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Yes, you can replay any chapter you've completed, and each chapter is broken up into segments that you can separately practice. Very slick. And you're correct -- the vibe is very old school arcade insofar as it drives you to perfect your technique to beat your best time.
i FINALLY got the god damn speed run chapter 2 trophy today, god damn chapter 2 sucks, there are TOOOO many ways to screw up on it.
Im trying very hard to like this game. Unfortunately I always feel like I'm grappling with the controls and the light bloom is way too excessive most of the time.
F all of the haters; this game is the business. DICE has managed to do something that most people thought was impossible. The game is rough in spots --the chase scenes with the helicopters are annoying (as if you get stuck anywhere you are turbo-dead) and the forced fights are just BS as the combat is neither fun nor well-implemented. Stomping people's heads is hot shit, though.
Yeah the game is short, but you will get good value if you're trying to 100% the game, as you really should be doing. Someone should beat the times I have up there now. :3
I laughed so hard when I unlocked the achievement for doing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
I just played the demo and it is really damn cool. Reminds me of Breakdown + Prince of Persia. I was stuck doing that triple jump thing to get up onto a wall, that was tough. Can't wait for a price drop after the holidays so I can get the full experience.
I'll wait for the pc port in January. Besides it being cheaper (unless the console versions get marked down by then) it'll have some fancy schmancy nvidia physx stuff (cloth physics and stuff). Looked neat from the video I saw.
edit..here's the vid for those who didn't see it.
Those cloth physics are some hot shit.
Doesn't really make a pretty game any prettier, though. I'd love to see a Crisis Zone update with that.
If you loved Stuntman -- the original Stuntman -- this game is for you.
(I happily include myself in that category.)
I believe I crushed your time on Edge last night. In other news, I FINALLY beat Chapter 3 speed run. I must have attempted it over 100 times...you HAVE to restart when you make a big enough mistake. That said, it's amazing as you pick up little tricks and your technique improves. Suddenly, you're dropping 20 or 30 seconds from what you previously thought was the best you could do. Great game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
Does that mean if you fuck up in this game you have to sit through five minutes of loading to retry?Quote:
Originally Posted by sleeve
Not quite but there are some areas where you have to watch unskippable cinemas if you die.
Zero Punctuation tore this game today.
i love this game.
the platinum trophy is a bitch to get though, I'm on chapter 3 speed run ATM
I thought of an awesome multiplayer idea: Team Relay Races. Could be one or multiple phases. For multiphase after you make a pass off, you need to run to your next start point to take the baton/package again. It could be designed so that each player is constantly moving for 10 minutes, maybe a 30 second wait to get the next transfer. Transfer strategies, team rankings and times like track and field.
No frustratingly long load times but the time trials/speed runs make you want to murder puppy dogs if you mess up in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
Mirror's Edge 2D
It's officially sanctioned by EA, too.
Yeah well I honestly don't know what he likes. Hes amusing to watch, but hes one of those guys that thinks everything sucks. All of the little things that he complains about are easily gotten over through practice. Hes a reviewer. Possibly the reason why he didn't like it was that he spent about three hours on it. Ironically its short story mode was one of the things he actually liked about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
It's his shtick. Take a much talked about game and rail on every little thing people complain about it.
So he's a physical manifestation of the internet? Fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
First DLC has been revealed: 7 time trial maps for $10, available on all platforms in January. PS3 gets 1 exclusive bonus map, in addition.
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Looks fantastic.
So do pay-for map packs actually drive new sales of a game? Valve reports a 20% sales spike whenever there's a free content update for Team Fortress 2. I can't imagine that these overpriced packs do very much, comparatively.
I mean, as a fence-sitting potential customer (still haven't bought the game), I have to say that this does nothing for me. Include it with the original purchase price and I'd probably bite.
It's more of a "Like this? Here's some more!" kind of thing.
I don't understand not being ok with that.
It drives "I will definitely get this immediately upon a good sale or markdown" sales, speaking personally.
I completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
They wouldn't even push me off the fence if they were included.Quote:
I mean, as a fence-sitting potential customer (still haven't bought the game), I have to say that this does nothing for me. Include it with the original purchase price and I'd probably bite.
Do want map pack.
Yeah, more maps are fine by me. $10 is also fine. The notion that ME is somehow "half a game" is nonsense. There's plenty of content and tons of challenge. Whether you like the game is another matter.
Yahtzee likes fps and prince of persia. He generally has a liking for unique or other games that do something new. He dislikes nintendo hard games that rely on arcade style perfection. But he either loves a game or hates it, and the love slope is a hard one for him, I think he's liked maybe 5 games he's ever reviewed,
Portal, COD4, Prince of Persia, Pain Killer and he sorta liked Braid. Everything else gets a healthy and often well deserved chunk of bile.
And lets face it he's better at I hate this reviews.
Tried the demo of this the other day, seems pretty cool and very fluid once you get the hang of it, although the color scheme leaves a bit to be desired. May pick this up down the road when it's cheaper.
"the color scheme leaves a bit to be desired"
In that colors exist in it, unlike every other FPS?
This is not a FPS, at least I don't really classify it as such even though you CAN shoot in first person. More like a FP platformer.
FPD
"First Person Dealie"
DLC in motion
Hot.
This will be included in a superior version on PC. Dice knows where its bread is buttered. I'm glad I'm waiting till Janurary to pick this up. Its shitty that this DLC is going to cost money. What happened to the awesome Dice that gave away Battlefield :Bad Company DLC for free ?
Their expenses went up?
Nope. Paid DLC, sadface.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
link?
My mistake. No word on the PC version aside from a vague press release.
Still, that's been the trend recently.
The console dudes tend to match the lowest possible price for the content, regardless of platform. It doesn't make sense for EA to release the maps for free on PC while charging for the console versions, especially considering that the PC port launches before these maps are released.
PC users, spoilt by Valve and mod teams, tend to not be too thrilled with paid DLC. Incidentally, the EA-published PC version of Mass Effect included the DLC for free.
The EA-published PC version of Dead Space has no DLC at all. Not even the non-console-specific stuff.
Not that I'd pay for it.
And there used to be lots of developers providing post-launch content, not just Valve + a few others.
Isn't the Dead Space DLC just weapon unlocks and stupid shit like that? It's not even content.
http://deadspace.ea.com/blogs/blog-e...l-and-psn.aspx
I'd like to see the astronaut suit! But yeah, it sucks.
One weapon I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
bVork, "PC gamers" aren't thrilled with pay DLC because it's shit 99% of the time. The DLC just posted for ME is a perfect example. They're speed run maps for $10. I'd pay $15 tops for a digital expansion pack but these devs will never see a dime from me on after market shit as long as it continues this trend.
I finally made time to play through this and it is a goddamn incredible game, and I'm really depressed that it's selling like shit and the extent to which so many people don't really understand the game. I've gone as far as hearing people say this game has no replay value, when in fact I think it's impossible to really appreciate this game on the first play. There is so much subtlety and finesse to the game's mechanics. Everything that Assassin's Creed did wrong with the freerunning concept, this game does very right.
EA does the right thing with an amazing, genre-bending original piece of gaming with incredible replay value and depth, and the market says "Fuck you, go back to rehashed sequels of shit I know."
Janurary can't come soon enough.
I picked it up last week at Target for $44 and I enjoyed it tremendously. The game gets many things right but it ends fairly quickly and you just want more from the game (more hand to hand moves, more levels, multiplayer, etc.) I hope it gets a sequel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I wanted to love the game, but the inconsistent controls sapped the fun out of the speedruns. Combat sapped the fun out of the singleplayer campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
What does this mean? That there's a die-roll to determine whether you'll actually do a wall run or fall to your death? The success of the moves -- jumping, coiling, wall-runs, etc. -- are all dependent upon your distance, approach angle and timing. If set up correctly, you'll never miss. The challenge is for the player to be consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Why? Again, disarms are based on distance and timing. Done correctly, you'll never miss. Never. Also, combat is extremely and, contrary to a previous post of mine, I believe you can avoid every single confrontation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
It means he isn't very good with the game. :p
I suspect the issue is more with the physics and hit detection, more than anything. One good example of this is the final jump on the time trial for Cranes 2. It's a long jump, and there are five possible outcomes: clear the gap in stride, clear the gap into a slide, catch the edge of the building, catch the edge of the building in a hard landing, and not clear the gap and plummet to your death. I've done that jump about 34543543 times and I still can't tell which outcome is coming until it actually comes. (And if you're wondering, I'm always taking the jump at the same speed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Another example is that on certain drops, sometimes the game will just let you land and sometimes the game will asses a hard landing penalty, and there's no real clear reason why. I saw this a lot on the first drop during the sniper sequence in chapter 9 (and taking a hard landing there is bad, as you're pretty much dead).
There are several places where fighting is required:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
- The fight in chapter 3, after running from the helicopter for the first time. You'll get shot down trying to go up the pipe otherwise.
- The fight in the mall in chapter 5. You will get mauled by the machinegunner trying to make the adjustment necessary on the crossbar to clear the final jump.
- After you get spotted by the chasers in chapter 8. Same setup as the one in chapter 3, but now the chasers make this more annoying (at least they don't climb pipes).
- The lobby in chapter 9. The machinegunner will destroy you while you're pushing the button for the elevator to come down otherwise.
(To be fair, these sequences may have alternate solutions that I missed.)
The combat got tolerable once I got used to it (and figured out that the AI is horribly predictable: running slide kick, knee, 1-2 punch over and over again will knock anyone out short of the chasers), but they combat scenes really were where I got hung up 90% of the time on my first playthrough -- I could see why people don't like them.
hint on chasers
they all ALWAYS do high roundhouse kicks, just slide kick them in the stomach. Theyll take a step back, then run toward you again to do yet another roundhouse kick. Rinse repeat.
I can, too (although I sort of enjoyed the combat). But I don't how see how it sucks the life out of the 1P mode. Combat is a really small part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
For a linear game about running from one point to another, I found it to be fairly lengthy, honestly. But it's sort of hard to appreciate fully on the first run through anyway, since the real joy of the game is about maintaining your momentum in creative ways and it's hard to do that until you're familiar with the level.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundwave
The idea is really to avoid combat, aside from maybe the occasional disarm (which is just pure timing and doesn't require any combat per se). Once you've got it down, combat amounts to bum-rushing an enemy, getting to close range and then tapping Y when they swing at you. Easy peasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Boxes that are too high to just jump onto but too short to grab and then lift up onto are found frequently throughout the game. Don't tell me you never jumped up and down several times hoping the game would decide to let you climb onto an object.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Evidently you weren't as good at the hand-to-hand as me, because I have a certain combat achievement that you are lacking...Quote:
Why? Again, disarms are based on distance and timing. Done correctly, you'll never miss. Never. Also, combat is extremely and, contrary to a previous post of mine, I believe you can avoid every single confrontation.
The most obvious example I found with control inconsistencies is the first wallrun in Playground 1. I played that time trial over and over again. I could do the balancing beam in my sleep. But it seemed that 1/3 of the wallruns I attempted simply failed to connect. I know I was doing things as close to identical as possible on each run, so I'm going to blame the controls for being too finicky to allow for consistent play. Maybe the PC version's digital control will alleviate issues, but I have no desire at this point to play the game any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstick
Don't forget the parking garage! 4 swat guys with machineguns who don't like to split up!Quote:
There are several places where fighting is required:
- The fight in chapter 3, after running from the helicopter for the first time. You'll get shot down trying to go up the pipe otherwise.
- The fight in the mall in chapter 5. You will get mauled by the machinegunner trying to make the adjustment necessary on the crossbar to clear the final jump.
- After you get spotted by the chasers in chapter 8. Same setup as the one in chapter 3, but now the chasers make this more annoying (at least they don't climb pipes).
- The lobby in chapter 9. The machinegunner will destroy you while you're pushing the button for the elevator to come down otherwise.
(To be fair, these sequences may have alternate solutions that I missed.)
The mall fight in chapter 5 was one I didn't have an issue with, oddly. The level had enough routes that I found one that let me wallrun above the machinegunner and stomp his ass, then continue looping around to get back to the front.
The four snipers near the end were a real pain. It seemed utterly random whether they'd shoot my ass down, and there was no real way to avoid taking them on since they'd just shoot you in the back if you tried to run past them.
My main issue with the combat is that it kills the momentum that the platforming really tries to impart - you end up running around a single area in circles trying to split up enemies and take them out, since you'll get murdered in most cases if you just try to run by. The arbitrary AI also gets in the way, since you really can't hope to disarm somebody if they are within line of sight of any other enemy, and it's random whether they'll decide to split up for you.Quote:
The combat got tolerable once I got used to it (and figured out that the AI is horribly predictable: running slide kick, knee, 1-2 punch over and over again will knock anyone out short of the chasers), but they combat scenes really were where I got hung up 90% of the time on my first playthrough -- I could see why people don't like them.
Says somebody who wasn't good enough at the "easy peasy" combat to get through any chapter of the game without firing a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Uncle! Uncle!Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Be serious. Please.
I only beat the game yesterday and haven't looked at the achievements and I'm about to lend the game to someone else because I really can't be allowed to have a game this addictive right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Quite serious. Gamerscore is worthless but some of the more esoteric Achievements are a good indicator of skill - particularly when somebody is suggesting that complaints about combat are due to one not being good at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Planet
Disarm and pop is much easier than fighting though. It really is.
I kill everybody.
Even if you kill everyone, it's stupid to do it with punches and kicks.
I do it with the guns I take from them. It's rewarding.
That's the right way to do it.
I didn't suggest you were bad at combat, nor was I boasting that I was good at it. I said that the combat worked perfectly when done correctly, and asked why you felt that the combat sucked the life out of the 1P game. And Test of Faith, if that's what you're referring to, is irrelevant. I didn't get the Achievement because I like shooting people. I'm pretty sure, though, that I can push Y as well as the next person. A good indicator of skill here would be speed runs and time trials -- mine thus far are pretty respectable. Too bad you didn't like the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
EA has unlocked the time trails in the demo. When it asks you for the 16 digit code, put in all zeros and you can play the two trials (the demo level split up into 2 sections).
Just finished the PC version. Screw everyone who gave this a shitty review. Great port, great game.
I will, however, be skipping the story sections on a replay. For a dystopian future, I still don't understand what the big problem is. Everything's cleaner and brighter and there's nice furniture everywhere. Oh wait, there are ads in elevators and on rooftops. EVERYBODY RIOT.
For anyone on the fence, do you like awesome racing games like Trackmania or PGR? The press-a-button-to-instantly-restart-the-race-three-dozen-times-before-you-get-a-gold kind of racing game. Yes? Get Mirror's Edge. No? Kill yourself.
edit: I shot the guards. Disarming everyone is for mouthbreathers.
I also have just finished Mirror's Edge on the PC and it was fantastic. I love sliding and kicking people in the nuts, that will never get old. Ever. Using the mouse and keyboard works perfectly, and the way the buttons are mapped on the 360 controller
seems so awkward.
I do terribly miss having achievements to shoot for, how hard is that to incorporate into PC games?
Blame EA. Other companies either use Steam's achievement system or Microsoft's. Fallout 3 PC actually has achievements that are viewable from Live.
I know it does, and I love it for doing so.
I had to create a shitty EA Online login for the time trials. I still have hate for them from the Xbox Burnout 3 days =[
One more thing: why would anybody make a song for a video game and call it "Still Alive" after Portal?
Parallel thinking?
It's a remix of a non-videogamey song.
yowza!
What's so civil about war anyway?
BobowzaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Not true, the song was recorded specifically for Mirror's Edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
Oh and where's my goddamn DLC, EA. You said January. You have -4 days left to get this to me.
No it's a remix of a non video game song by Alcorus called Shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Where does Shine exist outside of the Mirror's Edge soundtrack? (Or Alcorus for that matter)
Here. EA/DICE bought the rights to Shine Part I but you can listen to Parts II through IV.
So it's not even something that was commercially released, then?
Anyway, the "still alive" lyrics were written specifically for the game, so epmode is still wrong that they're a vestige of it being a remix.
GOD EA SUCKSQuote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
DLC expansion's out. Impressions soon.
Ok, here's what I think of the map pack:
1) It's small. There are 9 maps, and 2 of those are variations. They're strictly Time Trial mode, and each one is like 1-2 minutes long for a non-sucky run. They're nice and compact for time trial runs, but obviously much shorter than the main levels.
2) They're completely abstract, based on geometric shapes and such, which is probably a cheap way of keeping the download small, but it really does make for some unique designs that weren't possible in the main game. Fewer right angles and such.
3) The maps are actually really well designed if you're into the game. Each one has a different sort of motif (visually and design-wise) to emphasize different parts of the gameplay. They can be a bit intimidating, and I'd say they're generally a little on the hard side, but that's good for DLC.
So, basically, there's not a huge heaping helping of content here, and nothing that will interest anyone who isn't into playing for times, but for the hardcore it's definitely quality.
PC/Steam release pls.
I just beat this game (and it was balls awesome) but I can't get the DLC because I bought the Steam version.
Screw PC gaming. Sure, I might have been stuck with 720p or whatever on the 360 but at least I could play the whole frigging game.
Assholes.
lol
The really entertaining thing here is that the Steam version of Mirror's Edge cut out the SecuROM DRM. A good thing, right? Not when the premium (sigh) DLC requires the shitted-up executable file for its installation.
By the time Dice/EA figured this out, the dev team had already been moved to other projects and EA doesn't want to spend the money to fix their own game.
I doubt it'll happen again but fuck EA and Valve for this.
I finally got around to getting this game after wanting it since before it released.
Sooooooo so good, one of my favorite gaming experiences in a long time.
Amazingly classy and the sense of "world" is so well done.
Still not very far, only a few hours in so far...
<3 the soundtrack!
It gets worse when they start throwing you up against lots of enemies...but only if you choose not to shoot. There are way too many times when combat is near-forced or outright forced.
I didn't end up being too impressed by the game's story mode, but the time trials were the fucking jam.
On the contrary, I much preferred speed running the main game's levels. The time trials were very hit or miss in terms of layout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bacon McShig
Yeah, speed running is fun as hell. The story mode is just there to like, walk you through.
It's not a game you can fully appreciate on your first play, that's for sure.
I paid $40 instead of $60 on release and got to play it with all the crazy PhysX effects, awesome kb/m controls and whatnot. I love the game, really fantastic, and it's frustrating to know that EA could've done it up right: Games for Windows, achievements, DLC content that works on Steam =[Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Fuck EA, the whole thing is a cockup.
PS - I'm probably going to get this on the 360 soon, just waiting for it to be $20 or less.
BTW, this game is on gogamer.com for $5.90 (PC version) until about 5PM today. I picked up a copy! You probably should.
AWESOME. I'll finally play the DLC now.
Will get.
360 and Ps3 versions of this are now $19.99 at TRU and probably everywhere else BTW.
PC version is the only way to go. Controls 100x better with kb/mouse, and I'm not normally one of those people who slams FPS games with a controller. It's also nice that it looks much better, runs at a better framerate, and doesn't have tedious achievements to worry about.
You never need to worry about an achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronChance