How about we paint half of it black?Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
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How about we paint half of it black?Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
And Cindy McCain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
The Grey House?Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
And Joe "the Plumber". Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Killing babies and ebonics in schools imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Those are a given. It'll be a lot worse than that.
We can only hope! :tu:
When she admits to having lapses in her pride in America, then we'll talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
AhahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Anybody who didn't have a moment of "this is fucked" over the course of the last eight years, I don't know what to tell you. Nevermind at various points in the last fifty.
The things you love will sometimes let you down.
There's a difference between not liking where the country is headed on a certain issue and not being proud to be an American. If you've ever fallen in the latter category, go fuck yourself.
Were you proud to be an American when Abu Ghraib was going on? IS going on? Fuck YO-self.
Our country sometimes does things that aren't right and becomes things it shouldn't. Having blind patriotism and non-conditional support for what the country is doing is not quite the way to be.
Pre-emptive war? This is a thing to be proud of? Go fuck yourself. That's not what America is supposed to be.
Bush has damaged what this country is and what it represents severely, and thank God he's out.
How are pride and "non-conditional" (which isn't a word) support the same thing? Now I know why you've stuck to your one liners. When you exceed that, you look even less intelligent.
You have no idea what America is supposed to be.
You voted for Bush twice, hon. Proudly. You failed your own country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If all you've got is grammar correction, I'm sorry. I'll stop picking on you.
You tiny bitch. :D
For a typical naive liberal, you spend an awful lot of time talking about the past... and failing to understand it predictably.
Uh huh. I think we're done here. Have a fine evening. :nod:
Just to let everyone know, if you go to google news they have a live map that updates with who wins each state, it also includes if you select a state who's winning what % (Senate, President etc) # of precincts reporting in etc.
Not even CNN is saying Abu-Ghraib is continuing. Where are you getting that bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
This is true, but whats non-conditional? I heard of unconditional. Blind patriotism is a problem, but hearing some people say I am voting for Obama cause he's black is just as bad. As is hearing I am voting for McCain, cause he's white.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
LOL. During the Clinton Administration America became a world police force. If anything the US changed when we as a people went Global aka economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
You really don't understand what America represents. BUT I WILL AGREE Bush has DAMAGED this country ... for other reasons actually. Its more in the way he explains things. Or should I say lack of explaining. And he has a tendancy of being late in explaining to the American people why he or the government is doing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Hey, Tagalong MacGee! Get your own show.
Look who's talking. You're like the animated short that sucks before burg's feature presentation.
Says you! The short is usually better than the feature. :D
You don't have to defend your polyp. But if you think he's helping your argument.... feel free!
What a witty comeback!Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Not like the edit made it anymore funny.
Oh you. :D
in their defense, he was standing there for a shockingly long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
The women was quoted damning America and saying Barack running for president is the best this country has done in her lifetime. I guess she missed out on Civil Rights, Rowe v. Wade, Total Recall, etc. I hate that racist cunt.
A prime example of the problem with democracy is that you voted for Bush twice and are allowed to vote again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
News today is that she put in an absentee ballot and it will be counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru
She won't be the only dead person that votes for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1225814614
I thought you didn't approve of drug addicts, Yoshi?
Of course on BBC's picture on the front page has four fatty-fatties representing America:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/features/i...08_400x260.jpg
I don't, but the president not being a user is more important than the first lady.
Cheney's voting for Obama too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
George "Born-Again Coke Bogart Alcoholic" Bush ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
There hasn't been a clean choice since 1996 until McCain.
i don't understand the AA thing - is it dittohead code?
if you're proud of everything america has done the last eight years, you're the one with the lapse in judgmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
blind nationalism is a very dangerous thing
Subsidies for melon and greens farmers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Read the thread before you reply with the same shit that has already been addressed.
Nah. They're small businesses. They should be taxed more in her husband's opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
(i think it means "affirmative action". so yes. HE'Z ONLY GETTING LECTED CAUSE HE'S A BLACKULA*!)Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Because they make more than 250k a year.
People that grew up in the 60's and 70's and claim to have never once experimented are either lying or were considerable social retards.
Maybe legalization of farming the other "green"
If they served bacon and gravy at the polls we'd get more turnout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tones
Considering hippies are the responsible for most of what is wrong with this country, I'd beg to differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
The fact that most of you were likely born to former hippies is not at all surprising.
You'd be surprised how many farmers make more than that. Plus, the $250k line is a lie anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
Marines and Airforce here.
no, it's not the same thing. you have to be in the majority to be racist. blacks voting for blacks because of race may be simple, stupid, or biased, but it does not represent racism in the political sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
dunno whether to lol or cry hereQuote:
During the Clinton Administration America became a world police force.
i'm gonna say that more than just about every other poster in this thread, you don't understand one single solitary thing about what america representsQuote:
You really don't understand what America represents.
You have to be fucking kidding me.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
America represents God and Country and in my heart I know Advocates knows this.
MSNBC I won't argue with, but CNN is pretty middle of the road. They're not as focused on op-ed journalism as either of the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
From where you're sitting, to the left of Karl Marx, I'm sure it is.
no i'm not. i get to vote no matter how much black people hate me. the color of my skin has never affected my life at all. (except maybe i got $1000 less in scholarship money once in my life or something really fucking trivial.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
c'mon. are you seriously telling me you are not at all proud that you have the opportunity to vote against a meaningful black presidential candidate?
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Nah, my parents were considerable squares. My dad went to a major college in the 60's and his big moral cautionary tale from the experience is about some guys in his dorm always playing poker. The degree of functional blindness to the society around him that had to have been involved there is honestly pretty scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Looking at stuff, not many farmer's do, but I don't know does it include the value of land etc? From what I'm reading the average farmer makes less than 30k a year, but his equipment etc is expensive and lots of land has it's own value as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I'm trying to read up on this on Sean Hannity's site, good lord.
what is with this thread full of angry minority-hating minorities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
maybe you're all just jealous a brotha made it
Look, I know you fox newsies think that credible journalism is just having an equal number of blowhards on either side yelling at each other like assholes, but it's actually just trying to get the news out there and keep the editorializing to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
By burg's logic, since African-Americans are the majority in the city of Chicago, racism does have something to do with Obama getting elected in some small way - if only when he was running in previous elections. So blacks voting one way in Chicago are racist, but blacks voting for the same reasons somewhere else are not racist? I hate racism, but I also hate when white liberals can't call it like it is because we've been conditioned not to.
Better to just acknowledge that the horrendous Bush presidency coupled with the emergence of the first viable African-American candidate, and McCain's age and Palin's Palin-ness (not Obama's policies themselves), are the reasons behind the spanking that's going to take place today. And white racism is keeping McCain's numbers as high as they are.
Not in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
a. i'm not a liberalQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick
b. blacks vote for democrats pretty heavily anyway - illinois carried half-black obama over all-black and all-crazy keyes
c. if you show me some evidence that a white candidate can't get any traction to win an office in chicago because he's not black, then you may have a point
Racism is only a problem when it's abused. It should be allowed to openly exist and not shoved into a closet and allowed to fester.
You acknowledge that ObAmA offers nothing with this logic, which is hard to dispute, but it's ridiculous that the only reason to vote for McCain is racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
Actually, its $200K for single people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
I didn't work myself sick (literally) for the last 5 years to get assraped in taxes to benefit lazy people. Exactly how do I deserve to be punished?
OAA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
is that what he said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Yet you voted for the most liberal senator for president.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Most of them don't bother to vote at all. That's the difference here. Racism apparently is one of the few things that motivates them.Quote:
b. blacks vote for democrats pretty heavily anyway - illinois carried half-black obama over all-black and all-crazy keyes
Nice edit on c.
Moreso than race, people are siding by party affiliation. However, I do believe race is getting the ignorant out to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Again Yoshi, I wan't some State & US Senate voting records to back-up your wild-ass acusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I think it's pretty obvious that black people in general wouldn't vote for just any black person, like OJ Simpson or Flavor Flav (or Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson). On the other hand, there are a lot of people who are voting for a ticket that has Palin on it. That's just plain stupidity, and to me, that's the equivalent of voting for Flav.
As for black people who don't know that Alan Keyes is an idiot, IDK, but he's not even in the picture and would never win, so that says something to me.
Yoshi: Just out of curiosity, since you mentioned that Obama's campaign lies a lot (I don't disagree that a lot of his promise-making is BS, mind you, though that doesn't differentiate him from any other candidate ever), what issues has McCain's campaign been untruthful about, and what things about Obama has the McCain campaign said that are untrue?
For the record: Regardless of who wins, we all should expect that they will move closer to the center quickly as hell.
Give me Liberty or give me death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Also: Freedom.
ps: <3 Doc.
All right, I give, what's the dig here? Some kind of odd byproduct of the frustration that there's no 'S'es you can change to dollar signs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
He said that's the only thing keeping the race close, which is the same damn thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
a couple percent up or down =/= assrapeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
vote your wallet if you truly give a fuck about nothing else but don't pretend you're going to be paying any more than any other recent president except the last one, whose cuts were wholly irresponsible even according to john mccain
I found on the Sean hannity boards an interesting and what I think is a pretty good post about the taxes, unfortunately no one there seemed to bother addressing it at all and just go on to yell at Liberals for not listening to Rush Limbaugh.
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Let's be careful with our claims (and our fears.)
A small business could have millions in revenue. But it is allowed to deduct all sorts of stuff for tax purposes -- including the entire salary expenses to its employees. And rent. And leases. And materials and any other expense it takes to run that business. The list of deductible items is HUGE.
So a business that "does $3 million" might only pay taxes on $300K. (Or may actually show a LOSS!)
If the business shows $300K in profits, AND if the business is not incorporated (and therefore subject to CORPORATE TAX rules instead of personal tax rules), then the owner will end up paying the new marginal tax rate on the $50K that is above the proposed $250K threshold. If I understand it right, it's a 3% increase on the marginal rate over $250K, so the tax increase will be $1500.
But someone raised an important point about other tax increases. SS and related payroll taxes will be a direct and large hit on the business. What that will cause is a drop in the example $300K above. It's a dollar-for-dollar drop in profits, and depending on the size of the payroll, it could eat significantly into costs such that the business might have to lay some employees off.
And all the "Joe-the-Plumber" discussion is moot if the small business is treated as a corporation.
I think the changes in SS are more sinister to us than the various income tax proposals. Self-employed people, contractors, independent business owners -- they don't just pay what the run of the mill employee pays toward Social Security. They also pay the MATCH that employers pay. THAT is what will hit the small business owners -- even those making under $250K.
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Knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
That's funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
well, it is. he's a weak candidate who's run a disastrous campaign in a toxic environment for a republican. obama would be way over 60% if not for racism. the fact that you're not voting for mccain because of race doesn't mean other people aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
the line is $250k if you have a company, and you're not in a corporation which is something entirely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerodash
He never said that. He said that the combination of spending and that were irresponsible with a clear focus on the spending being the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
um, why shouldn't self-employed people pay the same aggregate share of their social security responsibility? of course they don't get an employer match - they are BOTH employers and employees.
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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
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Originally Posted by YellerDog
he voted against the bush cuts that he's now basically running on, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That's irrelevant. I have been discriminated against by idiots in certain markets and in certain restaurants, and your statement that only a person in the majority can be said to practice political racism is just goofy as well. If you want to hear some racist nonsense and you want to see your skin color become a disadvantage, I can show you around Chicago next time you're in town, or you can read up on some of the great aldermen in our history.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I'm hoping that there can be less intellectual dishonesty on both sides with an Obama presidency.
Oh, and I see that you changed option C, but I'll keep my response.
The only thing that this race tangent illustrates is that whether it's a factor or not, it's not large enough of a factor to have any meaningful impact on this election. Racists are a dying breed and people who place the primary blame of the outcome on race are delusional at this stage of the game and fishing for excuses.
That said, if Obama wins, and you feel that it's because of racism, or because ignorant black voters fucked you over in some grand conspiracy theme etc. Good. I'm glad you feel that way. Shoe doesn't fit too tell on the other foot, does it? :)
I also agree that anyone of any group can be racist, but let's face it, most people will choose some reason or another to place themselves above others, whether it be race, social status, class, or penis-size. That's just how we do.
So, how can you support a party that wishes to restrict your freedom to marry by a religious precedence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
anecdotally everyone has been discriminated against because of some stupid reason or another. this is not the same as institutional racism/sexism/whateverism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
I didn't say that. I said racism contributed to his numbers being as high as they are, and I think that is a safe assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
McCain and Obama are the best "final two" we've had in many elections, but that doesn't mean that they got their strictly on their own merits.
Hey, so: Kerry or Obama?
Show me where McCain or the Republican party said that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
LIBERAL! or lazy, it's your choice America!Quote:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the only other senator whose presidential candidacy survived the initial round of primaries and caucuses this year, did not vote frequently enough in 2007 to draw a composite score. He missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories.
Burg: It's a very difficult undertaking to try to convince people who haven't been affected by covert or institutionalized racism that it is a strong factor in the lives of those who have. Ironically, those are the most powerful forms of racism, while overt racism, for the most part, is pretty pathetic and harmless.
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Look carefully at Obama's record. He skipped a lot of the key votes to avoid putting himself on the record. It's somewhat scary that this is what our political system has degenerated into.
We're not yet a post-racist society because our understanding of race is too shallow and too reliant on platitudes and verbal salves. I think an Obama presidency will do some good in putting the emphasis on merit and motivation and taking it off of tribal identification and family history. He's far from the ideal president, but he will be a fine figurehead to wash the taste of Reagan and the Bushes away.
I have, but saying that only the majority is racist is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Do You Like Erotic?
edit: I mean "you have to be in the majority to be racist."
"No matter what color you are, if you strive to achieve your own selfish, personal goals through any means necessary, you can do it!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
i'm gonna flip the fuck out if you two are seriously going to waste posts arguing about gay marriage
worst. issue. ever.
Which of Obama's goals strike you as selfish? I don't feel that way about what McCain is trying to do, despite not agreeing with most of 'em.
Voted Obama, but not straight dem.
His entire campaign is all about him. He wants the title and power. He doesn't give a damn about helping this country as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Page 53, 1st paragraph. http://platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
Marriage traditions were set in place through religion, the idea of allowing same sex marriages goes against that tradition, which again goes back to religious practice and shouldn't have any influence from the government.