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It's interesting that many of you had linked factcheck.org during the debates. It happens to be owned (as shown in its title image) by an organization whose board Obama sat on for several years, Annenberg. He seems to be connected almost as well as the Clintons.
you mean, nixon's ambassador and reagan's bestie annenberg?
is it possible you don't know who walter annenberg is?
I know exactly who the man is, but that's wholly different than the organization.
does it matter who runs the organization? because if it doesn't agree with you, you don't trust it anyway.
I don't trust much of anything on the internet honestly, regardless of what the hell it says. I sure as hell am not going to trust anything that has a solid association with one candidate to check facts about statements from him or his challenger though.
Serious question: you think they're actually falsifying things for Obama? Because otherwise that means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
It's almost impossible to tell. However, people earlier in this thread seemed to be treating it as undeniable truth.
There's a lot of stuff on which I don't agree with Fox News. The infamous Mass Effect nonsense is the most glaring example.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Yes, but: politics. "Mass Effects" wasn't really a candidate as such.
No, it's possible to tell. If they start lying the right wing blogosphere will figure it out pretty quickly and turn their name into mud. O'Reilly & Rush will have a new punchline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
You should go. It will be the first (and maybe only) time there has ever been a reason to go to Harbor Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
I don't need the television to tell me what passes the sniff test and what doesn't when it comes to politics. You want to see how confident people should be in an Obama presidency? Watch the Dow on election day and the day after if he wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
It's been quite a while since I have listened to Rush. Drugs don't fly with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by StriderKyo
I suppose you are right in principle though.
It would be kind of weird if it dropped. Didn't Obama clean up in Wall Street donations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If it turns out they're crooked, I'll jump on them too. But credibility is pretty much the only thing they have to market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
the dow and the equity markets are a complete bunch of morons lately. that said i think the market will rally on an obama win but this is indicative of nothing. equities haven't traded on fundamentals for a month and a half now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
You're gonna see a rally either way. King George II will be out the door.
that's nonsensical, because the market already knows thisQuote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
however: it has done way dumber things lately
honestly we can't look at the equity market for guidance - it's running around like a decapitated chicken
That's retarded. That's not new news, so why would it affect the market? The outcome will determine which way the market goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
to the extent that the market is pricing any of this in at all, it's already assuming an obama win. i don't think it will matter, because the daily swings in the is market are equal or greater than the swing you would see in a normal market from an election reaction.
That's definitely a good point. I just hope it doesn't have a magnifying effect on the volatility.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
So... any chance that Stevens steps down, thus allowing for a special election sometime after next Tuesday? It would certainly be interesting. The Alaska GOP would have to scramble to find an extremely popular Republican that would have a chance of winning...
if mccain winning the election drives the market up like 2000 points i could live with it for a day or so. i don't think it will happen - if anything the three-times-a week morning addresses by bush lately have proven that the market just doesn't care what the president (or anyone, really) is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
however: an election in dispute like 2000 i think could hold the market hostage with uncertainty.
this essay explains that on average a republican presidential winner gives a 2% bounce to the equity market. i'm just saying that right now 2% is nothing.
that's actually really interesting. biden is running in delaware but he is an institution there. palin i think would win by a landslide but can she possibly throw herself in without being see as jumping ship? she would do the GOP more good in saving a senate seat but i think she would be quickly exposed in the senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
I know this is apples and oranges, but I wanted to seize upon your 2% comment for a second. Hot off the press:Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
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So the election party I'm throwing next week could possibly be running later than initially anticipated.
Good point. I think that she would benefit far more from four years of learning under McCain than being thrown to the wolves in the Senate, personally. But stranger things have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
We've already been through why the "traditional likely voter" model is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
We've also already been through why said reasons could be offset in this particular election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Oh boy, we'll get to hear some fine sentences beginning with the phrase "MY FRIENDS" concerning this tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
My friends, this election is going to be a motherfucking nail-biter.
and then this happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
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or you could cherrypick the one flawed poll in the world that still shows a 2% difference that would still mean a clear obama victory in the electoral college
and we've been through the reasons why those reasons aren't reasons at all - as shown by early votingQuote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
There's nothing punk rock about him. Shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
So you're telling me that my party will be over early?Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
9PM ET when pennsylvania and virginia are called for obama
though even if mccain takes VA FL and OH and we have to sweat it out, obama's still much more likely to carry what would be decisive out west
it's not impossible for mccain but at this point it's going to take a miracle - and that miracle needs to happen before the weekend
So 8PM CT. That's hardly enough time to get everyone drunk and back in their cars. Damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
For the record, I want to say that it won't take a miracle for McCain to come close, or even pull it off. I just think this election is that different. We will see, though.
it won't take a miracle for mccain to come "close" i guess but there's a whole shitload of room between obama's expected EV tally and 270. especially in terms of probability.
holy blacks running for the polls batman
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this is why traditional likely voter model polls are off the mark. blacks, and to a lesser extent, students and young people with no landlines, are voting heavily for obama and are underrepresented in these models. mccain will probably beat obama in the self-described undecided group (because let's face it, if you haven't decided by now, you're a moron) but those minimal gains (assuming undecideds even vote given crazy long waits) are going to be washed away by crazy black turnout. in some states, it already is.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/harbinger.html
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html
If blacks are voting for it, you know it's no good.
i look forward to eight years of ramon telling us he's broke because his wealth was redistributed
I don't think there's anything moronic about being undecided between a proponent of failed big-government ideas and a proponent of failed big-government ideas. Oh, the choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I'm going to be living with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Bob Barr Whoop Whoop? I hear he's a rebel.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
sure, but you have a bob barr sigQuote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
easy bucko. i need a lawn before i need a live-in gardener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Not the fact that he gave a speech in 45 degree rainstorm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Fucking Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I want change. So sue me.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Wait, are all polls based on people with landlines only?Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Cause who the hell has a landline anymore?
i believe pew calls cells - not coincidentally it is showing obama +15 (although that's probably over the top)
not sure of the others
i hope your ohian ass sent in an absentee ballot
That change being continuation and furthering of deregulation that got us into this mess?Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
Iowan assQuote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Yeah, I did.
I almost feel bad for her at this point. Almost.
Moose Bitch applied for a job she has neither the resume nor the moxy for, and now she won't get it. That seems fine.
Poor Sarah Palin... in over her head. I just want to pat her on the shoulder and offer her a cookie.
And by "cookie," I'm assuming you mean "throbbing cock."Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
And your penis, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
*sigh*
lol nash beat me to it.
AND HAVE SEX WITH HER!!!!1
Wait am I too late?
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Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Wow, Keith Olbermann is a dick.
Olbermann's analogy (that Palin's a hypocrite b/c she slams Bama for being a "socialist" who wants to redistribute wealth while stating that AK's a good place b/c they redistribute natural resource wealth) is way off.
Natural resources belong to all the citizens of the state; they're already collectively owned.
Personal wealth, of the kind she accuses Bama of wanting to grab and redistribute, is different.
She's still wrong to call Bama a socialist (Warren Buffett's a fan - WARREN BUFFETT!). But Olbermann's way off here.
Olbermann hit his head on a subway in the early 80's and it knocked something loose. Notice how he rocks back and forth as he talks, trying desperately to silence the voices. Rachel Maddow should stay far away from him before her head winds up in his freezer.
how are natural resources owned by the state in alaska but by private landholders in every other state i heard of?
edit: I think Olbermann's fucked up on the Parkinson's.
Olbermann is so condescending I really wish I disagreed with him.
Went to the Obama rally in Norfolk tonight. Probably 12,000+ people showed. Pretty cool all around, Governor Kaine spoke and hearing Obama in person is pretty cool. I'm not typically easily wooed by speeches, especially by fucking politicians. But the dude kind of makes me want to get out there and make something better of myself.
So yeah, pretty cool. If he wins next week, that makes two presidents I've seen (HW being the other).
I saw Darrel Strawberry play there when I was kid. That was kind of cool. He got thrown out of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
*Edit, pictures
I think I just got Palin'd!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I call bullshit on the idea of you actually believing this.Quote:
lol Nice caveat, since Obama's entire platform is "vote for me, and I'll give you free money."
why does it use the wifi signal strength indicator icon from gnomeQuote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Obama has FULL SIGNAL
Hey Yoshi, remember when Bush was all "I'll send you $500! No strings!"
How is that not what he's saying? He's promising free health care, free education, free this, and free that and saying that taxes won't go up at all. It's a complete lie, but his voters aren't smart enough to realize it anyway. If liberal social programs worked, there wouldn't be anyone left who needs them after 50 fucking years, just like affirmative action.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODE
he didn't send my high-earning ass a thingQuote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
i hate bush socialism
I believe I got two checks. The most recent was for $1,200 for the married couples who pay taxes.
So what the fuck? That struck you as "cool"? I mean, I'm sure you used it, like all of us tend to do when given "free money", but what was that all about?
When exactly did he start promising free health care and free education?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
See, you're just proving yourself full of shit saying crap like that.
Not especially, but it falls completely in line with what Frog said maybe a page ago about putting cash back into the economy so people could spend it. I personally would rather have a lower tax rate to begin with than some damn check later, after the government earned interest on my money.
I was certainly oversimplifying, but he's promising government handouts in both areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Also, for the record, we've covered this before, but fuck anyone with this retarded anti government health care.
Fun fact, it works and it's what the US should have.
i hope you enjoy spending my redistributed wealth, vlad leninQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Nice "fact". If the government wants to cut other social programs so they can subsidize insurance, great. I don't want it run by the government, and I sure as hell don't want any government influence that may decrease the quality of care or amount of research for new cures for those of us who are completely covered privately.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
It's unlikely you're in a higher bracket than I am, despite the huge difference in cost of living.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
And because that research is done privately, they then charge OUTRAGEOUS amounts of money for the cures so only the wealthy can afford them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Yeah, that's just super.
What has me really baffled, is male republicans (officials) are in the closet, and Republican women are hot. Democratic men get cheating on their wives with other women, and democratic women are ugly.
i believe i made too much to get a stimulus check. if you got one and i didn't i believe the only reason is that we're in different socialism brackets.
and failure to adjust for cost of living is another major disadvantage city dwellers face
If there were no financial reward, there would be no financial risk taken, and there would be no research at all. You may want to die from Polio, but I'll pass.
It's possible. The married couple clause may have also made me eligible. I may have been over the limit myself but not for the pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
What is this "city dweller" bullshit. I live in a metropolitan area of well over a million people.Quote:
and failure to adjust for cost of living is another major disadvantage city dwellers face
You lost me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
lol @ America thinking Universal Health Care is scary. It's about 60 years overdue, and the quality of care won't go down at all. "OH NOES YOU CAN'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT WITH YOUR HEALTH!" Well I trust the government with my mail, and a day or two later - it gets to the place I sent it.
There's better ways to offer the rewards and take the risks than the system of failed capitalism we're using right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
You're in North Carolina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's like me claiming to have lived in a metropolitan area of Iowa.
Come on now.
No, there aren't. Pharmaceutical companies spend more on research than the government could possibly ever afford to fund. It's literally the only vehicle that has any chance of curing cancer, AIDS, etc.
There are a lot of blacks here, but I think they still each count as one in 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
edit: We're in the Top 50, while Iowa's largest is #91. And that's with some odd shit that seems to exclude pieces of this area.
Why this concept that Universal Health Care would mean the end of Pharmaceutical Companies?
Do you think they don't exist at all anywhere that has it? It's not that the government runs EVERY LITTLE THING.
I haven't seen a bill on the table yet. You don't know a damn thing about what they want to run. But anything they do will run like shit.
it's even worse then...i'm subsidizing marriage. still better than being married myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
didn't know that. still my cost of living in NYC crushes yours. unless you live in london or something.Quote:
What is this "city dweller" bullshit. I live in a metropolitan area of well over a million people.
Colombus, Ohio is above you on that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Yeah, you can't call yourself a metropolitan.
oh come on, no one said anything about running pharma companies. the rest of the civilized world has some form of universal healthcare and still has plenty of medical research as well as plenty of available private insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Any news yet today, or is it just going to be bat wings flapping against one another this morning?
I challenge you to a cost of living off. How much does an apple cost in your city?Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
150-200yen minimum for one apple here foo
Actually I'm in the poorest prefecture on the mainland here, so cost is pretty low comparitively, but I'll bet it's higher then Yoshi's area.
your cost of pussy is ridiculously low. i would just go fuck every time i wanted an apple.
But I pay for it in hair stuck in my teeth and the back of my throat. Also the mental anguish of fucking a squeak toyQuote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Are you really willing to pay that price?