I would say 32X (if you consider it a separate console) or Game Gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Unless you bought the others.
The SG-1000 is Sega's worst console and it was still pretty good for its time. It was just abandoned quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Get the fuck out, seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
PS
PS2
NES
Genesis
Saturn
All of these shit on the DC.
The only thing DC is good for are the few shmups, VOOT (with Twin Stick) and Samba.
Those are just my favorite games and I wouldn't expect anyone but me to agree with the list. I'm not at all presenting it as the "Top 25 Games of All Time," but I make no apologies for what are my favorite games.
Meteos is pretty phenomenal in multiplayer with character depth not too different from Street Fighter. Different planets have totally different play strategies and matching them up against different planets to play the strengths and weaknesses is very, very unique to the puzzle genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
All of them lasted a lot longer than DC. That's why I qualified it by saying "month for month. Sept 99-Feb 02 were full of more good games than I could keep up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff-chan
Obviously. I meant it from a domestic perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Fair enough, I never played the game multiplayer. Still I think other puzzlers play just as well, if not better in multiplay. Like Tetris, Puyo Pop, Klax, Puzzle Fighters, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkRyan
I'd have to see what games came out for DC during that time and what games were kicking it's ass on the PS, and I don't really have time to go over the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
All of them except a couple shmups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff-chan
I like Tetris and Puyo Pop, never played much Klax and not really a fan of Puzzle Fighters. But Meteos's multiplayer mechanics are so different and genre bending that it's hard to compare them to these games.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingoffighters
Well, if you played fighting games at all Playstation was the ass of systems and DC was the cream. Playstation was really good for jrpg's around then, getting Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana, Breath of Fire 4, and Final Fantasy IX, but for variety i don't remember there being that much.
I know, sorry my sarcasm missed there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The lack of Genesis games on this list really is apalling. There's no Gunstar Heroes, Sonic is really low, and I have a sneaking suspicion we won't be seeing any Sonics higher on the list.
Indeed. These media lists seem to become more Nintendo-system biased every year. Any top 100 with Sonic below several Mario games, and no Wonder Boy, Shinobi games, or Gunstar is worthless. I think we can rule out NEC systems too as I recall MarkRyan saying he would be surprised if any IGN editors had ever owned one. My only hope there is that they have played some via Virtual Console.
I still want to know who would hire a video game journalist who never owned a wide variety of consoles. You could randomly pick members of this board, and they'd destroy IGN in knowledge, writing, and general interest.
Yeah, I think Buttcheeks and myself head up that list of serious gamers.
Sonic and Gunstar don't belong on a top 100 unless it's top 100 games that people really like but aren't really that good.
The Virtual Boy and the 3DO say hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Below EVERY Mario game on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Oh, the Sega Virtual Boy and the Sega 3DO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff-chan
DIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
P.S. Super Mario World still sucks, and apparently Miyamoto agrees with me.
I can agree on Sonic, I never got it. But why the hate on Gunstar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
Zelda isn't spelled S-O-N-I-C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch