Most people are thinking of an after life when they think of god.Quote:
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Most people are thinking of an after life when they think of god.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Why worry about the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
Just enjoy the fuck out of the present.
They're not in it for their current lives. They're in it for the afterlife. You think Christians do nice things because they really want to? They're hoping for a reserved seat in heaven. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
When people think of the after life, they think that life in heaven/hell is eternal. It's not just the future, it's the remainder of your being.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
But how much do you heart retrojunk.com cigs?
People are insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
I'm being lazy I'll fix it later.
Oh, please. I'm so sick of religion having this weird protective shield over it in society. It's Santa Claus, but when you were a kid you never got the memo.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
<shrugs> What if YOU'RE wrong? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh
He's already going to hell, him and Johnny have a gig down there.
Wrong, agnosticism for the loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
True agnostics believe that there's the same likelihood of there being an imaginary man as there is of there not being one, and that's just absurd.
Thank you for finally point out what the term agnostic means, 3/4's of the people in this thread have no fucking clue about the term they throw around.
lol Agnostic = Atheist without balls.
Fence sitters
It's good see someone else around here having the balls to not coddle religious superstition.
I stopped reading this thread around page 2. Now I am completely confused on what it degraded down to. Bullet points please.
Nobody knows what agnostic means, buttcheeks is ruining the thread, and josh is the antichrist.
Basically Zombie Jesus vs. all othersQuote:
Originally Posted by portnoyd
the word they are looking for is Agnostic theist, you nitpicking cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
wow, I don't know if you can try harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
maybe say something about nick and kano. or mzo's mother. Maybe then you could form a TNL clietche voltron.
2 days, come back when you can have an adult discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Fact of the matter is he was really going overboard on his beliefs. Sorta like Yoshi and Gozen, but without the humor or sentence structure.
I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Holy shit. I had a ton of these figures. The skeleton-y one was my favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by cigsthecat
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Originally Posted by Bailey
I though Josh was a scientologist? or is that the same thing?
Exactly. It's entirely possible that there is a god or there isn't a god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
It just doesn't fucking matter either way.
It has nothing to do with possible, and everything to do with probable. It's possible that buttcheeks could sprout wings, but I'm not agnostic about it. I can, as a being of rational mind, have balls big enough to say that it ain't gonna happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Maybe my wording's confusing you. So let me lay it out flat. I believe that there may or may not be a god/gods, either is entirely viable, and that it doesn't matter to me. There's no way of knowing/proving which of those options is true and it's not worth even concerning oneself about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Which is Agnosticism.
Don't try to act like you're smarter then me on this, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
He might be. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Ah fuck... stupid then/than. Those bastards are always beating me.
If you know what you're talking about, then reread what I said and realize that I wasn't arguing definitions with you, I was arguing against agnosticism in general and the ridiculous notion that there's an equal likelihood that there's a god versus no god.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Aight, I'll go with you on this then. Why is there not an equal likelihood? Can you show me any proof one way or another? Even some proof that makes one lean towards one or the other end of the spectrum? Sure, I do think the Christian concept of a deity is silly, but what exactly is there to say that there isn't some form of deity/deities? And vice versa what is there to say there is? And most importantly why does it really matter either way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
To be religious or atheist both require some form of faith that your beliefs are right. I lack said faith.
If you are you're fucked, Im not.If you're not, Im still not fucked (or maybe we all are if Xenu decides to harvest our souls)Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
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Originally Posted by bbobb
It matters to the religious because they rather spend the after life in heaven and not hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Edit: Jetman beat me to it.
If you don't think being an enlightened, rational individual matters, then there's really nothing I can say to convince you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Do I have to prove to you that Santa Claus doesn't exist? Or the Easter Bunny? Are you an agnostic Bunniest because I can't? I sure as fuck hope that you're smarter than that. It's not a leap of faith for me to disbelieve a Christian god any more than it is to disbelieve flying dogs that comes out at night and shit turkey sandwiches. Just because someone says something is true doesn't make it grounds for a rational argument or give it weight equal to the convex.
So faith is about hedging your bets? Why not just read the Koran and face Mecca to pray a few times a day while you're at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
I agree it's not a leap of faith to disbelieve a Christian god. The Christian belief set is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
But it is a leap of faith to disbelieve in the possibility of some form of a higher power.
Explain to me how it's more of a leap of faith than my sandwich shitting dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Yoshi and B-ri have started their own religion.
Because you're saying that there's absolutely no possibility that this incredibly well organized universe with its meticulous laws of existence and its intricate construction has any change of being designed by something, some form of something beyond our understanding. Yep, it could easily be random chance, but it's hard to say there's absolutely no possibility of something else being behind it as well. It really comes down to thinking about the limits of human understanding. To think that there couldn't be something above and beyond our understanding is a hell of a lot of hubris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
LOL The burden of proof is on the believer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
And it requires faith to be atheist? Seriously? For me it's simple to understand that it came about from man's attempt to understand his place in the world and how the universe works before he had any real ideas on how to go about finding the truth. I mean we don't have rain-dances anymore because we understand how the weather works.
And how many religions are there? All saying different things?
It's just man not wanting to accept his mortality. No matter what science will say or show us, people will still believe because for some reason or another they need to. I'm just not one of those people.
How am I being naive, again? Learning about a subject, in this given scenario you've chosen a situation, is the only way you're going to know how to avoid it in the future. If you innocently happen to step on a sting ray and die you were fucked, regardless. But learning why stepping on sting ray's is a bad thing and why they burrow in the sand leads to signs being put up warning people from stepping in those area's without caution. Also sandals being worn on the beach.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Don't be stupid. Learning is the most fundamental tool we have as a species. Learning the truth behind the universe is only going to make it safer and more enjoyable for everyone in it. And if God does exist and he did create everything then finding out more about how everything works is the ultimate gesture in appreciation to him for everything we have.
Less delicious if nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
You didn't answer my statement. If you're going to pull this shit of answering a question I didn't even ask, then just don't bother. It's a waste of your time and mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
ARG!:bang:Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Ok, basic science will tell you that it's impossible for your sandwich to shit a dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
No science will tell you that it's impossible for there to be some form of higher power.
You're right. And that's why there can't be a God. Evolution grows, the most complex part is never at the start. And a God that would be all powerful and could create the universe and see over all in it would have to be more complex than the universe itself. Especially when you figure in how he can hear every single person that prays to him, etc. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
Aww shit ironplant was banned. I wanted him to explain how knowledge wasn't empowering.
I'm not talking about my dog, I'm talking about a dog, with wings, that only I have ever seen. Now rework your argument to the parameters I already set once before or stop wasting my time. Tell me what scientists would say about that, and if your argument includes any absolutes, I won't even bother to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
You're arguing for a specific type of god, such as one that the christians believe in. As I've said before shit like that is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Again, you're not actually countering anything I'm saying. Even a high school debate class would laugh you out of the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
You really should have taken your own advice on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
And he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
That shit was awesome. I'm totally on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
haha, no I was just looking at the idea from a different perspective assuming there were only two alternatives to the truth, Christian god or no god. Its a one-colored roulette table for me. I bet black and I know Ill hit, as thats all that is on my wheel. Betting on Muslim or Scientology would be like me betting orange and purple on that black only wheel. Just doesnt make sense (if this analogy even does) and I know I wont win in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
I guess you and Josh in this analogy would have a red only wheel, as its the only viable option for you?
I have no idea what just went on in this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetman
Yeah, its too early in the morning, I knew it wouldnt make sense. Thankfully, you quoted it for posterity so I cant go back and delete it <3
Um, both of those contain stories that are physically impossible. A man cannot travel the world putting presents down our chimney, and we all know he doesn't, because the little boys in South America are getting gifts from a magical man on december 25th. You can prove these things false, you cannot prove god false, at least we cannot at this current time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
There is a 50/50 chance that either God was just there, or the universe was just there. Something, was just there, and it's possible there is no explanation for that. A person believing in god, a person not believing in god, both are basing it on something that we don't know anything about.
Saying "you can't prove god false, not at this current time" is ridiculous, because the only arguments left to support god's existence are the ones based on unknown circumstances that can't be verified in any way. God cannot be proven false now because god's existence is defined as unprovable. However, that definition is based on absolutely nothing, so god's existence in that light is just a "what if!?" scenario, not a case for serious argument.
If you give the same allowances to Santa Claus, flying dogs, or anything else then their existence becomes just as viable. For example: change Santa to a deliverer of intangible personal gifts through imperceptible means and make the flying dogs who shit turkey sandwiches intangible and invisible to anyone who isn't a member of the cult of sandwich-shitting-dog. Conversely, if you look at god in the same way you originally looked at Santa, then any miraculous behavior of a god that could be tested and shown to be false would be proof that that god doesn't exist.
It's one thing to say there is something about existence we can't explain. It's another to fashion an unsupportable possibility from nowhere and assign probabilities for how likely it was based on nothing. The inclusion of god does not better our understanding in any way, the only thing it does is support the continued belief in... unsupportable explanations. It would be perfectly acceptable to simply recognize that you don't have an explanation and stop there; there is really no reason for god to enter the equation at all. With no reason for god to enter the equation, it's no reason to support inconclusive views about god's existence. The real unexplained mystery is existence itself and it also serves as proof that when people are presented with strong evidence to support something they can recognize as being beyond their understanding, they are capable of believing it exists. I also think it's weird to say existence exists is kind of weird but that's how it turned out =|Quote:
There is a 50/50 chance that either God was just there, or the universe was just there. Something, was just there, and it's possible there is no explanation for that. A person believing in god, a person not believing in god, both are basing it on something that we don't know anything about.
:lol: I've always wondered where all those turkey sandwiches came from. And why nobody ever ate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
Okay, without any made up numbers or anything to nitpick with -
Theory B: Some infinitely dense dot that had no plausible way to exist to begin with blew up and the results of this cosmic fart is what we call the universe.
Theory C: Something beyond human understanding, for whatever reason, put the dot there.
If you're honestly going to tell me that one is more fantastic than the other, you're just being silly. After much soul searching, I go with the something because it makes me feel better to think there might be some reason for it.
I think the points were more directed towards two type of people
Person A says "Hey, look at snowflakes, they are the work of God's paintbrush!"
Person B says "Well, I'm not sure about that, but I don't want to say it isn't either, so I'll just keep sitting on the fence"
Both are loonie
It makes you better to feel like there's some unknowable knowledge out there, but it makes me feel better to think that there's a ton of untapped knowledge out there that we haven't even begun to understand yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis
The fact is, with theory C, you also have to explain what made the thing that made the dot, and that fact, in and of itself, makes theory C more fantastic by a long shot.
I compare it to thinking about the universe actually. Our brain can't fathom that it goes on forever so we put a wall at the end. Well, what's on the other side of the wall? Our brain doesn't understand closure either.
It's the same with God. Humans need a crutch, someone to blame when they are down and to pray to when nobody else listens. However we can't see or feel him or find ourselves to completely believe he is there. So we invent "faith" which basically says "Yeah, nobody in the history of man has ever seen him or proof of him being here, but if you BELIEVE in him he will be". Yeah bullshit, tell that to the other 100 religions in the world that have died out in our history.
God is a giant What if Scenario, that's generally what I think of him as.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
I don't believe in the miraculous behavior of god, the only thing I feel attributed to him is the creation of the universe. I don't believe that god hears the magical words of prayer and decides to suddenly heal someone on the brink of death. I believe in luck and modern science, and the power of humanity in of itself. Which lends itself to my next statement:Quote:
If you give the same allowances to Santa Claus, flying dogs, or anything else then their existence becomes just as viable. For example: change Santa to a deliverer of intangible personal gifts through imperceptible means and make the flying dogs who shit turkey sandwiches intangible and invisible to anyone who isn't a member of the cult of sandwich-shitting-dog. Conversely, if you look at god in the same way you originally looked at Santa, then any miraculous behavior of a god that could be tested and shown to be false would be proof that that god doesn't exist.
Ok, 50/50 isn't the best way to put it. But your choices are either: Some Super Omnipotent being was just there and created everything, or the universe was just there. both have extra questions added onto them, such as why. I agree the problem with god is "Well god works in mysterious ways, you can't tell but he did that." but that's the nature of it. But isn't that just as bad as "The universe just did exist, I can't tell you how but it just existed." There may never be an answer for that, just as there may never be an answer towards god existing or not, that's why I don't concern myself with it. God to me, is a Hypothetical situation that is irrelevant to anything we're doing today. If there is a god, and he created the universe, thanks god, high five. I appreciate having the chance to live. Agnosticism has no bible, no holy scriptures for us to go by. Honestly I think Agnosticism is simply a stepping stone, it's a spot to put your belief until you find a belief system that fits you. Just as Doc pointed out Deism, that's something that rings quite well with me, and maybe I'm believing in it because, that'd be cool if it were true. It does feel to me that their is a being above us, whether or not he has any implications on anything, I don't know. Maybe he's off creating another universe for the hell of it, and we're all in giant expanding snowglobes that will eventually intersect and cause wars between Parallel universes.Quote:
It's one thing to say there is something about existence we can't explain. It's another to fashion an unsupportable possibility from nowhere and assign probabilities for how likely it was based on nothing. The inclusion of god does not better our understanding in any way, the only thing it does is support the continued belief in... unsupportable explanations. It would be perfectly acceptable to simply recognize that you don't have an explanation and stop there; there is really no reason for god to enter the equation at all. With no reason for god to enter the equation, it's no reason to support inconclusive views about god's existence. The real unexplained mystery is existence itself and it also serves as proof that when people are presented with strong evidence to support something they can recognize as being beyond their understanding, they are capable of believing it exists. I also think it's weird to say existence exists is kind of weird but that's how it turned out =|
And I completely lost the point of what I was talking about, I think because I stopped being objective and just went with what I felt. But yes, the nature of god is a huge what if scenario, and idealistically, people would pick the what if scenario that felt closest to their heart, go on with that and live life without feeling that they have to make everyone else subscribe to their what if scenario. So honestly, I think I agree with just about everything you said Reno.
Don't shoot the messager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Via PM
I am going to tell her what I believe, and then tell her to find out for herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
You are a good father for that.
The main difference is that we can confirm the existence of the universe so there is a real question to answer there, and "I can't explain why it exists" is a fair conclusion to draw. There's nothing to support the existence of a god, so there's no reason to draw a conclusion referencing one at all, unless once again it's just as a hypothetical. There's no reason to put "god existed" on equal footing with "universe existed."Quote:
But your choices are either: Some Super Omnipotent being was just there and created everything, or the universe was just there. both have extra questions added onto them, such as why. I agree the problem with god is "Well god works in mysterious ways, you can't tell but he did that." but that's the nature of it. But isn't that just as bad as "The universe just did exist, I can't tell you how but it just existed."
Really, we're basically on the same page evidently so I'll just add that I think the importance that god is given for these kinds of questions is basically cultural. Kind of like how religious people out here are gradually toning down the mysticism of their views, some people who don't really have any strong religious beliefs take in the basic viewpoints surrounding the existence of a god and respond with a weak "well... maybe". Then it gets a little weird when the "maybe" becomes something people will argue for fiercely, but that's how people are, I guess?
He's not making any sense. Why does there have to be a 'purpose' in the Big Bang Theory other than the best explanation using current data to describe the universe's existence? I think it's the misplaced need to find deeper meaning in something that lacks one which leads to ridiculousness like a Godhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
I think it more comes to it gives them meaning to their lives. I mean, if there's no afterlife why not just go kill as many people as you can and eventually take your own life. It offers comfort as well to people in such tragedies in the Virgin Tech Shootings (Though I'd say it more helps people who weren't directly affected but think "OMG HOW HORRIBLE") to say "Well he's going to hell for that, he's going to get that in the end." Where there is a certain possibility, that he has taken those lives, and there will be no retribution, which makes people angry. What you said is right, but I think there's a lot of depth to religion and what it offers people.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
Umm, if the only reason you're not going on a brutal murderous rampage is because you fear punishment in the afterlife, then you need to get into therapy quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
This is a dodge. It may provide comfort to some, but by the same token it might bring extreme pain to others. People will ask themselves "Why did God take away my child? What did *I* do to deserve this?" and now their pain is not only still there but amplified. You can't just make fiat claims that religion makes every situation easier to bear, it may make some easier, but it makes others much harder. Take for example a child who dies at birth and presumably goes to hell from the stain of original sin. Does religion make that easier? Or rather does it make a tragedy even more horrific?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
What religion offers people has nothing whatsoever to do with the veracity of its claims. People may think astrology works or chiropractic medicine, they may be able to point out all these great things that they perceive as being benefits for their belief. That alone doesn't make any of it true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
As I said, this more pertains to people who aren't actually effected. You hear people talk about how it's either God's punishment or that the person who does it will be punished in the afterlife as a way of hiding from the truth. That there is a possibility that this person got exactly what he wanted and there's nothing you can do about it. I was merely commenting on people using religion as a route to escape certain feelings that may caused by an event. That doesn't mean it can't have the inverse effect. Everything you said is true, but I'm not arguing anything.Quote:
This is a dodge. It may provide comfort to some, but by the same token it might bring extreme pain to others. People will ask themselves "Why did God take away my child? What did *I* do to deserve this?" and now their pain is not only still there but amplified. You can't just make fiat claims that religion makes every situation easier to bear, it may make some easier, but it makes others much harder. Take for example a child who dies at birth and presumably goes to hell from the stain of original sin. Does religion make that easier? Or rather does it make a tragedy even more horrific?
I wasn't arguing about its claims. I was merely combining with Rezo on thoughts as to why religion exists.
A man can not pop out of a virgin womb, perform miracles, get nailed to a tree, die a horrible miserable death, and come back to life three days later and ascend directly to some magic place in the clouds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
Santa Claus is easier to believe in than that wacky Jesus shit. At least Santa left presents.
Because I'm not a fucking crazy asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief Silver
This isn't even a valid argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
But he Died for your sins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
I still dont figure that one out. He was killed by romans 2000ish years ago because I stole a ream of paper from the office last week? How the fuck does that work?
i havent really read through the whole thread but for once i'm actually taking what Kano is spewing out and thinking about it. although i would like to know what he actually believes in if he doesn't believe in a god.
I haven't read the last 6 pages so here's a link to the last time we did this.
Why do you have to believe in anything other than what you see? I live in an awesome, big wide world with trees, animals, oceans, mountains and I don't need to pretend that a man is looking down on me to make that really special and awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
To me, the fact that I'm the product of millions of years of growth and change and the fact that I get a chance to be here and see the things I see and do the things I do is infinitely more magical than anything I could imagine.
oh i completely agree with where you're coming from. so you have no inkling or care about what could have made all of this? from what im interpreting you're very grounded and a very (for lack of a better term), live the moment type of person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
No, I absolutely care to know what made all this, which is exactly why I don't accept mythology. Saying "Hey, this guy out there that we'll never see made all this" is the absolute biggest obstacle in the way of us finding out what we really came from. People that think they have the answers stop looking for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyne
Not only that but he died for our sins....when God is the only thing that judges us. Why did he have to come down here and die for that? Couldn't God just assume we'd all fuck everything up with our free will? Why did he have to send his only son here to die for us to appeal to his own judgement?:doubt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
Because that makes it more dramatic, duh.
DOH!:lol:
Are you a... like... what the fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
Here's what one guy told me:
God can't see those who have sinned. Thus everyone who died before jesus went to Purgatory.
Apparently the omnipotent is blind.
Then he's not very omnipotent, is he?
impotent not important imo
What if all this scientology alien bullcrap is just a cover up for something else.... Dun Dun Duuunnnnnnnnnnnnn.
A cover up for what? Please explain.
No, you really have to answer that either way. The trick with C is you get the easy, supernatural out. You're dealing with magical things that shouldn't and couldn't be there either way. I'm sure well past our time, if man goes on long enough, we'll find out quite a bit that came after the initial bang. But that very first thing is something that I honestly think we'll never be able to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano on the Phone
So yours is no better than mine and vice versa. The shitty thing is the crusades people go on because of made up orders from the something in theory C. That's when religion gets dumb. That spark at the beginning, however, is anyone's guess and trying to argue that either way is just being pigheaded.
Edit: I should point out that I'm not trying to specifically argue with *you* here, I think everyone in here who thinks they *know* what's up is kind of dumb.
CURTIS!!!!!!!!!!!
Please come back to TNL to stay.
This one is much better:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3f716ffebe
Basically, it works like this. Old Testament God was a bloodthirsty sadistic motherfucker who demanded payment in death for sins, so the early Jews would sacrifice an animal every day, which would cleanse the whole city. That's right, he doesn't necessarily want the sinner's death, just death in general. Now, if an animal is good for a whole city's sins for one day, how much more would a man be worth? And if that man has inside him God's own soul, why, that would buy enough forgiveness to last the whole world forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildkat
Yes, that's seriously the "logic" behind it.
Who said anything about knowing? I've never (outside of trolling) claimed to know definitively what the answers are, and certainly not in this argument. I've only talked about probabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis
No one has absolute metaphysical certainty of anything, but no one asks for that anywhere except in grasping defenses of the supernatural. You don't, for example, wake up every morning worried that when you get out of bed you'll fall through the floor and into a wormhole. Why not? You don't know for certain that the floor will always be there, you never will. So why do you act every time you get up like there is a floor and you have nothing to worry? See how silly that sounds?
reading this thread, I've found it interesting that many people treat the concept of God and the concept of no god as both being just theories. It seems that the possibility that ancient people actually experienced something to cause them to believe in such things is just ignored. Which seems weird to me considering we live in a world with powerful mind altering drugs, OOBEs, and people that are just plain nuts.
I can understand treating stuff like greek gods like theories, because they never really assert themselves as historical events. However with religions like Christianity and the religions that are part of it, or the ones it came from, there are many assertions that the events described actually happened.
well I ran across some really big dog shit one day, doesn't mean I assume that a 500 pound k9 exists but I can see how it may fool someone else.
I want to believe in Sauron.
I want to believe in Tommy Tallarico
this is something I have trouble with. On the surface it seems to tap into the old belief that our life or soul is in our blood. That belief has been abandoned so long must of us don't even think about it, but it was a very real belief and why we have myths like vampires.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gas
Now, if we make the assumption that for some reason the death and rebirth thing still saves even minus the belief in "life blood", I'd like to know how it works.
See, its stuff like that. Everyone is making the assumption that people back then were really stupid and just made up fabulously god theories on the fly. I don't buy that. Biologist are pretty sure that from fossil records that we are not that much smarter than our ancestors. That if you could find a man from 6000 years ago, he would probably be as intelligent as anyone else. He wouldn't know as much, but he would be able to grasp concepts and think about as well as we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
I find it interesting that no one is asking about that. What could make someone come up with beliefs about God when no such concept existed before.
What makes a man make a story in his head a belief about reality, and not just something for entertainment like comics or movies or books?