Fuck you. And fuck your Republican Bullshit Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Jesus fucking Christ your a moron.
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Fuck you. And fuck your Republican Bullshit Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Jesus fucking Christ your a moron.
Personal attacks are not allowed in sound off sir :)
Spo isn't a person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Stop with the name-calling. It makes everyone look bad.
"You are".
Don't say things you don't mean YAWA, have a drink and come back to bed.
Ahem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewis Black
Let's card him too, the bastard!
I still have no idea who the fuck I'm voting for. Deep down, I hope that there will be some sort of proceedings at the Democratic convention that will result in a dark horse candidate receiving the nomination. I know it's not going to happen, but it's possible, and I'm allowed to dream.
McCain represents a continuation of Bush's failed policies, particularly in regards to the War in Iraq. On principle, I cannot vote for him, regardless of my great respect for him as a person and his service to our country.
Barring some back room shenanigans, Clinton isn't getting the nomination. Moving right along.
Obama has never struck me as a person of substance and capability. He can deliver one hell of a speech, but I have personal qualms about his ability to operate effectively as chief executive. The only thing he has done that impresses me is his unwavering opposition to the War in Iraq.
Of course, that's one more positive point than I can give to the other candidates. I guess that makes me, by default, an Obama supporter... albeit a very, very reluctant one. My mind isn't completely made up, but as it stands now, he's the only candidate that I could vote for and still keep a clean conscience.
No, Frog. Hell hasn't frozen over. I'm just really fed up.
Glad you picked up on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
haha.
I'll take the card, it was worth it. I had to get it out of my system. Its the first one I've ever had I think.
Obama's campaign has dwindled some of my support for him. I still like his ideas -- college tuition in exchange for community service, free trade meaning fair trade or having foreign companies live up to our standards in wages, safety and the environment, and offering a clean slate approach to diplomacy.
However my new polito-crush is on Jim Webb...
Fresh Air interview
...pretty much for this reason alone:
wikiQuote:
Terse exchange with President Bush
On November 28, 2006, at a White House reception for those newly elected to Congress, Webb declined to stand in the line to have his picture taken with the president, whom Webb often criticized during the campaign. The president approached Webb later and asked him, "How's your boy?", referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq. According to Congressman Jim Moran of Virginia, aides warned the President to be "extra sensitive about talking to Webb about his son, since Webb's son has had a recent brush with death in Iraq." Webb replied "I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President." Bush responded, "That's not what I asked you. How's your boy?" Webb responded, "That's between me and my boy, Mr. President." The Hill cited an anonymous source who claimed that Webb was so angered by the exchange that he confessed he was tempted to "slug" the president, but of course did not. Webb later remarked in an interview, "I'm not particularly interested in having a picture of me and George W. Bush on my wall."
I voted for him, and I'm so proud of myself for it. :) He continues to impress on so many levels. (The new GI Bill he's pushing this week only furthers my satisfaction in his performance.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Popped.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
lol, trading rep for that? You guys crack me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I'll take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
You've got to admit he was right on the money with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
This line, written exactly like this, is the best line TNLers ever say.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
It's not YAWA's brain that I love him for.
I am against artificial wage equality.
I am against Janeane Garafolo.
I am as against unchecked captialism as I am all communism.
I am against ideas that try to use a roundabout way to solve a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by youandwhosearmy
No, not at all. I don't write bad political fiction. If I did, I'd work for Fox News.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
:lol: Those Fox News shots are comedy gold. Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
I'm confused, people on these boards actually defend Fox News?
MOAR LIKE FAUX NEWS
VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
Jim Webb reminds me of that Old Fashioned Guy sketch from The State; "Call me old fashioned...but women voters? Welcome to Mars. I'll be on my spaceship." *whistles*
LOL @ Hillary
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/...uo4sy1GVCs0NUEQuote:
Originally Posted by Hillary "Kill the Black Guy" Clinton
I'd have some respect for her comment if she didn't give out that pathetic flowery apology. I'd rather have her just bluntly state that America is racist and shit could happen. Dumbasses that like to be pandered to would be shocked by it, but I respect straight talk.
Tommy Tallarico
Holy shit, she really said that? God damn.
She's actually using "Someone could shoot Obama" as a reason to stay in the race?
Way to make yourself a non entity in the VP AND in any future Presidential campaign. Holy fuck.
edit: It's time for Bill to smack a bitch for the good of the party. This is the biggest problem with the former first lady running for the top job, the big man in the party, the guy who presumably has the most pull on anyone running in terms of "Time to bow out for the good of the party yadda yadda", CAN'T tell her that because he's too wrapped up in the thing, and probably WON'T because he feels he owes it to her thanks to Lewinsky.
I assume she ment, "The democratic primary Bobby Kennedy was running in clearly continued into June, and here we are in May. Boogies."
Isn't groveling and pandering the entire basis of her campaign strategy for the entire campaign? That's like saying "I would like Hitler if he wasn't so angry and bent on genocide and world domination."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Tallarico
No it isn't, because I said "I'd have some respect for her comment." Notice the last word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Tommy Tallarico
Ah, fair enough
I'm sorry I did that. /imus
lol, pack it in and wait 4 more years to prune up Hillary.
I understand what she was trying to say, and I don't think it was something to get all worked over because she wasn't referring to Kennedy's assassination per se. She was referring to his having been killed after winning the California primary, which was in June.
That being said, she most certainly should have phrased it better just so people wouldn't jump all over it. She could have just said "Bobby Kennedy won California in June" without mentioning his assassination.
Still a stupid controversy though.
Yeah, I heard the whole thing in context, and it is a stupid controversy. I don't think I have any outrage left in my body anyway. We've overplayed the "I'm offended" card and I'm numb.
Hillary is the only one who can apologize without ever saying "I'm sorry."
If Obama is even considering her as VP, he better get a Food Taster stat.
Human shield imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
I hear he may tap Steven Seagal
There's no way he wants her as VP, but she may get herself shoehorned into the position by politicking at the convention.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVS
Michelle Obama will kick Barack's ass if that happens.
Think it'll be Edwards?
No, it's really up in the air. I would not count out Kerry trying to ride his ass either.
How has CNN not snatched you up yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
It won't be Kerry or Edwards, neither of them want it any more. Edwards said straight up he wasn't interested, and Kerry hasn't said a fucking word this whole campaign. Hillary's a possibility, but far from a likelyhood. Pelosi is out.
Lieberman has actually been riding on McCain's tour bus trying to get a nod on the GOP ticket, which I'm certainly more comfortable with than the Democratic ticket.
Richardson is the only one from the primary race that seems like a real possibility. If it's not him, they'll likely just go with someone who hasn't been as in the limelight. There are some interesting longshots that have been thrown out there, like Bloomberg, but I don't expect to see that (wouldn't mind it, though).
How has a woman not snatched you up yet?
Richardson and Obama go together about as well as toothpaste and orange juice.
If by any chance you're talking about Pelosi from Ohio, just LOL, she's a dirty cunt.
And thanks to Frog, we hit the crux of the issue;
1) Who is going to run with Obama?
and
2) Who the fuck would ever want to?
I know what Biff has been reading!
http://varifrank.com/images/aj_snap5.jpg
Al Jaffee is a good writer Frog, you probably should look him up for hints.
Again, who wants to run with Obama?
Now quick, give me a snappy answer to that stupid question.
Traditionally VPs are not "supertickets," man. They're usually people who haven't spent as much time in the public view as of the time they are selected. That's how they do it. Somehow I don't think they're going to be hurting for applications for the job.I heard you dedicated your book to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Wait, let me translate this into biffese noxious cliches so you can follow:
It'll be a cold day in hell before I take writing advice from you!
It's career suicide and you know it, spinster. Now, that's enough about this subject.
Yeah, no one has ever gone from Vice President to President. That would be unprecedented.
Has nothing to do with that and you know it. The spin machine will beat the shit out of anybody who runs with Obama to the point of exhaustion.
Well it's not like it wouldn't be a tested politician who had to win some elections in their day. VPs don't usually get beat up that bad. Even Cheney really skated until he was already in office. How else would that guy have been allowed to slide his way in?
Cheney was unknown, pretty much, to the mass public before he took office. Would you even want to shit in a stall next to him now? The democrats don't really have that old established guy who could care less what the public thinks of him, except ol' Bill, and his pride is his biggest enemy.
And the fact that he was able to do that shows that you have severely overestimated the election season meat-grinder and how relevant the VP is to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Actually thats not true. They have one guy. But he's just discovered he's got a tumor and is probably really hesitant about trying to get into the white house anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Anyone who describes anything as "career suicide" doesn't have a valid opinion.
yeah, so stay out of this thread, ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calliander
The democrats best options won't run with Obama
Hilary: No way she does it, she'll wait until 2012
Lieberman: Not a chance in hell, his politics and Obama's are clearly two different things
Edwards: Also will wait for 2012, he has the best chance of the 3 to run with Obama, but I don't think he's going to do it. He'll see how this works out for someone else.
Kennedy: He wouldn't have run with Obama had he been healthy, I mean he would be a logical choice, but he's a kennedy and wouldn't play second fiddle to anyone.
lol Kennedy? Seriously? What made you think that was even barely possible?
Bloomberg son. Wait for it.
Stop making this request of anyone that calls you out on being stupid. You're not the thread police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Tommy Tallarico
If no one else does it, I'm sure Harold Ford Jr. would do back flips for a chance to be on that ticket. But, neither the campaign nor the party is ever going to let that happen. The idea of two popular, black, former state senators (both who ran for the US Senate, only one that won), whose positions straddle the middle (Obama being left of center and Ford being a little close to center or even a tinge right) and are incredible communicators is just too radical. They need a middle-aged, white guy from the South to balance it out.
Seriously though, Ford would be a great choice, but it'll never happen. They'll settle for some young white governor from the South to keep the campaign's youthful vigor while at the same appeal to Obama's smallest trending sector of the electorate; white working class people from the South and Mid-west. This is why they should plead with Mark Warner to forget about his VA Senate bid and take one for the party and latch his wagon to the Obama campaign.
He's also hasn't been a member of the democratic party for a few years and has endorsed McCain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Keep up, man.
Joe Lieberman is more in the Likud party than either American one.
MOSSAD imoQuote:
Originally Posted by g0zen
g0zen is right that there's a good chance they'll go with a southern white guy to play it safe, but I'm really not sure who that's going to convince, so I hope they don't. Obama isn't going to get the racist cracker vote, and he should cut his losses on that.
I think Richardson and Bloomberg, while they might be slightly controversial choices, really have the biggest pay off. Richardson really offsets the whole percieved "experience" issue with Obama, he's very well respected, and he can be really valuable in courting latino voters who really have the ability to decide this election.
Bloomberg, on the other hand, has a lot of appeal to moderates, independents, and fiscal conservatives that might want to label Obama a "tax and spend" guy. He's also going to appeal to Jewish voters and others concerned with middle east issues, and they can be an important swing vote. My own mother, who has been hardcore republican because Israel is the only issue she votes on, admits that a Bloomberg VP bid would be pretty compelling for her.
Both choices might cost him some voters, but I really think they'd each bring in far more than they chase away, and that's why I hope for a gutsier choice.
This reply to what I said does not have a logical connection - please make sure, when you reply, to give us what the thought process was. I have no idea how to respond to you now. It's like the whole middle of the fucking movie is missing. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
I'm from the Obama school of using an ambiguous opening in order to be able to clarify my statements when I figure out what the hell the proper strategy is.
Panic! Take dig at other side to distract! Then: Relax.
No no no no, that's Hilary Yeller.
Speaking of that cunt, even Jimmy Carter is saying quit..
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
She seems to be the only one who doesn't realize at this point she is doing more harm than good.
http://www.politickerco.com/files/po...ist_custom.jpg
You did it again! Amazing!
Obama doesn't use as much word-soup in his meanderings. Also, this statement is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
He goes to the well way too often.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
Only Gozen would say Obama's politics "straddle the middle".
Only Spo would not know that there is no longer any real left wing politics left in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
The entire democratic party straddles the middle then everything else moves to the right.
He didn't, he said the two of them straddle the middle together, Obama being the left side of that equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
What exactly are you laughing at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008
US politics are a fucking mess.
The fact that you could even think that Obama is even near the center is really, really scary.
The fact that you do not is really, really depressing and a sign of how fucking sad the state of politics are in america.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Let me guess, you though Bill Clinton was left as well right?
No, bill was more centered than any fucking Bush, Reagan, Carter, or anybody else in our lifetime, that's a fact.And a very effective president despite the fact that typing this very sentence makes me want to punch myself in the face
Obama is as far left as I have witnessed any democratic candidate in my tenure as an American voter, period.
And if he gets in he'll spend 4 years fighting his own congress, that will be really productive.
Bbobb, I actually went to the Democratic debate in Ohio, and I donate and attend republican functions. I'd suggest you actually study the democrats and republicans as a whole. These arbitrary OMG you don't know shit Obama is centered is embarrasing. Don't be fooled when I post sarcastic comments in here, I do that because once in a while emotions get a little hectic in this thread.
How about you actually describe how he isn't in the middle and prove that bbobb is wrong instead of finding another pathetic excuse to talk about yourself by acting like you know the guy and can describe him to us because you saw him in person one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
For the million fucking posts you've made on TNL, you've never actually discussed or debated anything. You just plant seeds and when someone jumps on your stupid seed, you find a way to stab them in the back by lecturing them based on anecdotal bullshit and talking about yourself. You're a real-life version of the Tommy Tallarico gimmick. Actually talk about what you're talking about instead of posturing like an ape thumping his chest.
Tommy Tallarico
Tommy is right.
Biff did you even bother to follow the link that I posted. I'm pretty sure the guys at that site know a hell of a lot more about politics then you, and their work is done by compiling information on a wide variety of political stances and decisions including voting records.
Politics in the US have moved so far to the right that someone near the center is what people like you consider far left. It's fucking disgusting. Please tell me exactly his wide variety of extreme left stances that make him so far left in your opinion.
Denny CraneQuote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Tallarico
I took the test. No wonder I like John Edwards so much.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1211781372
Me:
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1211781372
Biff=Charlie Brown.
Oh Biff, will you ever win?
Just for the hell of it I took the test again, seems I'm still about the same:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...3.62&soc=-5.38
I think its pretty accurate, considering the questions they toss at you.
The only thing I am is standing proof that you can't defeat an uneducated herd mentality, and I can live with that, Lucy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I sit about where bbobb does. Though I don't think the questions accurately encompasses certain issues, because there are issues I lean right on, but they're practical (economic, mostly), and this gets more into the broad moral concepts behind them, which I'm pretty squarely left on.
For instance its concept of libertarianism seems exclusively based on civil libertarianism, which I'm 100% behind, but I definitely believe in state and authority, and the need for government, but that doesn't seem to reflect in the test. I also tend to disagree with the statements that are sweeping generalizations on principle.You've established many things in this thread, but the superiority of your self-education in the realm of politics isn't among them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Gee can you complain about anything else? Is there anything in this world that's not debatable. Jesus fuck. waaa waaa waaa. 'Some are generalized statements' ... shocker. Some of those statements are what Republicans spew everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I didn't say it was completely bullshit, either. I'm definitely in the right ballpark, but the stuff I'm more center or right on isn't accounted for, that's all.
I really don't think that's what they are looking for. What I mean is the questions were more focused on economics and mainstream cultural issues. I mean honestly, the way they came up with where Hillary and Barak fell into was by what they are saying. They didn't sit down with them. I'm sure if they did they would ask the viewer the same questions they are asking the Candidates. There by getting a better picture of where you land on the political spectrum.
So in that sense I understand. Its just that what you first posted DID NOT READ AS SUCH.
but on economics I'm very center. But it's more focused on the moral concepts behind the economics than the policies themselves, which is my problem.
Like, I think it's really important to make sure our corporations do well, but on the test I come off as anti-corporate because the questions are all like "Corporations should always have the right to do whatever they want because it's good for the economy." I think that you need to use certain conservative economic principles to benefit the companies, but then you also need regulation to ensure that that success benefits the country, too.
The center of what Frog, some fucking farsical graph made up by a website? Or what really constitutes the right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Let me tell you what is slanted towards the right;
Stiffer Jail Sentences and the death penalty for murder: You are opposed
Reduced Corporate Taxes so that companies can actually hire employees: You are opposed
Increased US activity in the middle east to root out terror because the rest of the world is too preoccupied with internal struggle to do so: You are opposed
Reduction of the 70 levels of government required to even get a god damn passport: You are opposed
Stop it Frog, you can read your liberal rags all you want, and so can the rest of TNL for all I'm concerned because most of you don't have any accumulated net worth or property to speak of and don't care because what do you REALLY have to lose? I myself have spent a LONG LONG time going to college, getting those degrees, getting a good job, and loving the fact that this country that you seem to hate so much is catered to those of us who actually bust our ass.
However, if you want to give up your freedom and increase government reliance, you don't fucking call yourself centered, period..... dependant maybe.
Again, what is my view compared to you, OMFG ninjas, and Bbobb? Who are surely on the ladder to leading our generation to prosperity with your snarky comments and that ever so awesome "I'm never wrong" attitude.
LOL, Biff do you get off on making yourself look this incredibly foolish in this thread?
Yes, because surely if I listened to the current TNL mentality I would be quitting my job, getting a shitty gig making 12 bucks and hour, and then telling people who actually work hard and have plans for the future how fucking stupid they are.
BTW, feel free to stop attacking me and post a retort, I'll all ears. Lest you be like ninja's and tell me how wrong I am and not actually have a rebuttal. I call that the 6 year old syndrome.
I might not have net worth or property, but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Thats what's so great about America is that we can do just this. The problem is when people take it to the extreme and become so argumentative that the flow of opinions is stiffled by anger and rage(Gozen and Biff, well not so much Biff). TNL's political threads are a microcosm of Capitol Hill. If everyone LISTENED to what the other is saying ... maybe just maybe shit will get done. But really I have no hope for humanity at all.
edit: I'm doing a Biff.
edit 2: The Joneses.
Noone really cares about net worth other than Morphix. I mean its nice to know you have money, but the more you boost about it. The more people think you don't. Kinda like the man who talks about banging chicks. In reality he hasn't. He's just boosting his ego and shit. I mean I believe you Biff that you have money, but really what does that have to do with Political issues?
Right on that. Cluttered and ineffective jails, ftl, and retributive justice on a philisophical level I find indefensible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biff
Wrong on that. I'm for taxes on personal income, and I could give two fucks if a CEO makes a couple million less, but I understand the need to take care of our corporations, very much.Quote:
Reduced Corporate Taxes so that companies can actually hire employees: You are opposed
Wrong on that. I'm very much in favor of international anti-terror operations, but not the clumsy, expensive, and ineffective ones like the war in Iraq. I wouldn't mind a push back to the black ops days. It makes more sense now than it did back when we were doing it. It's what Mossad has been doing all along, and we could probably learn a thing or two from them. You don't fight terrorists with wars, you gut them from the inside.Quote:
Increased US activity in the middle east to root out terror because the rest of the world is too preoccupied with internal struggle to do so: You are opposed
You're backwards on that. The conservatives are the one putting more bullshit in place on that. You're leaning libertarian (where the compass says I fall) on that issue.Quote:
Reduction of the 70 levels of government required to even get a god damn passport: You are opposed
I could make many times what I do if I cared to. I get calls from recruiters every day. But I'm a creative person, and I prefer my freedom over a large TV that I'll never watch. Perhaps if you had passions or original ideas of your own, you wouldn't be so obsessed with embarrassing attempts to boast about your net worth at every possibility.Quote:
because most of you don't have any accumulated net worth or property to speak of and don't care.
No one is impressed, Biff. No one.
I'm not trying to impress you frog, why the fuck would I? See that TNL self defense of fuck Biff he brags has performance confused with being cocky has always been fueled by petty retorts.
My point is that I will never tolerate an unmotivated bunch of google-fu experts telling me what politics are. Especially due to the fact that I would lay a C-note that 70% of this thread (Gozen, and Spo excluded) won't fucking vote anyway. I mean don't you sleep until 4 everyday, who the fuck wants to be assed to get up and do something like vote?
And for the record, all of the things I have pointed out you HAVE actually argued against either here or on GN.
Should I start calling you John Kerry Jr?