Election Thread 2008 MAKE SURE YOU VOTE

I don't know why you'd like that, but congrats if that's what you were hoping for.

THE ELECTION IS OVER

BUT NOW WE HAVE TO BITCH ABOUT WHO WILL BE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CABINET PICKS IT'S NOT OVAH

CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU, HEAR THE LAMENTATION OF THEIR WOMEN
Schwarzenegger 2012

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I don't know why you'd like that

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it could be because fiscal conservatism is sort of awesome

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Originally Posted by burgundy

it could be because fiscal conservatism is sort of awesome

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Ah, okay.

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Originally Posted by Josh

THE ELECTION IS OVER

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http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...uses_obsessive

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Originally Posted by Josh

THE ELECTION IS OVER

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But now it's time for the campaign postmortem and speculation leading up to Inauguration Day. And we still have that Al Franken cliffhanger to deal with. Let's not Shenmue this thread.

Hey guys, wanna see Newsweek's piece on the secrets of the campaign?

Newsweek's journos were afforded unprecedented access to both campaigns on the condition that they weren't to release any information until after the election.

Fun stuff I've read so far:

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Originally Posted by Newsweek

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus.

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McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

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On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers—Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons—met to decide whether to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."

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Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.

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McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, as a campaign issue. The Republican had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism. Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons). And before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).

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On the night she officially lost the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton enjoyed a long and friendly phone conversation with McCain. Clinton was actually on better terms with McCain than she was with Obama. Clinton and McCain had downed shots together on Senate junkets; they regarded each other as grizzled veterans of the political wars and shared a certain disdain for Obama as flashy and callow.

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Originally Posted by TODE

Well, Nader's dead. (er, double-dead)



He's got a good point, but did he have to refer to Obama as an Uncle Tom?

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lol, oh nozes, an old white man is culturally disconnected and used a word improperly.


I hope everyone is ready for more of this. We've come a long way, but we haven't come that far yet. People are going to talking like this for the next 4 years. White and black.

Fuck Nader.

Nader is a king among men

king among men

I've heard Palin called "the future of the Republican Party" a dozen times today.

I can't believe conservatives are missing the point so goddamn hard. Palin didn't win a damn voter that wasn't already Republican and she sent many, many potential ones running for the hills. This woman should be picking Dr. Scholls out of her ass with how hard the party should be booting her out of the spotlight.

They have the perfect opportunity to distance themselves from the regressive bullshit she represented and make themselves viable again, it's sitting right there for the taking. Instead, they pick up the ball and head right towards their own end zone.

This shit makes me want to scream. I may lean left but it's in everyone's best interest that parties better themselves, I want so hard to see elections where I have to make a pained decision between two quality candidates. But no sir, You Betcha McGoo is the shining beacon we need to move towards!

FUCK.

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

I've heard Palin called "the future of the Republican Party" a dozen times today.

I can't believe conservatives are missing the point so goddamn hard. Palin didn't win a damn voter that wasn't already Republican and she sent many, many potential ones running for the hills. This woman should be picking Dr. Scholls out of her ass with how hard the party should be booting her out of the spotlight.

They have the perfect opportunity to distance themselves from the regressive bullshit she represented and make themselves viable again, it's sitting right there for the taking. Instead, they pick up the ball and head right towards their own end zone.

This shit makes me want to scream. I may lean left but it's in everyone's best interest that parties better themselves, I want so hard to see elections where I have to make a pained decision between two quality candidates. But no sir, You Betcha McGoo is the shining beacon we need to move towards!

FUCK.

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From foxnews, just now:

"We're told she didn't know what countries were in NAFTA. We're told she didn't know Africa was a continent, rather than a series of countries."

I don't think she was that bad.

YOU VOTED FOR BOB BARR

With all due respect, then you are a fucking moron.

Did you hear the Sarkozy prank call to her? She honestly thought she was speaking to a head of state, and she interacted with him like the wacky aunt from a National Lampoon movie. She is not national office material by any stretch of the imagination.

But she has executive experience.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

YOU VOTED FOR BOB BARR

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And you voted for Jimmy Carter Redux Barack Obama. I really hope it plays out well, but what little we have on his track record doesn't set my heart aflutter with hope. And the "one heartbeat" line can be applied to his ticket as well... holy fuck.

There is some good news coming from this, though. Essentially, the Democrats are no longer in a position to whine. The ball is in their court.

Health care for everyone? Get on it.

Alternative fuels? Make it happen.

End the Iraq War? Any day now.

Illegal amnesty? Just a penstroke away.

Balanced budget? Chop chop.

All the obstacles have been removed. We'll see between now and 2010 whether or not the Dems actually give a shit about the pet causes of the true believers. We'll see...

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

With all due respect, then you are a fucking moron.

Did you hear the Sarkozy prank call to her? She honestly thought she was speaking to a head of state, and she interacted with him like the wacky aunt from a National Lampoon movie. She is not national office material by any stretch of the imagination.

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1. It was a private conversation, not a press conference. I talk very differently with my subordinates outside of work than I do at work.

2. She was handed the phone by a handler, who should have fucking known better.

3. I don't know what Sarkozy sounds like, either.

4. When the joke was revealed, she actually sounded pretty hip to the whole thing, until the mortified handler took the phone away.

Squall, please. The election's over. Why are you defending her? She's a moron.

She also did this:

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Originally Posted by Newsweek

One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

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Yeah, not that bad.

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Originally Posted by Brisco Bold

Squall, please. The election's over. Why are you defending her? She's a moron.

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Because she's not a moron. She was inexperienced and out of her element, but hardly a moron. You don't have that sort of meteoric rise to the governorship on the merits of your ineptitude, after all.

So I'll defend her as a person and a politician. As a VP pick, though, I've always said that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison was the correct choice. And I'm still right, and always will be.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Because she's not a moron. She was inexperienced and out of her element, but hardly a moron. You don't have that sort of meteoric rise to the governorship on the merits of your ineptitude, after all.

So I'll defend her as a person and a politician. As a VP pick, though, I've always said that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison was the correct choice. And I'm still right, and always will be.

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SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT!

SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT!

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Originally Posted by Brisco Bold

SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT!

SHE DIDN'T KNOW AFRICA WAS A CONTINENT!

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Prove it with a credible article that a real journalist will attach his or her name to.

Also from your dubious piece:

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At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said.

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<3 <3 <3

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Also from your dubious piece:

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Okay, here's my question for you: Why is my piece "dubious"? Because it uses unnamed sources? Do you not understand how journalism works?

It's Newsweek, for Christ's sake. A reputable news source.

This just seems unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

1. It was a private conversation, not a press conference. I talk very differently with my subordinates outside of work than I do at work.

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Making a first impression towards a potential fellow world leader is analogous to speaking with your subordinates outside of work?

I must say, I'm very concerned about your crack habit, squall.

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Originally Posted by Brisco Bold

Okay, here's my question for you: Why is my piece "dubious"? Because it uses unnamed sources? Do you not understand how journalism works?

It's Newsweek, for Christ's sake. A reputable news source.

This just seems unnecessary.

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If a name isn't attached to it, I keep my saltshaker handy, be it Newsweek, Gamespot, or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

Making a first impression towards a potential fellow world leader is analogous to speaking with your subordinates outside of work?

I must say, I'm very concerned about your crack habit, squall.

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France is our subordinate. What's not to get?

*exasperated*

Well, it's been fun ride in this thread. See you guys in 2012.

If it bleeds... we can kill it.
Schwarzenegger 2012

Squall do you have a crush on her or something? Is she really what you want the future of your Republican party to represent?

She's a terrible politician, a terrible speaker, and needs to be kept on a leash to not destroy a campaign, what about any of that endears her to you? You do realize there are much more qualified candidates that McCain could have chosen, male or female, and a lot of them are probably just as outraged as us on the left are that she was allowed to go so far.

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Originally Posted by Bacon McShig

I've heard Palin called "the future of the Republican Party" a dozen times today.

I can't believe conservatives are missing the point so goddamn hard. Palin didn't win a damn voter that wasn't already Republican and she sent many, many potential ones running for the hills. This woman should be picking Dr. Scholls out of her ass with how hard the party should be booting her out of the spotlight.

They have the perfect opportunity to distance themselves from the regressive bullshit she represented and make themselves viable again, it's sitting right there for the taking. Instead, they pick up the ball and head right towards their own end zone.

This shit makes me want to scream. I may lean left but it's in everyone's best interest that parties better themselves, I want so hard to see elections where I have to make a pained decision between two quality candidates. But no sir, You Betcha McGoo is the shining beacon we need to move towards!

FUCK.

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It won't let me rep you for this, but you deserve it.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

Squall do you have a crush on her or something? Is she really what you want the future of your Republican party to represent?

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My what?

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Because she's not a moron. She was inexperienced and out of her element, but hardly a moron.

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She was ignorant and completely out of her league, not to mention power-hungry, corrupt, entitled, and played dangerously fast and loose with her concept of the constitution. She has no place in public office.

"moron" is a relative term; compared to other state governers and vice presidential candidates, she more than qualifies. If we must compare her to the general populace, I'll settle for good old-fashioned "cunt."

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She was ignorant

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Ignorant of what?

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and completely out of her league,

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Agreed.

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not to mention power-hungry,

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Name one politician that isn't. You need power to get shit done.

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corrupt,

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She was cleared of the Troopergate mess. You must have missed that while you were jerking off to the election results. Try again, cupcake.

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entitled,

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Coming from an Obama supporter, that's just hilarious.

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and played dangerously fast and loose with her concept of the constitution.

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In what regard?

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She has no place in public office.

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That's an opinion. And an incorrect one, at that.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

"moron" is a relative term; compared to other state governers and vice presidential candidates, she more than qualifies. If we must compare her to the general populace, I'll settle for good old-fashioned "cunt."

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You really need to decide what you want to say before hitting "Submit Reply." This gets old quickly.

What makes her a cunt? And if she's a cunt, is Nancy Pelosi a cunt? Is Hillary Clinton a cunt? Is Michelle Obama a cunt?

So what your saying is, she was the perfect McCain choice, he couldn't have chosen any better, from a pool of qualified, respectable, Republican politicians? She was in fact, the cream of the crop.

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So what your saying is, she was the perfect McCain choice, he couldn't have chosen any better, from a pool of qualified, respectable, Republican politicians? She was in fact, the cream of the crop.

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So I'll defend her as a person and a politician. As a VP pick, though, I've always said that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison was the correct choice. And I'm still right, and always will be.

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Reading comprehension: if you have it, it's fabulous.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Reading comprehension: if you have it, it's fabulous.

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Ok so if you feel that way Johnny, what the fuck are you arguing about? The basis for what we are fucking saying is that she was a TERRIBLE VP CHOICE.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Ignorant of what?

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What being a National Politician entails, what she was doing to the campaign, general knowledge about other countries most candidates find important to know, general knowledge about her own country most candidate find important to know...

We get it Squall. you like playing devil's advocate, but how in gods name can you stand there and try to justify this woman after this much time is just mind boggling. I think you're secretly in love with her or something.


P.S. I wanna go even further with this. She represents everything that is wrong with the Republican party. If they have the nerve to ever run her again in any capacity whatsoever, they will pay for it even harder than they did this time. They need to get away from people like Palin. They need to return to true conservatism. How you or anyone can sit here and state she isn't representative of all the shit that is wrong with modern Republicans is just, insane.

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Ok so if you feel that way Johnny, what the fuck are you arguing about? The basis for what we are fucking saying is that she was a TERRIBLE VP CHOICE.

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I don't think she was a good VP choice at this point in time. Four to eight years from now, perhaps, but this was too much and too soon. I'm simply defending the baseless accusations that she is somehow a moron or a cunt.

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What being a National Politician entails, what she was doing to the campaign, general knowledge about other countries most candidates find important to know, general knowledge about her own country most candidate find important to know...

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Aside from being nervous on her first intensive national interviews, I never saw anything indicating that she lacks any of the above. She came across quite well in the debate.

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We get it Squall. you like playing devil's advocate, but how in gods you can stand there and try to justify this woman after this much time is just mind boggling. I think you're secretly in love with her or something.

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Damn, you fixed it before I could ridicule you. You're getting better.

The TYPICAL republican response, in this thread, to news they don't want to to believe, is to immediately try to discredit the news source. I think over the course of the thread they have somehow discredited EVERY viable news source, and beyond that, authors of books.

With a lot of bullshit reasons.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Aside from being nervous on her first intensive national interviews, I never saw anything indicating that she lacks any of the above. She came across quite well in the debate.

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She was in one debate and three major interviews. Her handlers wouldn't let her do anymore. The party itself put a media boycott on her. Why do you think they did these things? To protect her from herself. Any candidate that needs that kind of handling, is not cut out for politics squall.

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Damn, you fixed it before I could ridicule you. You're getting better.

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I type fast and fuck up the use of the word. I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing this shit from everyone. I know how to use it, but when you post on a fucking message board, you don't take the fucking time to proof read everything you say. For christ sake Burg doesn't even use capital letters, I don't hear anyone fucking with him.

Fuck.

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

The TYPICAL republican response, in this thread, to news they don't want to to believe, is to immediately try to discredit the news source. I think over the course of the thread they have somehow discredited EVERY viable news source, and beyond that, authors of books.

With a lot of bullshit reasons.

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They are in denial. They always are when shit doesn't go there way. Watch Yoshi's posts over the next week or so, and see what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Cowutopia

The TYPICAL republican response, in this thread, to news they don't want to to believe, is to immediately try to discredit the news source. I think over the course of the thread they have somehow discredited EVERY viable news source, and beyond that, authors of books.

With a lot of bullshit reasons.

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It's not a Republican response, it's a skeptical response. If a journalist creates something and refuses to own up to it by attaching his or her name, it makes me wonder. That doesn't it make it wrong by default, but eyebrows do go up. And I apply this standard to everyone, publication be damned.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Aside from being nervous on her first intensive national interviews, I never saw anything indicating that she lacks any of the above.

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"Nervous" as in "can't name any magazines she reads," "doesn't know her own party's foreign policy doctrine," and "not being able to even name a single supreme court case." Dude, she came off as a total bimbo in those interviews, and considering that the McCain team picked and chose who interviewed her, she has no one to blame but herself.

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She came across quite well in the debate.

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When the bar is on the floor, it's quite easy to hop over it. She came off as someone who was drilled with rehearsed answers that she spouted off like a parrot.

Shit, even McCain couldn't stand to hear her speak. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy

She was in one debate and three major interviews. Her handlers wouldn't let her do anymore. The party itself put a media boycott on her. Why do you think they did these things? To protect her from herself. Any candidate that needs that kind of handling, is not cut out for politics squall.

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One debate is the contemporary standard for vice presidential candidates.

Look, any shortcomings that you can point out against Palin can be reasonably chalked up to being a noob on the national scene. So what's Biden's excuse?

Bang.

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Originally Posted by MVS

Bang.

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Bang what? I'm still waiting on the names of the alleged journalists.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Ignorant of what?

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Politics. Particularly anything other than moral/religious issues that require no particular information or rationale.

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Name one politician that isn't. You need power to get shit done.

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But a stated intent to expand the powers of the vice presidential office beyond the already unconstitutional territory encroached on by Dick Cheney? That's a bit much.

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She was cleared of the Troopergate mess. You must have missed that while you were jerking off to the election results. Try again, cupcake.

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Cleared or not on technicalities of low, the tapes and evidence seem pretty clear. She's as corrupt as OJ is a murderer.
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In what regard?

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Claiming that she didn't think the press should have the legal right to criticize her under the constitution for one. Plus the aforementioned interpretation of the office she was running for.

Bobby Jindal was just on Fox News talking about reforming the Republic-HOLY SHIT ELECT ME IN FOUR YEARS

Coleman 1,211,644 42%
Franken 1,211,167 42%

Win until recount.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

I feel like we're in for a repeat of Clinton, meaning someone who panders to the left but then votes with the fiscal conservatives every chance he gets.

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If Obama votes with the fiscal conservatives every chance he gets, Burg and I will jerk each other off.

How about how everyone in the world thinks that CNN's "hologram" from last night was some real star wars shit, when it's just a green screen that adapts to camera angles.

People are idiots.

As soon as I saw Anderson Cooper interviewing Will i am's "hologram" I changed the channel and never changed it back.

I wonder if he started blowing the hologram after you changed the channel?

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As soon as I saw Anderson Cooper interviewing Will i am's "hologram" I changed the channel and never changed it back.

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It was the dance that put me off. AC looked like he wanted to kill himself.

Squall, this woman added nothing to McCain's ticket and in fact was the biggest blow to it. She wasn't a serious choice, but one borne of cynicism and headline grabbing potiental.

I'm probably the biggest feminist on this board and this woman was an insult, she was picked because she was photogenic and was reasoned she would pick up the hilary voters who wanted to see a woman, any woman in the white house. Equality is about being able to do a job because you're qualified to do it regardless of background/gender.

Hilary was qualified because she is smart enough and politicially savvy enough to get the votes and to craft legislation. She made that aparent when she pushed for healthcare reform back in the 90's. That was her thing, she is a senator in a fairly signifigant state. She has been tested politicially many times and finally had lost to Obama, whom many saw as a rising star in the democrat party.

Bush for all his faults did not offend his party's base on a rapid fire basis. He had experts from his father's era to appease the foreign policy hawks. The man is charismatic and he knows usually when to shut up. He spoke the language of politicial conservativism well and wove the god thing into it in a way that inspired people to think god and government could work. He brought his Texas educational reforms to the table (before the the problems were revealed in 2003) brought his family's money to the table.

Palin brought none of this, she came with a scandal (troopergate) kept herself embroiled in it (the report her campgain released didn't help) and continued the behavior and abuses that landed her in the scandal in the first place (150k spending spree). While her cutsy antics many have won her some support, the fact that she was blazingly stupid on her own party's foreign policy probably turned off anyone who was won over by McCain's foreign policy experience. She turned McCain's "mavrick" tag into a running gag and while her religious stances were right, she didn't inspire anyone with them like Bush did and infact scared a few people off with how scary she was at times (excorism on youtube?). She did not craft any signifigant legislation, nor have any insider politicial experience that would have brought in the donors.

I think McCain's biggest mistake was becoming a party insider for the presidential run. Everyone laments the fact that we rarely see the McCain of 1999, and i think that has some truth to it. He let himself be handled by the handlers and this cost him. On paper he's a far superior candidate than Obama (there I said it), he's been in the lead on several major legislative reforms and is one of the few republicians who can run honestly as a reformer and could cast himself as the answer to the Corporatists that have run politics in America since Reagan. Unlike Obama he's not constantly embroiled in scandel (rezco, ayers, wright) but he also tried to showboat in fairly obvious ways like Palin, the I'm suspending my run to fix this and such. He played a very cynicial run, asuming the worst in human nature, making blindingly obvious moves that almost made him look like a satire of a Republician. While I'm glad he lost to Obama, in my mind he should have won, he was the better canidiate.

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If Obama votes with the fiscal conservatives every chance he gets, Burg and I will jerk each other off.

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That's a mental image I could have gone the rest of my life never having.

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I wonder if he started blowing the hologram after you changed the channel?

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I actually didn't know he was gay until yesterday.

Whatever, he likes Pavement, so he's always been golden in my book.

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Originally Posted by SpoDaddy

I wonder if he started blowing the hologram after you changed the channel?

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BECAUSE GAY PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ABOUT SEX, RIGHT?

Anderson Cooper is gay?

He's Wikipedia Gay.

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

Bang what? I'm still waiting on the names of the alleged journalists.

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the man on the tv on the right there clearly attached his fox news face to this story

edit - his name is carl cameron, and he reported the story

sorry there isn't a youtube for you to believe

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Originally Posted by stormy

Anderson Cooper is awesome?

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Fixed.

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Fixed.

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Then you would love CNN International. It's like the Anderson Cooper channel. He's on 24/7. (do you get that in Canada? I watched it a lot when I was over seas since it was pretty much all I could get in english)

me and spo also jerk each other off to anderson cooper

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Then you would love CNN International. It's like the Anderson Cooper channel. He's on 24/7. (do you get that in Canada? I watched it a lot when I was over seas since it was pretty much all I could get in english)

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Nah. We see everything you guys see. Well, on basic cable, anyway.

I love this:

"The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

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Originally Posted by squall_vb

What makes her a cunt? And if she's a cunt, is Nancy Pelosi a cunt? Is Hillary Clinton a cunt? Is Michelle Obama a cunt?

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Yes, yes and too early to call. Cunt is as much a look as it is an attitude.

Hillary is like the alpha cunt.

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Originally Posted by TODE

Well, Nader's dead. (er, double-dead)



He's got a good point, but did he have to refer to Obama as an Uncle Tom?

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This clip really pisses me off. It's a great example of how terrible and sensational not just the news, but public opinion can be. The truth is that Nader isn't even close to being racist and clearly cares more about minorities in this country than many other politicians. But that guy had no intention of talking about Nader's use of the word, only to try to shame him into apologizing. He didn't even seem to understand what it was he was trying to say in the first place, which isn't very controversial at all. Agh.

hillary has other attributes that counterbalance her cuntiness

palin is nothing but cunt

Can we rename this to the "cry about politics thread"

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Originally Posted by Salsashark

He didn't even seem to understand what it was he was trying to say in the first place, which isn't very controversial at all.

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he could have said "house nigger" instead of "uncle tom" (though it would have disrupted his iambic pentameter) and sure we all really know he wouldn't really think obama's a house nigger but that wouldn't make the metaphor much more acceptable

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Originally Posted by Mr-K

As soon as I saw Anderson Cooper interviewing Will i am's "hologram" I changed the channel and never changed it back.

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WTF!? So this one trick pony isn't going away now?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...373766&ps=cprs

Hey, crazy. Yoshi did an interview with NPR. (actually it's David Duke! so remember, when you hear about A.A., it is his Main Issue.)

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Originally Posted by burgundy

he could have said "house nigger" instead of "uncle tom" (though it would have disrupted his iambic pentameter) and sure we all really know he wouldn't really think obama's a house nigger but that wouldn't make the metaphor much more acceptable

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I don't even see what's wrong with the metaphor. He's saying Obama's the first black president, but it depends on what he does whether or not he'll do the honor justice. Everyone is making a big deal out of the fact that he's the first black president, as they should be, but Nader's just saying he can be a good black president or a bad one. This is obvious enough to anyone.

I think his wording was obviously bad in that people will have a knee-jerk reaction to it whether they know what Uncle Tom actually refers to or not, because it's not PC and a marker for racism. He explains himself pretty well in that clip, but no one listens.

he essentially questioned whether obama would be house nigger for corporate interests

do you think he would have questioned whether john mccain would be house nigger for corporate interests?

nader's point was valid - it's OBVIOUSLY his choice of words that he is properly getting stomped for

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Originally Posted by burgundy

he essentially questioned whether obama would be house nigger for corporate interests

do you think he would have questioned whether john mccain would be house nigger for corporate interests?

nader's point was valid - it's OBVIOUSLY his choice of words that he is properly getting stomped for

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They even asked him SPECIFICALLY if he was sorry for his choice of words used.

That was his out right there, he could have said, yeah I should not have used Uncle Tom, that was stupid.

But no, he said he wasn't sorry in the least and continued right on.

It just really bothers me that he said something unwise, but not wrong. And most people wouldn't see it that way.

That knee-jerk offense and holier-than-thou attitude that those Fox News people (and surely any news people would do the same) took strikes me as really fake. If Chris Rock had made the same comment, would people care?

But yeah, I'm not really arguing with you. Ha.

He had an out, he didn't take it.

Anything from this point forward is his own fault.

That much is clear, he's a stubborn old dude.

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Originally Posted by MVS

Bang.

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so, anyone else catch the poly speak that equated to "mccain picked palin purely as a political move, not because he thought she would make a good vp" in there?

I did

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Originally Posted by Salsashark

It just really bothers me that he said something unwise, but not wrong. And most people wouldn't see it that way.

That knee-jerk offense and holier-than-thou attitude that those Fox News people (and surely any news people would do the same) took strikes me as really fake. If Chris Rock had made the same comment, would people care?

But yeah, I'm not really arguing with you. Ha.

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I think he is probably really old and comes from a time when such things were ok to say. It probably has a different meaning to him than to young people.

And like I said earlier, everyone better get used to stupid people calling Obama shit like that.

You better believe he is going to get called Uncle Tom, House nigger, and white washed every time he does anything to piss the stereotypical black population off.

If he doesn't delivier the moon, people are going to attack his race.

We've come a long way, but not that long of a way.

there's a pretty big difference between my crazy uncle saying it and a presidential candidate saying and repeating it on TV

btw <3 bobby jindal more every time i see him

yeah, you let your family be assholes.

Edit: Not worth it, I'm not even arguing!

I wonder if people who believe Obama to be a Muslim terrorist will continue to believe that throughout his whole term, living in fear.

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Originally Posted by burgundy

me and spo also jerk each other off to anderson cooper

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shhhhh...

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Originally Posted by Salsashark

I wonder if people who believe Obama to be a Muslim terrorist will continue to believe that throughout his whole term, living in fear.

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First time he bombs some shit I think they might turn around.

GUYS. LISTEN

Owlbama names his head of staff as Rahm Emanuowl?


DO YOU SEE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

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Originally Posted by Brisco Bold

Hey guys, wanna see Newsweek's piece on the secrets of the campaign?

Newsweek's journos were afforded unprecedented access to both campaigns on the condition that they weren't to release any information until after the election.

Fun stuff I've read so far:

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There is some really fascinating stuff in here. It's really interesting to hear about how reluctant Obama was at first and how it was the old guard and friends of Kennedy that pushed him into it.

Some of the Clinton stuff is interesting too. The part where they talk about Bill Clinton's womanizing as a liability they were all aware of is funny. Apparently they called the plane Bill would travel with his friend Ron Burkle on as "Air Fuck One."

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

so, anyone else catch the poly speak that equated to "mccain picked palin purely as a political move, not because he thought she would make a good vp" in there?

I did

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True, but aren't they all?

Biden was picked to shore up Obama's lack of experience.

Palin was McCain's trump card. She's decent looking, appeals to the White Jesus base, would pull in bitter Hillary Women, and on and on. Great risk, great reward (still doesn't excuse not vetting her, but whatever) and things will be awesome.

Then, she spoke.

And I don't want to defend her--ever--she is a retard, but she's not the one who should get the blame here. McCain agreed to the suggestion to take her, just as he agreed to all the other things he did.

I know the RNC is going to throw it all on her, but they should realize the fault lies not within their star, but within McCain himself.

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Originally Posted by MVS

And I don't want to defend her--ever--she is a retard, but she's not the one who should get the blame here. McCain agreed to the suggestion to take her, just as he agreed to all the other things he did.

I know the RNC is going to throw it all on her, but they should realize the fault lies not within their star, but within McCain himself.

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I actually really liked the way the fox news interview guy put it, it was a hail mary play that didn't work out.

I do think she is far worse than Bush.

Edit: That newsweek stuff so far is REALLY good. Pity it is requisited to come after the election. I am just getting to like McCain heh.

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Originally Posted by MVS

And I don't want to defend her--ever--she is a retard, but she's not the one who should get the blame here. McCain agreed to the suggestion to take her, just as he agreed to all the other things he did.

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Actually, it looks like she jumped the gun on some of the negative strategies without McCain signing off on them. She may have dragged McCain into some places he didn't want to go.

But you're right that McCain did agree to pick her, and that was a fatal mistake.

And let us not forget, the best moment of 'sit the fuck down' that came out of this entire campaign.

Death Cackle


In all seriousness, had she not been as brutal as she was in the primary, things would have been a lot tougher for Obama. By the time McCain got to him, he was largely spouting the same things she did and they did not play.

Edit: Holy shit, look at the crowd meter at the end.

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Originally Posted by Destin

I actually really liked the way the fox news interview guy put it, it was a hail mary play that didn't work out.

I actually think she is far worse than bush, personally.

Edit: That newsweek stuff so far is REALLY good. Pity it is requisited to come after the election. I am just getting to like McCain heh.

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The problem is, that it was a Hail Mary pass on 2 and 7 with 8 minutes to go in the 4th and down by 13.

I really want to read a tell-all book that goes through all 3 campains (Clinton v Obama, Obama v McCain). That will be epic, but, reading the bit about the Clinton's in the NW writeup right now, is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Actually, it looks like she jumped the gun on some of the negative strategies without McCain signing off on them. She may have dragged McCain into some places he didn't want to go.

But you're right that McCain did agree to pick her, and that was a fatal mistake.

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Again, yeah, she should have towed the party line and all that, but she's a Mavrick, don't cha know.

In all seriousness, this is the type of shit McCain should have spoken to her about before selecting her, but I think he wanted the nation, and especially Obama, to hear her selection and think "Oh, snap!". It's clear in hindsight that when someone is now discribing her family as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast" she's near uncontrollable.

You Gone Broke and Sarah Palin: A Bridge Too Far will be scribed on McCain's 2008 Campaign forever now.

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Originally Posted by MVS

It's clear in hindsight that when someone is now discribing her family as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast" she's near uncontrollable.

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When you read about what the Clinton campaign was spending it makes this sound like nothing, by the way. A $100,000 bill to a grocery store?

McCain camp is going to throw Palin under the bus in both fair and unfair ways in the coming weeks. I don't really care about her clothes, it's the shit she says that bothers me.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

When you read about what the Clinton campaign was spending it makes this sound like nothing, by the way. A $100,000 bill to a grocery store?

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I know, if I spent 1,000 at the store just for me, I'd have enough food to last 2 months. This shit:

The Clinton campaign blew through cash: fancy hotels like the Bellagio in Las Vegas and the Four Seasons everywhere; thousands of dollars on flowers and valet parking; and one memorable $100,000 grocery bill at a Des Moines supermarket. Hillary never spent a night in a motel in rural Iowa if she could possibly avoid it. She preferred to overnight in the Presidential Suite in the Des Moines Embassy Suites and to fly alone in private jets, without the press or staff.

wtf was she thinking?

I thought the Palin clothes thing was ridiculous. Campaigns spend how many millions on publicity and marketing? It's just a part of those costs. She has to look the part to project the image. I can't believe such a silly little story went on for as many days as it did.

Anybody see Condoleeza today talking about what a great victory this was for America? I guess it's good to see non-partisanship & all but damn if it didn't look like the Secretary of State breaking ranks to stick with the brotherman best move she ever made.

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Originally Posted by MVS

The problem is, that it was a Hail Mary pass on 2 and 7 with 8 minutes to go in the 4th and down by 13.

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More than that, they weren't even down. But I guess they thought stupid played in Peoria after Dubya and she'd seem folksy, not idiotic.

I'm sure the guy that got the bill thought it was much less 'part of the cost'.

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

A Palin aide said: "Governor Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense. Nasty and false accusations following a defeat say more about the person who made them than they do about Governor Palin."

McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.

Fuck. Where was this Cressbeckler-like charm before yesterday?

+1 McCain.