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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

I still want an answer when I ask what is the point of christanity if it is just allegory?

All the good moral lessons can be gotten elsewhere. Why not swap it out for another religion at that point?

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Because I take the New Testament as read, basically. For a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that it just works for how I'd like to live. Jesus is just alright with me.

Eat a dick, Rezo. If I want to be classified, I'll go fill out a census.

I'm out, have a good weekend all! :D

Have fun, Yellerdog(Christian: Methodist - rezo group A)

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You're all-right, man.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

doesn't matter. The average person doesn't care about truth or a search for higher understanding. Its all about safety, power, and avoiding fear.

people on average, ARE insulting to God

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That's poor logic too. Safety, power and avoiding fear go hand in hand with knowledge and explanation.

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Originally Posted by YellerDog

I think God's a pretty understanding deity, actually. I don't know what all this "insulting" talk is supposed to be about.

So anybody not operating the friggin' Hubble is insulting to God? Interesting.

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You're missing my point entirely and making a false conclusion about what I'm saying. I'm not saying people not trying to understand everything are insulting to God. I'm saying people who are trying to understand everything aren't insulting to God. They seem like opposing stances and therefore must conflict but they aren't. You can live life and be merry and that's fine. But if you want to take a closer look and understand the universe then that's fine too.

The problem is the people who claim it isn't fine and make it seem like understanding nature and our origins are insulting to God. Like God would need sheltering from them for protection. God doesn't need protection. The very idea that God would need protecting from us finding answers is insulting to him(her/it) because if he is all-knowing and almighty he wouldn't require it. If he does actually need protection from the truth then he isn't great or almighty by definition and therefore is not a god at all.

If god loves me and wants me to believe in him then why did he let me get created knowing full well I'm not capable of believing in him?

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

That's poor logic too. Safety, power and avoiding fear go hand in hand with knowledge and explanation.

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you're being naive

safety, power and avoiding fear do not go hand in hand with knowledge and explanation.

Depending on the situation, you might be totally fucked. There might be zero hope for you and with in minutes you might meet a very painful demise. And there might be nothing you can do about it.

knowing of such a situation does you little good. You won't suddenly become safe after understanding just how screwed you are.

Knowledge and explanation only increase your safety and power when you are in a situation where you have options and the skills to pursue the best option.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

The problem is the people who claim it isn't fine and make it seem like understanding nature and our origins are insulting to God. Like God would need sheltering from them for protection. God doesn't need protection. The very idea that God would need protecting from us finding answers is insulting to him(her/it) because if he is all-knowing and almighty he wouldn't require it. If he does actually need protection from the truth then he isn't great or almighty by definition and therefore is not a god at all.

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the situation you describe does not exist. No one is sheltering God.

What you are talking about is people who like to stick their head in the sand because the truth may not be as nice and fluffy as the understanding that they currently believe.

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Originally Posted by icarusfall

If god loves me and wants me to believe in him then why did he let me get created knowing full well I'm not capable of believing in him?

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The official answer is you are just put here to trip us Christian types up with your cynicism.

Thats kind of a dick answer though, so I think you just havent found your personal miracle yet to believe and you will at some point. Nothing I tell you will get you there, you'll just have to find your own way.

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Originally Posted by Jetman

Thats kind of a dick answer though, so I think you just havent found your personal miracle yet to believe and you will at some point. Nothing I tell you will get you there, you'll just have to find your own way.

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YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE CRAZY FAIRY TALE SHIT I DO BUT YOU WILL!

Thats so arrogant. What if you're wrong?

Jetman is waiting for jesus to take away his aids.