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I honestly think that as time goes on McCain is going to be revealed as a more and more likable candidate who was either dragged by his campaign to compromise himself or doing what he thought he had to to win. Either way. he still had a poorly managed, sort of insane campaign and that doesn't exactly scream "Awesome President"
Palin sez she ain't THAT dumb. O RLY?
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Pleasant segment from the Rachel Maddow show.
She gets it.
I've always assumed much of this to be the case, but the way I see it, if he can't show definitive leadership of his own campaign, he certainly can't lead the country. That doesn't make him a bad man, it just means he's not the leader he thought he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr-K
As long as the old McCain sticks around since showing up to give his consession speech, I have no problem with that. I actually saw a van with a "hockey mom" driving around today with a "Palin 2012" sticker. I'll see if the pic I took with my phone came out well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I appreciated Stewart pointing out once again that we need electoral college reform as Obama pulled huge "numbers", yet the popular count is far far closer. Hopefully McCain will get behind it just like he did with campaign finance reform in 2000.
Bill Maher on comedians' problems with Obama:
Awesome find Brisco. It's really interesting to read all the behind the scenes stuff after following this so closely for the past two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
Larry King really finds Bill Maher hillarious.
He's the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by stormy
Even I got tired of his idiocy about milk and shit after awhile. I mean, seriously, how can you hate on milk?
Maher's not big on silly things like "modern medicine" or "other people having religious views". I think he is on the board at PETA.
Eh, I don't think the two correlate. McCain has an extreme distaste for the sleazy partisan side of politics, which is what makes him such a refreshing politician. The flipside of that is that he doesn't want to do the things a candidate needs to do to win a modern campaign. I've never seen a candidate more averse to even trying to "stay on message", let alone running negative ads, than John McCain. Had he been elected he would have been a great post-partisan president (which I'm hoping Obama will be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
New site detailing everything Obama's admin is doing and everything you wanna tell him about; and believe it, it is at CHANGE.GOV.
(It must be getting HAMMERED because I still can't get in.)
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I agree with Maher, though, it really is awesome having a person in the White House who doesn't try to hide how smart he is.
Maher is one of those guys that allowed his cripplingly-low self esteem to translate into a grossly-inflated assessment of his own intelligence. As the years went by he had to find more and more "causes" to show everyone how much smarter than them he is. At this point you've got to just pity him and hope he finds a good therapist someday so he can work it all out.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
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Originally Posted by TODE
The tubes are clogged. Call Joe the Plumber!Quote:
Originally Posted by change.gov
I still can't believe a serious, 21st-century candidate was trotting out a man known as JOE THE PLUMBER to win a NATIONAL ELECTION.
That probably cost him a lot of votes right there.
McCain knew early on that the stars were aligned against him and he was right. Running after Bush, against Obama and his quarter of a billion dollars, at the start of a second Great Depression, he never had a realistic shot. Once the economy went down in September the race was over. McCain took lots of crazy risks because he understood that he couldn't win if he didn't.
But... he lost.
Also in hindsight I think we can all agree that the Dems won all four debates now, yes?
McCain needed to take crazy risks and have them all pay off. They didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODE
What Spo is saying is that McCain had nothing to lose so he played all the longshots he had just to see if anything stuck. It didn't, but on some level you have to admire the bravado in trying.
Or he could have just gone with what made people like him in first place: Being himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
A presidential campaign shouldn't have too many things in common with an episode of Jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gozen
I'm going to say those risks were bad ideas. They pushed people away, they didn't just not stick, they completely ruined any hope of him winning, and he still almost won (lol popular vote vs electoral collage)
A moderate that disagreed with Bush and called evangelical ministers 'agents of intolerance'? Yeah, he wouldn't have even made it to the general election. That was the problem. He had to compromise everything admirable about himself to win the nomination, and then when he came out of the primaries he was left in a hole he couldn't climb out of and lost his appeal to independents.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODE
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
He should have stuck by his guns and what made him likable to independents in the first place. All he did was alienate the crossover vote.
I hate that John McCain isn't allowed to be right and win an election :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
This is why the republican party is about to go into meltdown. There's going to be a lot of cannibalism and finger pointing happening over the course of the next year. Palin is the favored scapegoat, though I'll enjoy seeing McCain's campaign managers dragged out into the street. That "Tucker" dude? First against the wall.
He needed to take the right risks, and he showed poor judgment. If he put an independent economy guy like bloomberg on the ticket he could have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I'm blatantly stealing this from another forum, but it's awesome so who cares:
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IBTMFN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
No he couldn't. The Republican base sees McCain as a RINO as it is; if he chose a guy that abandoned the Republican party as his running mate the base would either stay home or vote Obama. The best play was to pick Palin to energize the campaign and hope she was able to learn how to be a national figure overnight (which she wasn't). McCain's biggest mistake was not coming out on September 15th and focusing on how he tried to force more regulations on Frannie and Freddie in 2003, 2005, and 2006. He stumbled, Obama seized the opportunity to define him, and it was all over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Doesn't matter. I get the logic, but the fact is, the republican base wouldn't break for Obama, and they weren't mobilized to the polls, in fact turning out in lower numbers than '04 and '00. McCain's rationale was wrong; he targeted a demographic that let him down, and they would have let him down regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
There was a delicious block of undecided voters ripe for the picking until very late in this campaign. He could have gotten them. He didn't try, and he lost as a result.
The republican "base" is dead. They're irrelevant now. This election shows they have lost the war. They cannot win an election without the middle.
One might say all their base (R) belong to U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
the republican base is a bunch of idiots who love a fellow moron like palin. ronald reagan was the most conservative president we've had since before the new deal and america loved the shit out of him. it's not the conservative ideology that lost america as much as it was palin looking like a complete jackass after 8 years of president jackass.
seriously, why is this hard? run a conservative who can keep his foot out of his mouth and the focus will be forced to the issues. and then the conservatives will come out and vote their issues! or watch sarah palin scare the fuck out of everyone who is more qualified to run the country than she is so that they actually vote AGAINST their issues. your call GOP.
in fact, i think the brain trust on right pushed palin because they knew she was a disaster and wanted to expose her during a campaign that was pretty much doomed anyway. why burn your blue chip prospects on john mccain as he marched through a headwind and into an avalanche?
Truth. I guess what I was saying is that the concept of hillbillies with torches and pitchforks as the true base of the republican party is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I further think we should make Election Day a national holiday or do it on a Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana
Anti-semite.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Perhaps the failing is not the economic meltdown, but his the way he 'handled' it. Just as all the other things he tried to do made him come off as someone who grew increasingly desperate, was willing to risk far too much and was woefully out of touch with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Or we could do it on a Sunday, when the uber-religious' powers are at their peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Patty is not amused.
But Where Did Bush Go Wrong?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
After losing control of the Senate and 30 House seats in 2006, the GOP is bracing for losses of six to nine in the Senate, and two dozen to three dozen additional seats in the House.
If the party "were a dog food," says Rep. Tom Davis, "they would take us off the shelf."
Bush's approval is 25 percent. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton left office with ratings more than twice as high.
But while John McCain and others have deplored the Bush failures, what, exactly, did he do wrong?
What were the policy blunders to which Republicans vehemently objected at the time?
That Bush is a Big Government Republican is undeniable. His two great social spending initiatives, prescription drug benefits for seniors under Medicare and No Child Left Behind, so testify. But how many Republicans opposed Bush on these initiatives? How many have called for the abolition of either program, or for raising payroll taxes to pay for prescription drugs?
McCain now supports the Bush judges and justices and the Bush tax cuts, as do almost all Republicans.
True, Bush sought amnesty for illegal aliens and backs the free-trade globalism that exported our manufacturing base and 3 million to 4 million jobs. But McCain is even more enthusiastic about both.
Does the party dissent on free trade and mass immigration?
Two-thirds of Americans now believe the Iraq war a mistake. Yet, all but a few Republicans backed the war. At the time of "Mission Accomplished!" in May 2003, the nation gave Bush a 90 percent approval rating, as his father had after Desert Storm.
What turned America against the war was not the decision to invade, oust Saddam, destroy the weapons of mass destruction and depart, but the long, bloody slog, the five-year war, with nearly 5,000 dead, that Iraq became. It was not the lightning war of Tommy Franks, with journalists riding tanks into Baghdad, that soured America, but the unanticipated duration and cost of the war.
Yet, Republicans still believe that the war was not a mistake, only mishandled. And now that Gen. Petraeus got it right in Iraq, they say, we should pursue the Petraeus policy in Afghanistan.
How many Republicans have repudiated the Bush Doctrine that got us into Iraq -- the belief that only by making the world democratic can we keep America secure and free?
Americans no longer believe that, if ever they did. And history proves them right. For Iraq has never been democratic, and America has always been free. Yet, the Republican Party has never renounced the Bush Doctrine
Indeed, it is being applied today in Afghanistan.
That war, too, after we failed at Tora Bora to capture or kill bin Laden, has become a long slog to create a democratic Afghanistan, which, like a democratic Iraq, has never before existed.
In Afghanistan, we are entering the eighth year of war with victory further away than ever. The Taliban grows stronger. U.S. casualties are surging. Opium exports are breaking records. Our NATO allies grow weary. Even the Brits are talking of reconciliation with the Taliban, perhaps accepting a dictator.
These two wars helped to cripple the Bush presidency and end the GOP ascendancy. Yet, at the highest levels of the party, one hears no serious questioning of the ideology that produced these wars. McCain has pledged to stay in Iraq until "victory" and send 10,000 more troops to Afghanistan.
Nor have Republicans objected to the U.S. air strikes that have killed hundreds of Afghans, or the Predator strikes that have inflamed Pakistan or the helicopter raid into Syria that humiliated Damascus and enraged the population. If Republicans disagree with these policies and actions, their voices are muted.
Bush is for facing down Russia and bringing Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. Does any Republican disagree? For McCain is more hawkish than Bush when it come to Moscow.
The party says it is losing because the economy went south. But who caused that? Was it not because Republicans colluded with Democrats in pushing "affordable housing," subprime mortgages, for folks who could not afford houses?
Is the GOP prepared to demand tough terms for home loans?
Was it not GOP presidents who appointed the Fed chairmen who pumped up the money supply and created the bubble? How many Republicans objected to the easy money when the going was good?
The country wishes to be rid of the Bush policies and the Bush presidency. But where does the Republican Party think Bush went wrong, other than to be asleep at the wheel during Katrina?
The GOP needs to confront the truth: The failure of the Bush presidency lies not in a failed execution of policy but in the policies themselves and the neoconservative ideology that informed them.
Yet, still, the party remains in denial, refusing to come to terms with the causes of its misfortune. One expects they will be given the time and opportunity for reflection soon.
"The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves.
Obama's chief of staff, Jim Messina, had slept only a few hours when his cell phone rang. It was still dark on the morning of Aug. 29. Messina and a few other staffers had gone to a bar to carouse after Obama's speech.
"Get your ass up," said the voice on the other end. "They picked Palin."
Messina could not mistake Plouffe's flat, no-nonsense voice, but he was still groggy. "Fuck you," he said. "Why are you waking me up? Stop teasing me." "I'm serious," said Plouffe. "Get up and get your team together." Messina stumbled out of bed, thinking that Republicans must really be panicking, that they would never pick someone like Sarah Palin unless they were desperate.
Obama's plane was taking off from Denver airport around 9 a.m. when Axelrod got confirmation that McCain had indeed picked Palin as his running mate. He went to the front cabin to tell Obama and his new running mate, Joe Biden. Biden asked, "Who's Palin?"
McCain had initially wanted Joe Lieberman. The two senators were fellow romantics, deeply imbued with a sense of righteousness and honor. In mid-August, when NEWSWEEK's editor Jon Meacham was interviewing McCain aboard the campaign plane, the discussion turned to "The Winds of War," Herman Wouk's mega-bestseller about World War II. The main character, a naval commander named Pug Henry, was a favorite of McCain's. As it turned out, Lieberman—sitting just across the aisle and listening in on the NEWSWEEK interview—was a friend of Herman Wouk. "Let's go see Herman!" Lieberman piped up. "Yes!" exclaimed McCain. The two began planning a road trip out to Wouk's California home. "We can shake the money tree," McCain cackled (Wouk lives among the wealthy in Palm Springs, Calif.). McCain loved to travel with Lieberman, a fellow maverick who had stood fast on Iraq, nearly at the cost of his Senate seat in liberal Connecticut. McCain's other traveling buddy, Lindsey Graham, urged McCain to pick Lieberman, still a nominal Democrat, as a way to show that McCain put country over party label—and as a way to answer the Democrats' choice of the first African-American presidential nominee. "We've got to match history with history," Graham declared.
One of the few things I agree with Buchanan about.Quote:
What turned America against the war was not the decision to invade, oust Saddam, destroy the weapons of mass destruction and depart, but the long, bloody slog, the five-year war, with nearly 5,000 dead, that Iraq became. It was not the lightning war of Tommy Franks, with journalists riding tanks into Baghdad, that soured America, but the unanticipated duration and cost of the war.
part 6 of 7
http://www.newsweek.com/id/167950
Here, Doc wants you guys to watch some young republicans with shiny foreheads talk and play beer pong: http://video.newsweek.com/#?t=1902591231&l=1825927394
Self-banned from posting except by proxy or viewing?
wat?
It's Doc, Idontfuckingknow. Turns out he and biff have the same IP address.
Maybe they share the same bed and computer?
You're a computer.
Doc gave me rep today. Guess he's just lurking?
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These Newsweek articles would make a great movie.
I wish he would return. The Best Election Evar isn't over yet, and it's rude to duck out of your own party early.
Won't happen. It was predicted that this would happen in 2000/2004 with the democrats. What happened? Howard Dean became DNC chief and reworked the party, looking for inside players to run in the future. Kerry was a weak first play. They picked up with Obama and Hilary in 2008, the 50 state strat and full on money from internet fund raising.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
If the GOP can take a similar 50 state strat or find another Karl Rove who knows how to push the numbers in teh right ways...
No, he needed to run a solid campaign from the start. I'm begining to think he could never win nationally under the R flag because of all the damage he's taken internally from the RINO thing and the fact that the base doesn't see him as one of their own like they do Bush and Reagan. Rudy suffers from the same problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I doubt they wanted to expose Palin like this, under different circumstances she could be a serious contender like Bush was. She's got the charisma and the track record issue wise for a Presidential run, but she's a walking media bomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Anybody see the stuff about Palin not knowing Africa's a continent or being unable to name the 3 countries in NAFTA?
We all dodged a bullet this year.
Go look at Limbaugh's website, if only for a second. "WHO BENEFITS FROM TEARING DOWN SARAH PALIN???"
Well, shit, Rush. All of us! That man has to be a miserable pile of conspiracies this week.
Well, if we keep tearing her down then she may be dumb enough to take an offer from Playboy to strip off the $150k suits.
Pfft, I've been a machine for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
MY EYES! ZE GOGGLES DO NUH-ZING!Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
His audience eats that shit up! Just amazing. I like the ironic/not-ironic/back-to-ironic-again "Pearls of Wisdom" sidebar of his.
She'd be the ugliest broad to ever get the privilege, bar-none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana
How did Josh not support this man?Quote:
When distracted or restless, a not infrequent occasion, McCain could be tempted to play the high-school prankster. Once at a press availability in Kentucky he spotted a large woman, who was wearing a black T shirt embroidered with two bedazzling martini glasses, standing behind the photographers. He asked her to stand by him at the podium, where she might have a better view. "Is this OK?" he asked. "This is fi-ine!" the lady replied, but as she saw a sea of cameras and smirking reporters, she looked stunned and slightly embarrassed. She started to sidle away, and McCain asked, with mock forlornness, "You leaving me?"
Hmm... I think she would be better than the Women of Enron, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
It suddenly occurs to me that John McCain is the real secret muslim. Who else uses the phrase "My friend" in every sentence?
Or a commie. KOMMRADE
KOMMRADICH imo.
Not even close. Palin is severely fuckable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Every woman in playboy is. Much more so than her. Palin's not a monster, she's good looking for a governor, but she ain't no spring chicken, and wasn't a supermodel to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
so you wouldn't hit it frog?
You were so close Spo, I just had to fix it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I'd fuck a lot of women that no one would pay to see in a magazine.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
Spo is like Pootie Tang. He can't stand by and see a woman not lovin' herself. He's gonna put the love in her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Yeah, sersiously what is up with that Obama-is-the-Riddler graphic? He's just a big political pornographer.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
The miracles of their retouch department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
:nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
:lol: @ Pootie-Tang
You can't beat a ho with a belt... they like that shit.
TNL = FRONT.
Everyone on this board (Mars included) would hit Palin.
Twice.
Oh, by the way, Dirty Dee (a.k.a. DON'T FUCK WITH QUERNS) was in my store the other day!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
He had on an Obama shirt.
Absolutely. And some might even go on to have sex with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
I think she is kind of hot. But in a conflicted way. See, she's hot, cause she looks smart. However, she does not talk like she is smart.
Reading the rest of this newsweek article gives some great insights into the public and private personae of the candidates. There really is a way in which Obama is a very detached, calculated, somewhat grandiose quality to him. He seems to float above whatever he's embroiled in with calculated, soaring rhetoric, and even privately he's very distant and hard to read. This may not necessarily make him likable in the way Bill Clinton or G Dubs appealed to ordinary folks, but what better skill could a president have? He's steely, unflappable, and knows how to keep from tipping his hand. I think those qualities will serve him well.
did you just say "unflappable" ?
It's a real word.
QFMFT. +1 (if I can rep you anymore)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
That's awesome, did anyone seem to recognize him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
Chris Matthews continues to frighten me. From Morning Joe this morning:
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CHRIS MATTHEWS: Yeah, well, you know what? I want to do everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work, and I think that --
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Is that your job? You just talked about being a journalist!
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Yeah, it is my job. My job is to help this country.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Your job is the make this presidency work?
CHRIS MATTHEWS: To make this work successfully. This country needs a successful presidency.
Is she Asian?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
1 time at most
Those newsweek articles are probably some of the best and most interesting articles I've ever read. Holy shit.
Which is why you should have something stuffed in her mouth at all times while getting some.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
It's already happening. Democrats =/= Republicans. Like I said, go look at Rush. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
Hey, did Yoshi take part in a bet like Biff? Haven't seen him around here lately.
I wonder what he thought of President-elect Obama's acceptance speech?
Speaking of which... Obama's first press conference at 2:30p EST/ 11:30a PST.
Also, one of the four senate races has been decided, Oregon went blue. :) That leaves Alaska, Minnesota, and Georgia.
Yoshi has been hit hard by Obama's taxes already and can no longer afford his internet bills
I love looking at hard-right blogs today. They're all the Grinch. Look at Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter (but as with Rush, THE GOGGLES).
Uh, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle Malkin
Regardless of policy squabbles, if you can look at people that are feeling inspired, ambitious, and hopeful and turn that into a bad thing, you don't have a heart. But then we are talking about Ann Coulter.
Best of Yoshi, from post #3500, 7/10/08:
Frog: You act like McCain is going to win anyway.
Yoshi: Considering Obama's base of voters is lazy almost by definition, the odds are pretty good. Making an effort to vote doesn't fit into the busy schedule of cashing a welfare check and spending it at the liquor store. People who actualy earn a good living vote for the party that actually makes sense instead of the one that promises something for nothing.
I had no idea America was like 53% lazy people. :o
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/m...11/1ablack.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Michelle Malkin
Fuck! I need that shirt.
link to purchase t-shirt pls
"Mmmm... The blood of my party is so delicious, om nom nom"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann Coulter
Keep feasting, Republicans.
And you know, Coulter reminds me of that T-1000 chick they have on the Terminator show now.
I keep hearing that the likes of Sarah Palin is "the future of the Republican party."
The future is not set.
Schwarzenegger 2012
Sarah Palin isn't just "the future"... she is the "right now and the last eight years", we just didn't know it at the time.