The Grudge List

"List threads" have been good for discussion at TNL lately so here's another one. List 10 (or whatever you want) games that you have a negative association with, not including mere disappointment with their quality. We have already had "most disappointing" and "worst" lists, I'm sure. The games in this list can even be excellent but with something that bugs you. So, if you blame a game for the decline of the industry or for giving you an STD, this is the list for it.

Here are some that came to mind for me (not in any order):


StarTropics - Buying it used without the map and with no access to the code to keep playing really sucked because I was enjoying it. I refused to buy Zoda's Revenge when it came out.

The Longest Journey - Now, I'm not superstitious but having two hard drives die on me while playing this makes me scared to reinstall it.

Arnold Palmer Tournament Golf - I rented this back in the day primarily to access the hidden Fantasy Zone game. I followed what the magazine (I forget which one) said but I couldn't get it no matter how many times I tried. It drove me nuts not knowing whether it was my fault or the whole thing was a joke.

Donkey Kong Country - I thought the gameplay was good but I didn't appreciate Rare usurping DK's character designs. It also paved the way for the abominations of DK64 and the DK rap.

Landstalker - I never beat this game because my saves erased themselves near the end twice. Supposedly, it's not uncommon with this game.

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon - Maybe I should blame SotN but CotM was the point where Konami decided they would focus on rehashing Metroidvanias. Most of them are good but I hate seeing any great series diluted with too many similar sequels.

Myst - I don't totally blame Myst (or Grim Fandango's sales) for the decline of the more humourous side of the adventure genre but I do feel it had a negative impact on it.

Summer Games - This was the first disk I tried to make a pirated copy of when I was a kid. I accidentally erased over my neighbour's legit version. Yeah, you could say it served me right but it was a big stress at the time.

Adventure Island - This is the video game equivalent of someone making a great song, and then someone else doing a lower quality cover of it right afterwards and having it become more popular than the original.

Star Wars - This one was just a sad moment. It's one of my favourite arcade games of all time, and I was glad there was an arcade in 1995 that still had it. It died while I was playing it. The next time I went there it was gone and I haven't seen a vector graphics arcade game since. Emulation is cool but it's not quite the same.

Prince of Persia: Warrior Within - This is first thing that comes to mind when I think of sequels that didn't need to be made. I guess I can understand Ubisoft's thinking, trying to rebrand the franchise with a harder edge to bring in that crucial emo teen demo, but compared to the simple beauty in design that was SoT this game was crap on a pointy stick.

I hate the GTA 3 series for the sheer fact that it brainwashed millions into thinking horrible graphics and shitty aiming make a game good.

I also hate whatever game made the spawning point for these indie devs to create twinstick shooters with neon graphics ad nauseum.

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Adventure Island - This is the video game equivalent of someone making a great song, and then someone else doing a lower quality cover of it right afterwards and having it become more popular than the original.

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Hah, nice analogy. Hudson is Pat Boone.

Wow. This is an interesting one (not that I expect less). I suspect my list will get many edits, but here is the first pass:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon - This was the first entry into a series I care a lot about to make a seemingly permanent move to a portable platform. Secondarily, it also continued what I, at the time, thought was going to be a one off move to an adventure format for the Castlevania series. At the time of its release, I enjoyed CotM, as I could not foresee the future it would bring in ruining what was the best series in gaming for a decade.

Castlevania: Order of Shadows - Want to make portable Castlevania games look like a good idea? Make the alternative Castlevania on a cell phone.

Dino Crisis 3 - Dino Crisis 2 remains one of my favorite PS1 games. Taking that formula to a new generation of consoles seemed like a can't miss. However, making a mediocre sequel with dinosaurs in space on a platform with next to no Japanese following, seems to have doomed the series completely.

Final Fantasy VII - More than any other game, FFVII led to the loss of innocence of the industry. Had the series stayed with Nintendo, Sony may have failed in their attempt to bring big corporations into the gaming hardware business. Had that not happened, perhaps I could be playing the newest release on a Sega console today while bitching about Nintendo.

Madden NFL 2006 - Monopolies suck. Madden 2006 marked the first time the declining series would be unchallenged, removing any need to improve the broken, unrealistic gameplay for which the series has become known.

King of Fighters: NeoWave - KoF:NW marked the first major SNK arcade release off the Neo Geo in over a decade. While evolution was becoming more and more necessary, it was still sad to see such a fantastic piece of hardware ride off into the sunset.

Nintendogs - Though not alone by any stretch, Nintendogs is likely the best poster child for the expansion of the gaming market to people I want to get the hell out of my hobby. With any luck these little bastards will become rabid and kill the grandmothers, little girls, and casuals that are fucking everything up for the rest of us.

R-Type Final - Admittedly not the best game in the series, R-Type Final still was a decent shooter that sadly marked the end of yet another horizontal shooter series. With no successor to G Darius in sight and Gradius VI seemingly canceled, the better side of the genre seems to have died off in favor of cookie cutter, memorization-heavy bullet hell nonsense.

Resident Evil: Survivor, Dino Stalker, etc. - I am more than a bit obsessive and compulsive about my favorite series. Thus, it drives me crazy when companies make a trash cash run with one of them in a genre where they don't belong. Poster children for this concept are the light gun games made from Capcom's survival horror series. I love survival horror and light gun games, but the union does not work. Leave House of the Dead, Vampire Night, and The Lost World to the experts at Sega.

Star Wars Galaxies' "combat revamp" and "new game enhcancements" - No one will ever convince me that Star Wars Galaxies, in its original form, was not the best MMO ever coded. It had the depth of over 30 professions, the ability to mix and match skills in any way up to the skill point limit, deep crafting where all versions of item A were not created equal, a true player-based economy, badges and rewards to make characters unique, and housing to decorate in incredibly unique ways. Then, the dumb fucks at SOE decided that SWG needed to be WoW. It eventually wound up with less than 10 professions and dumbed down combat. Help us, Bioware MMO. You are our only hope.

Poinie's Poin (PS2) - I made the mistake of playing this game when I had a really bad flu. When I'm running a fever, it's as though a fever gremlin crawls through my ear, sets the volume on my brain from 2 to 11, and flips the Hyper Retentive Mode switch to the "On!" position; I couldn't get this game out of my head. The result was the music and sound from Poinie's Poin becoming so mentally interwoven with the feeling of nausea that looking at the cover art literally makes me sick to my stomach.

I hold grudges against people, not games.
1. Mr. I can't buy the game unless you have the strategy guide as well
2. Mr. What are some good games and now that you've shown me a ton of games I'll just buy that RTX Red Rock for $3.99
Also, his brother:
3. Mr. What are some good games and by the way I'm a loser who has played about everything in the store, but I'm not going to mention that until you've shown me all the games anyway.
4. Mr. What are some good RPGs and by RPG I mean stuff like Resident Evil, God of War, and Hitman
5. Mr. I bought these games four years ago for $50 a piece, what do you mean they're only worth $5 each now.
Also his brother:
6. Mr. This game cost me $50 brand new and now that I lost the case and instructions and used the CD as a coaster I should still get at least $45 for it.
7. Ms. What are some good games for little johnny so that I can ignore your suggestions and just get him that Grand Theft Auto he's been asking for so much and all the other kids in his nursery school are playing.
8. Mr. What do you mean you never played this game, you work at a game store.
9.Mr. Do you have Ogre Battle for SNES or Bubble Bath Babes for NES or Bust a Groove for PSX? No, well, this store doesn't have anything.
Then there is always his wife:
10. Ms. Do you have Mario for playstation cause I know there is one I played it at a cousins house.

lol Well played.

Ikaruga - I like Ikaruga. It's a great game, yet a lot of people seem to think it's the only game in the genre released since, well, Radiant Silvergun. I can't count the number of times I've heard people say cringeworthy, hyperbolic bullshit about it and call it the unquestionable pinnacle of the genre. Kinda like...

Radiant Silvergun - The only difference is that Radiant Silvergun isn't a great game.

Rez - benefits from an XBLA release way less than about two million Sega arcade games. This wouldn't be an issue if Microsoft didn't bottleneck XBLA releases as much as they do.

that's so true ssjn.

SSJN must work at Gamestop.

NEVER!
I work at a mom and pop where I get to hear everyone bitch about gamestop; yet they still continue to shop there.

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10. Ms. Do you have Mario for playstation cause I know there is one I played it at a cousins house.

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Why is it ALWAYS the cousin?! It's never any other relative; bullshit videogame stories are are unfaulteringly relayed on behalf of a cousin -- cousins who jumped over the flagpole in Mario, know the nude and/or swear code in Mortal Kombat, beat Sheng Long in Street Fighter, unlocked Link in Super Mario RPG, saved Palom and Porom, played as Protoman in Megaman 3, and totally have a Sega that can play Nintendo tapes.

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the better side of the genre seems to have died off in favor of cookie cutter, memorization-heavy bullet hell nonsense.

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R-Type is king lord god ruler of Memorizationville, even if the vast majority of shooters can be pretty memorization oriented anyway. That aside, I'm surprised you find the subgenres to even be that different in the first place.

Metal Gear Solid - Took console games away from fun and quirky, and pushed them towards imitation movie experiences.

Halo - Turned consoles into gimped PC's.

World of Warcraft - Turned PC gaming into a wasteland.

Crysis - Was too much too soon, and probably convinced every exec of a major publisher out there that PC gaming is dead.

Battlefield 2 - Let every publisher know that fixing bugs is for suckers.

Team Fortress 2 - Let's all play a game from 10 years ago all over again! I love it.

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NEVER!
I work at a mom and pop where I get to hear everyone bitch about gamestop; yet they still continue to shop there.

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same difference. i always loved the girlfriends that would come in and buy games for their boyfriends. one chick wanted Syphon Filter and asked for Syphillis Filter. i told her she was in the wrong kind of store.

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Metal Gear Solid - Took console games away from fun and quirky, and pushed them towards imitation movie experiences.

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You're high. FMV games are much more at fault for what you're accusing MGS of. If anything, you should be praising MGS for portraying its cutscenes using the game's engine rather than breaking away from it for FMV.

oh, another

Street Fighter EX - All quality aside, this gave people the retarded idea that "3d just don't control as well as them sprites".

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same difference.

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Not nearly. I can give my honest opinion on games without fear of being fired, I don't have to push pre-orders, magazines, or other silly shit like that; and ,most importantly, I can spend time in between customers on TNL!

I'd work in that store.

Metal Slug US AES home cartridge. I am an idiot for trading it away for a Neo Geo CD system. Should have kept it and sell it a few years later for big profit.

The floodgates have opened. I think I could go forever. Let's see what I can get out.

SNK VS Capcom Match of the Millenium
Why is there even a debate. Why are you trying to tell me that some game with 8-bit graphics, sound effects, and music, and two button controls, and a shitload of insipid minigames, and nothing which matches the quality of the original Street Fighter II, much less the plethora of fighting games which came out in the years between that and this piece of shit, is a game I should play. Why are you telling me that this is a better game than SNK Vs Capcom. Fuck your roster demands. Fuck your shattered dreams. Judge both games by what they are rather than what you wanted. SNK Vs Capcom is an arcade-quality game that clearly had a lot of care put into it. The other is laughable in comparison. And you want to tell me the handheld game is better? Fuck yourself. Take that tiny cartridge and fuck your asshole with it.

Final Fantasy 6
Start. Star Wars reference. M-m-m-magic. Locke is cockblocked. Kefka laughs. Gau Gau Gau. Leo dies. Ghost train. Floating continent. World almost dies but not really. You feed some fucker fish. Kefka laughs more. Locke is still cockblocked. Airship. Opera. End battle. There, now you have played Final Fantasy 6. THERE ARE TEN BILLION OTHER RPG SERIES YOU NARROW MINDED FUCKS. PLAY THEM. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS GAME FOR ONCE IN YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE.

Final Fantasy 7
The graphics suck. The storyline sucks. The characters suck. The localization sucks. Three-character party limit sucks. The music really, really, really sucks. And yet again, you narrow minded assholes won't shut the fuck up about this game. I sold a case - just a fucking case - of FF7 for $30 while Dodonpachi on Saturn went for $10. What kind of fucking idiots are you goddamned Final Fantasy fans, really.

Radiant Silvergun
Attention each and every one of you fucking journalists that want to write your pathetic review about how much you think the shooter genre has turned into shit and never has anything new: This game is not the end all and be all of the genre by any stretch of the imagination. The pacing and stage layout for this game is deplorable. The ship moves like it has a pole wedged into its asshole.
Be Attitude for Gains:
1) Play Espgaluda and get back to me.
2) This isn't even the best 32-bit generation shooter, much less overall.
3) Shut the fuck up.

World of Warcraft
My mother-in-law (to be) used to do a lot of things; played a lot of videogames, read books, watched movies, listened to classical music, and otherwise led a relatively productive life. Now, her life consists of literally nothing more than the following activities:
· Sleeping
· Shitting
· Eating
· Working
· Laundry on Saturdays
· World of Warcraft
And that's it. That is all she does. She listens to podcasts about World of Warcraft while playing World of Warcraft. Games sit with shrinkwrap intact on them for several years now, and continue to sit and collect dust while she furiously clicks on something and makes numbers shit out of its ass.
I only wish I had the ingenuity to make an animated gif of some monster perpetually in hit-stun animation, with numbers flying from its asshole, and making you pay me $15 a month for the privilege to do so. You want to know what would happen to the rest of the world if each of the 2 million + members of World of Warcraft were wiped off the face of the Earth right now? Actiblizzard would lose income. The end. The people who play this game are absolutely worthless and contribute nothing to the general good of society. They consume our food and breathe our air, and give nothing in return.
If you currently have an account for this game, do yourself, everyone who loves you, and society in general a favor: either -
a) cancel the subscription immediately and uninstall the game, or
b) kill yourself

... wellp, got some work to do. Tune in next post for Nintendo games and who knows what else I'll remember to bitch about.

i was going to put WoW for the 44 days of my life I lost to it. days. What a miserable fucking game.

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You're high. FMV games are much more at fault for what you're accusing MGS of. If anything, you should be praising MGS for portraying its cutscenes using the game's engine rather than breaking away from it for FMV.

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Yeah, all the companies copied Night Trap for the next 10 years.

MMORPGs in general. I've played a total of one in my life, Anarchy Online, and I was jobless at the time and living in California, so no social life either. I just can't imagine the sacrifices I'd have to make to fit an MMORPG into my life otherwise. The second I was out of CA I stopped playing for good, because there just aren't enough hours in the day for the kind of play this genre wants. That so many people are willing to lose so much time on one endlessly repeating experience boggles my mind.

James

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i was going to put WoW for the 44 days of my life I lost to it. days. What a miserable fucking game.

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Street Fighter 3 - Seems fun at low level of play. Then you get better at it, and now its more fun than it was. You think its awesome, whee, better than any other fighting game because you half understand it. What you don't know, is that if you had spent that time with a better fighter, you would be having 10x the fun, and would not get as frustrated. Retro pull at its worst. Got me in for a bit, then I realized it was terrible.

Ruh roh. In before the shit storm.

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Ruh roh. In before the shit storm.

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:lol: Exactly.

My grudge as some have read, is against anybody who

A) Is way way better than me at online gaming
B) Takes it too seriously
C) Role plays in any way shape or form. Dude it's fucking Quake 2, stop calling yourself Grimbot X and using your worst robot impression and play the fucking game already.
D) Anybody who uses the word elite in any known form during online gameplay.

This pretty much eliminates me from enjoying any online games, so I don't play them often.

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Neo Geo Battle Coliseum - Ironic because of its name, NGBC marked the first major SNK arcade release off the Neo Geo in over a decade. While evolution was becoming more and more necessary, it was still sad to see such a fantastic piece of hardware ride off into the sunset.

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NGBC was SNK's second Atomiswave game, unless you're completely ignoring King of Fighters: Neowave (lord knows I did).

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NGBC was SNK's second Atomiswave game, unless you're completely ignoring King of Fighters: Neowave (lord knows I did).

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Damn it. I kept thinking I was forgetting one, but I could not remember what it was. I'll fix.

Cookies and Cream - This game made my girlfriend at the time and I HATE each other for, like, a month.

Play this game if you need an excuse to break up with your significant other. It WILL work.

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Cookies and Cream - This game made my girlfriend at the time and I HATE each other for, like, a month.

Play this game if you need an excuse to break up with your significant other. It WILL work.

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Plimp Plop from Taito Collection as well.

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Star Wars Galaxies' "combat revamp" and "new game enhcancements" - No one will ever convince me that Star Wars Galaxies, in its original form, was not the best MMO ever coded. It had the depth of over 30 professions, the ability to mix and match skills in any way up to the skill point limit, deep crafting where all versions of item A were not created equal, a true player-based economy, badges and rewards to make characters unique, and housing to decorate in incredibly unique ways. Then, the dumb fucks at SOE decided that SWG needed to be WoW. It eventually wound up with less than 10 professions and dumbed down combat. Help us, Bioware MMO. You are our only hope.

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I totally agree!

I'd put in all the effort to master several professions, only to be offered a level 30 something character that couldn't do half the things I'd mastered before. I still have the SWG boxes sitting on a shelf in my office, teasing me with thoughts of just how great that game could have been. :(

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Street Fighter 3 - ... What you don't know, is that if you had spent that time with a better fighter, you would be having 10x the fun, and would not get as frustrated. Retro pull at its worst. Got me in for a bit, then I realized it was terrible.

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I'm sure Capcom is sorry that SFIII doesn't have the infinite versatility of Guilty Gear:

Guilty Gear XX/#R/Slash/Accent Core Strategy Guide:

Baiken : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, drop a tatami mat as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Bridget : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, set the yoyo as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Ky : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, shoot big stun edge as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Eddie : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, meaty attack with little Eddie as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Anji: Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, throw butterfly as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Johnny: Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, throw coin as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Millia : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, set ring as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.
Dizzy : Knock opponent down with throw or chain combo, throw fish or bubble as they're getting up, go for mixups as they block it.


I like Guilty Gear, but I can't believe there's a GG player knocking 3S with a straight face.

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Adventure Island - This is the video game equivalent of someone making a great song, and then someone else doing a lower quality cover of it right afterwards and having it become more popular than the original.

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Was Adventure Island that popular in the first place? Growing up, i only knew one guy who knew of the series. Besides having worse graphics and better music, what does Adventure Island do different than Wonder Boy? From what i understand, Adventure Island was closer to the arcade original than the SMS version, which had an extra level or something.

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=Poinie's Poin (PS2)The result was the music and sound from Poinie's Poin becoming so mentally interwoven with the feeling of nausea that looking at the cover art literally makes me sick to my stomach.

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I don't think that had anything to do with you being sick.

And Jesus, dog$, welcome to GameGO!, where and when all that stuff was relevant. Except World of Warcraft, yeah, that's pretty bad.


The only game that affects me enough to bitch about is Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2, but even thinking about them makes me sick, so i won't.

Adventure Island frustrated me to no end. I still hate that game to this day.

Pokecrap

I was in my early 20's when the Pokeman craze hit. I'd walked into a mall, only to find I was standing in the middle of a Pokeman tournament. A year later, the Gamestop (in that same mall) has people lined up to the doors for the first Pokeman game on the Gameboy.

Years later, I'd tried to play Pokeman Gold on the GBC, only to find the RPG gameplay was far worse than that of the first Final Fantasy, the battles were nothing more than rock, paper, scissors and the storyline sucked. Why do you sheeple keep buying this crap!?

I love Radiant Silvergun, but I never get tired of seeing dog$ bitch about it.

God of War: It had some cool moments, but a lot of it left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt like everyone who touched it was mistaking high production values for great gameplay, and nobody noticed but me. I never did get to play through the sequel, and I probably won't ever bother.

Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun: Tain and dog$ said it, pretty much. I can't believe that people still namedrop these to try to buy hardcore cred. Ikaruga bores the shit out of me and RS was a profound disappointment because the hype ate away at my brain before I finally did get to play it. I wonder if the US GC Ikaruga sells for a decent amount these days.

Goldeneye: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU MORONS NO IT IS NOT "THE FATHER OF FPS GAMES" NO IT IS NOT EVEN A GOOD GAME. THIS GAME SUCKS. IT'S 2008. STOP FUCKING PLAYING IT. STOP ASKING FOR IT ON XBLA. JUST. STOP.

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NOW MY GRUDGE IS AGAINST YOU, GAMEVET.

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Goldeneye: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU MORONS NO IT IS NOT "THE FATHER OF FPS GAMES" NO IT IS NOT EVEN A GOOD GAME. THIS GAME SUCKS. IT'S 2008. STOP FUCKING PLAYING IT. STOP ASKING FOR IT ON XBLA. JUST. STOP.

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I never cared for this game either.

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NOW MY GRUDGE IS AGAINST YOU, GAMEVET.

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Was it the sheeple comment, or my hating on Pokeman?

Would you prefer Lemming?

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R-Type is king lord god ruler of Memorizationville, even if the vast majority of shooters can be pretty memorization oriented anyway.

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I was gonna say the same thing. Dissing memorization-heavy shooters while trumpeting the greatness of R-Type Final is akin to decrying junk food while spraying particles out of your fat mouth filled with McDonald's french fries and bone chip-ridden meat.


Persona - PS1:

I've told this story on here before I think. I played about 45 hours into the first Persona game when it came out whenever that was. I read about, and then fulfilled the requirements to squeeze an extra ten hours out of the end-game in an attempt to see the true ending.

Anyway, the final dungeon is seriously like four hours long -- without a save point. Yes, you see where this is going. By now, I've grown to absolutely loathe everything about the game's battle system, and want nothing except to be done and move on to something else.

Long story short, the final boss kills me. After four hours in this horribly tedious dungeon. Dead. All that time wasted. I could try again, but that would mean reloading before entering the dungeon, leveling up a bunch, and then trudging through with the possibility of dying once more at the hands of the final boss, and losing another four hours.

I was so devastated with frustration at the waste of time, I literally put my head in my hands in cried.

Real tears.

After a bit, more furious at the game than any other in my entire life, I erased the save file. I had to make sure I could never, ever try again, as my stubborn nature almost guaranteed I would at some point if I didn't destroy the file now while still in the clutches of this most profound pain.

This thread is humorous. I don't like a lot of Ikaruga fans but I still like the game and own it for both DC and GC. I don't like Goldeneye but that's because it's a shitty game with terrible controls and poor balancing, and not because of the incredibly true reasons that Grave listed. People are actually asking for it on XBLA? Really? Have they played it since it came out?

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I just can't imagine the sacrifices I'd have to make to fit an MMORPG into my life otherwise.

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A couple hours a week. Sure, you could play it like dog$'s mother-in-law but one of the reasons WoW is so popular is because you don't have to play it like that, you don't have to burn up an entire weekend just trying to get a pretty new hat or whatever. You can sit down, play for a little, and then be on with your life. Unless you've got a raging hardon for being an internet asshole in which case you'll probably lose yourself in Barrens chat and the Night Elf forest for weeks before realizing how long you've playing.

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And Jesus, dog$, welcome to GameGO!, where and when all that stuff was relevant.

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I lol'ed.

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I felt like everyone who touched it was mistaking high production values for great gameplay, and nobody noticed but me.

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I play them specifically for the production values and 14-year-old-boy-awesomeness-writing, though I do really wonder about people that think it plays better than DMC or NG.

Panzer Dragoon Saga- Insanely over rated and boring as all hell
Nights- Thought it was just very average and didn't appeal to me at all.
Anything with Dance Dance in the title.

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Was Adventure Island that popular in the first place? Growing up, i only knew one guy who knew of the series. Besides having worse graphics and better music, what does Adventure Island do different than Wonder Boy? From what i understand, Adventure Island was closer to the arcade original than the SMS version, which had an extra level or something.

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It wasn't super popular like Mario or anything but I have come across tons of people on the internet that have played Adventure Island but not Wonder Boy, moreso than the other way around. It's because of the NES' dominance of that era in North America and a lot of gamers being too young to have experienced arcades at the time. It's probably different on message boards with a European majority, though.

Adventure Island isn't hugely different but with a dive in colour and detail, inferior character design, less appealing music (IMO), and slower movement, it's easily the weaker version. Arcade WB, SMS WB, and AI all feel slightly different control-wise but I don't think it's enough to make one stand above the others. SMS WB does have some additional level parts. The "Monster World" sub-series of WB is better than the first game anyway but I still don't like seeing people play only Hudson's version of the original.

Arcana Heart: This game is pretty much everything wrong with fighting games today. It's a game that manages to be more inaccessible than Guilty Gear, contains more stupid generic moe anime bullshit than Melty Blood, and with combos that go on longer than your average game of SSF2T. To top it off not only was the game poorly tested, the developer charged several hundred dollars for a minor upgrade three months after the initial game came out, and was able to shove it down operators throats because they convinced Japan's largest tournament to run the updated version of the game even though they had already had held several qualifiers for the old game (to be fair, the update made for a much better game at a competitive level).

Yet, the US scene has a weird hard-on for this game. Went to a major tournament in Philly about a month back and there were nearly 50 people in a tournament for this game, ugh! Then again, there were just as many people in the Melty Blood tournament and over 100 people in the Guilty Gear tournament, so that's just where that community is heading.

Kingdom Hearts: Fuck this fucking game (fucker). It combines two companies that I just can not stand in a game that is just dreadful in every sense, from the god-awful camera to the awful ship segments to a story I give less than a shit about. There are a lot of bad games out there but there are few I truly despise, and this is one of them.

This thread has been nothing short of pure entertainment.

I'm inclined to defend Ikaruga. No, it isn't the greatest shooter of all time but it is more than excellent.

As for my grudge crap:
Nintendo: For brainwashing the world into thinking that the Japanese invented and perfected videogames. This leads into...
Commodore: For having the worst marketing on the planet and a business strategy that entirely revolved around gobbling up smaller companies instead of actually doing R&D themselves. There was no reason apart from Commodore's stupidity that the C64 and Amiga were marginalized in North America.
Zelda II: Nothing equals the frustration of sitting down to finally finish the game, only to discover that your saves disappeared.
Oblivion: Don't get me wrong. I adore this game. However, while the actual gameplay was a massive improvement over Morrowind, the quest structure was a major step back. Very few quests were mutually exclusive and it was possible to do every questline in a single playthrough - something that wasn't possible in Morrowind. It felt less like a dynamic, living world than Morrowind did thanks to the more gamer-friendly changes.
Cave fanboys: For convincing every shooter developer out there that there's nothing worth making besides bullet hell shooters. And for voting utter garbage like Guwange into the annual Shmups top 25 poll.

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Panzer Dragoon Saga- Insanely over rated and boring as all hell
Nights- Thought it was just very average and didn't appeal to me at all.
Anything with Dance Dance in the title.

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SwordQuest: This is the only game I hated so much I bought the whole series, not because I enjoyed them, but in a desperate attempt to comprehend them. I knew they were bad game, but I needed to understand the twisted logic that led someone to believe that this was a game they were making 3 times. I kept buying them hoping it would illuminate the mystery, but it never did.

Sonic Adventure- for giving us "voice talent" and the oh so engaging gameplay to be expected from a 3D Sonic game.

Mario 64- I love Mario 64, but every other 3D platformer turning into a fetch quest (wave for the folks Rare) was a serious side effect.

Tekken- not even in the same league as Virtua Fighter yet it's by far the more popular choice (around here anyway)

Shemnue 2- I know broken record. It would have sold shitty on DC, and ended up selling shitty on Xbox, MS hit a nerve on that one.

Cave- great games but the template is wearing thin. 5 levels, two loops, alternate laser/beam when button is held, chains ahoy. Border Down, Gradius V, and Zanac X Zanac are the last shooters I've enjoyed that didn't seem to be vying for this company's mantle. *-neo

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I can get behind this. I might consider Cave to be the best shooter developer, and Guwange is amazing presentation wise, but I can't believe how highly some people think of it.

And then some get all disappointed when Cave releases Deathsmiles because it's light and horizontal. Fuck that.

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SwordQuest: This is the only game I hated so much I bought the whole series, not because I enjoyed them, but in a desperate attempt to comprehend them. I knew they were bad game, but I needed to understand the twisted logic that led someone to believe that this was a game they were making 3 times. I kept buying them hoping it would illuminate the mystery, but it never did.

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holy shit YES! i had all of these bastard 2600 games. fuck it they were even beatable games. i have yet to find conclusive evidence on the web if they were.

Ghostbusters NES: Made me hate videogames for several months, once upon a time. Built an awesome fort outside that summer, so it wasn't a total loss. I wish the lesson would have stuck sometimes.

Neo Geo Pocket Color: If I had known it was on it's last leg, I'd have never started with it. All too brief.

Super Mario Sunshine: THIS is why I picked up a GameCube?! Horrible. Had a better time with P.N.03.

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As for my grudge crap:
Nintendo: For brainwashing the world into thinking that the Japanese invented and perfected videogames.

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On that note, I left off grudges that weren't individual games but fabrications of history caused by gamers and the media are at the top of my list. There's not much more annoying in gaming discussion than having someone tell you that gaming was dead and buried in 1985 until the NES came out, and calling you an idiot for saying otherwise. These people are almost always not old enough to remember entering a mall or arcade in the mid '80s, not surprisingly. But I'm sure I have ranted enough about this before. At least TNL generally knows better. It's more a problem at less informed places.

Speaking of MMORPG and waste of time, I spent over 6.5 months in Asheron's Call over a period of 3.5 years. MONTHS. WTF.

Resident Evil
Contra. Metal Slug. Doom. Halo. Gears of War.
Imagine playing any of these games without being able to move and shoot simultaneously. For the first time in videogame history there would be full universal consensus, and it would be as to what unplayable garbage such a game would be. But that's not the point of RE, you're saying; it's a survival horror game. That would be an acceptable argument except RE enables you to become a walking militia. In an actual survival horror game such as Alone in the Dark or Silent Hill, enemy encounters and interaction are actually tense because you dont have 200 pounds of rocket launchers and machine guns in your coat. Not to mention that it's pretty fucking hard to be "horrifed" at something like in the old games when there was one window which had a different colored texture than the rest in the background - I wonder where the dog/bat/zombie is going to jump in from????. Now you're saying RE has elements of survival horror but it's more action-oriented. Well if it wants to be action oriented, why does it insist on being contrary to 30 years of common videogame logic where if your protagonist's main means of action are to (a) move and (b) shoot, you can't do both at the same time like any normal human would. Any game that played like RE without the game's namesake would be widely panned as an unplayable, unfocussed mess - particularly with the usually laughable script and storyline presentation. That some people insist on naming RE4 one of the best games ever made shows how sorry videogaming as a whole is.

Guilty Gear
I wanted to call this the Chatting Parodius of fighting games, but that's doing it too much of a positive service. Parodius was just some frilly shooter that nobody really took seriously. The only thing more vocal than the characters in Guilty Gear is its fanbase who insist on parading around how goddamned deep the game is and run through a list of all these moves and gameplay options which all add up to a game that's pure offense. That bores me. A good battle is a give and take, a tense struggle to hang onto your life while beating theirs down, a teeth-grinding anticipation to wait for the right moment to strike. GG offers one-hit kills. I don't care how easy they are to detect or evade - they're still there.

Super Mario 64
Yeah, when I was younger and a lot more retarded than I am now, I managed to convince myself pretty well that this was the pinnacle of electronic entertainment. And I played the hell out of the game. And I got 120 stars. And then I realized that after doing that, I had no reason to play the game ever again. And I didn't.
The reason: if you acquired 120 stars in this game as I have, how does the game show whether you or I did a better job of it? The answer is it doesn't. The answer is that the game gives absolutely no provision to develop any sort of skill to play it or reward you for doing so. I think this is why Galaxy isn't quite impressing people as they were anticipating, and why it's not having nearly any sort of tremendous impact on the entire videogame scene as SM64 did - without any means to reward or develop skill, all the game offers is places to have Mario explore. If you don't care about having Mario explore places, there's no reason to play the game.
But does that stop either Mario game mentioned from being named near the top of Top 100 of All Time lists and other self-serving crap? Does it stop Galaxy or SM64 from running up the list at Gamerankings? Not in the least. And that is pure bullshit. I've said it before - I want to see a journalist's review of SMG with a score of 7 saying "it's a great game if you're a fan of the series". It won't happen. Because most people have no fucking standards.

Smash Brothers
Everyone knows that bringing this shit up when other fighting games are being discussed causes a deserved shitstorm, yet it happens every single fucking time. Fuck wavedashing. Fuck tournament rules. Fuck your combo videos. I don't fucking care. Keep your shit out.

Super Monkey Ball
It's Marble Madness with extra minigames. Big fucking deal. Why am I supposed to care about this? What's so fucking fantastic about these games? Nothing that I can tell. Go from Point A to B. OK, great. How about giving me something I might care to do.

Umihara Kawase
Sold to me on the premise that "If you love Bionic Commando, you'll love this game!". And I do, so after a while I finally make the effort to hunt it down. It comes in. I put it in. I have the bitch swing out and latch onto something. I'm just sitting there hooked onto the side, and she'll bounce a lil bit... then a lot... then quicker but not as far in a different direction... and I can't make heads or fucking tails of where exactly she's going to go at any given time. Swell. Then I play through a few levels of boredom and then I encounter the stage with the gigantic tadpole shithead that drops down and consumes the entire stage while you try to navigate your way out of an inversed C with nowhere to go. This game gives no difficulty curve, people, it gives a difficulty brick fucking wall. You'll cruise along a few levels and go from A to B thinking "yeah this is sorta OK" and then out of nowhere the game grabs you by your lovehandles and rams its needle-lined penis into your asshole until you die from blood loss. Oh, and you can't complain about this, either - appearently it's your fault if you can't deal with it. Oh and then after I go through all the trouble of finding this fucking game I come to find out there's an even rarer and more expensive revision of this bullshit. Fuck you. So much effort for nothing.

Pop'n Music
OK. Let's take Beatmania IIDX, add two buttons, make the buttons giant disc things which are completely abstract, get rid of the turntables, get rid of any sort of visual stimulation beyond two super-generic anime characters idly standing at the sides, crank up the pastel colors and homosexuality to 200%, and this is what you get. That this has become Konami's most profitable Bemani series is a pretty damning indictment on Japanese video game players in general. Play IIDX or go home, you fags.

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On that note, I left off grudges that weren't individual games but fabrications of history caused by gamers and the media are at the top of my list. There's not much more annoying in gaming discussion than having someone tell you that gaming was dead and buried in 1985 until the NES came out, and calling you an idiot for saying otherwise. These people are almost always not old enough to remember entering a mall or arcade in the mid '80s, not surprisingly. But I'm sure I have ranted enough about this before. At least TNL generally knows better. It's more a problem at less informed places.

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God save me from morons who confuse "Not as popular as in the 2600 heyday" with "Dead and buried". Gaming was fine, the arcades were full of great games, and there was more amazing stuff to play than time to play it. I realize it's accepted as general knowledge that the NES was gaming's salvation from an early grave, but it's just plain bullshit. Thank god we've got the general media to always get any facts they publish about gaming wrong.

James

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This game gives no difficulty curve, people, it gives a difficulty brick fucking wall. You'll cruise along a few levels and go from A to B thinking "yeah this is sorta OK" and then out of nowhere the game grabs you by your lovehandles and rams its needle-lined penis into your asshole until you die from blood loss.

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Poetry is alive and well on TNL.

Oh shit I have one...fuck I actually had to think about this too because I was so pissed that I forgot about it..

3d Worldrunner NES
I was a kid who actually cleared every single bullshit level with the insane timed jumps that I know I'm no longer capable of. I make it to the last boss on world 9 and kill it. The screen flashes for a moment and I see this on my screen..

Please insert Disk 2

WTF @ SQUARE GOD DAMN FUCKING UNFINISHED HORSEMONKEYBULLSHIT!!

Seriously? lol That's fucking classic.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance-
Gee, I really loved Final Fantasy tactics. The story/settings eskewed sappy wappy f-chan bullshit in favor of a Square-style spin on the culture and political drama of the Middle Ages. It was at once fantasy, yet also somehow felt "real", which made it special. How should we follow this up? By appealing to the lowest common denominator of Japanese consumers (read: 99% of them) and fill it with GODDAMN SAPPY WAPPY F-CHAN BULLSHIT FUCKFUCKFUCKSHITCOCKASSFUCK.

Shenmue-
Shut the fuck up.

Halo-
Oh, you kids haven't played a PC fps in the last 10 years? Thats cute. What? Oh, yeah yeah, sure its the greatest game ever made. And it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside to know that now, every single fps released will have regenerating health.

Metroid Prime, Mario, Smash Bros.-
Oh, thanks Nintendo. Throw us 3 genuinely good games (I'll give you Metroid, but I think it sucks) a generation, and a bunch of idiots can keep championing your lazy efforts and ignore the true, irrefutable shittyness of your current and previous console. And we get to be subjected to rant after rant from ignorant f-sluts about how Nintendo games are the true passion of the hardcore/legtimate/whateverthefuck gamer, and we are all a bunch of philistines for preferring anything else. You are resting on your fucking laurels Nintendo, and if I recall, thats what caused your first plummet, post-SNES. I'm not one for system-wars, but I'd love to rip out the teeth of every Nintendo nerd i can find with a set of pliers. I hope the next stupid idea that Miyamoto forces the company to produce is something that will lead to your painful death. I'm sure you'd still thank them for it.

Socom-
I don't consider myself snooty, especially when this series started, so why couldn't everyone else see the shitty graphics, shitty gameplay, shitty everything?

You were a Shenmue mistake away from getting rep.

Regenerating health really is a shitty trend.

Shenmue is the only game on his list I like, but "STFU" is the one comment that made me laugh.

I'd rep him, but I recently gave him a point for the thread icons.

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Super Mario 64
Yeah, when I was younger and a lot more retarded than I am now, I managed to convince myself pretty well that this was the pinnacle of electronic entertainment. And I played the hell out of the game. And I got 120 stars. And then I realized that after doing that, I had no reason to play the game ever again. And I didn't.
The reason: if you acquired 120 stars in this game as I have, how does the game show whether you or I did a better job of it? The answer is it doesn't. The answer is that the game gives absolutely no provision to develop any sort of skill to play it or reward you for doing so.

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Uh... how about playing the game because you enjoy playing it? What do most games offer as an intrinsic reward, beyond a sense of self-improvement (or if you want to be less kind, you can call it mental masturbation).

Typically most games are played until either the player grows tired of the experience or they have exhausted all of the content. There's nothing wrong with playing Mario 64 and stopping once you get all 120 stars, because you've done everything.

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Pop'n Music
...Play IIDX or go home, you fags.

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Pop'n Music
OK. Let's take Beatmania IIDX, add two buttons, make the buttons giant disc things which are completely abstract, get rid of the turntables, get rid of any sort of visual stimulation beyond two super-generic anime characters idly standing at the sides, crank up the pastel colors and homosexuality to 200%, and this is what you get. That this has become Konami's most profitable Bemani series is a pretty damning indictment on Japanese video game players in general. Play IIDX or go home, you fags.

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This is stupid. You seem to be complaining because Pop'n is as far away from IIDX as possible, while still being a music game with a unique control scheme. Which is of course the whole point. It's demographic is people intimidated by beatmania's turntable and small piano-like keys, or non-plussed with the techno-heavy song selection. Its success does nothing to hinder the IIDX releases. In fact, it's probably the opposite. Pop'n's success has likely helped IIDX survive by making Konami tons of money, and by bringing new people into the genre.

Halo 2-just seems lame to me compared to 1

Socom-I spent a week trying to figure out the first mission, I gave up on the game and came back 2 months later after giving up on the game and then I figured out what I had to do. Made me hate the series, then I got online and loved it and got good at the singleplayer.

DMC3-totally shit compared to 1 and 2

All the tony hawk games after Underground, I used to skate and Tony used to make games that appealed to me. Now its all arcady and over the top, really lame game compared to the Underground.

COD3-it was filler content tell 4, COD fans face it, it was crap.

there are plenty of others that I'm to lazy to list

Battletoads NES - Friendships were lost because of this game.

GTA - The games are shitty in the first place, but that's another matter. My problem with GTA is the fucking idiot gamers that it created, I had to deal with that trailer park trash every day. I was happier when they just had Madden and Wrasslin games.

Every collectathon that doesn't give you a decent reward for getting everything - I seriously think I have some form of OCD, I have to get everything in those collectathon games. And one thing that pisses me off like no other is if I go through all the work to get EVERYTHING and get jack shit for it. Good examples of this are Loco Roco and the original Jak & Daxter. Take a page from the Ratchet and Clank/Sly Cooper books people, make something genuinely cool for people wo get everything. And also don't let it be accessed with a cheat code, that's bullshit.

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DMC3-totally shit compared to 1 and 2

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I hold grudges against people, not games.
1. Mr. I can't buy the game unless you have the strategy guide as well
2. Mr. What are some good games and now that you've shown me a ton of games I'll just buy that RTX Red Rock for $3.99
Also, his brother:
3. Mr. What are some good games and by the way I'm a loser who has played about everything in the store, but I'm not going to mention that until you've shown me all the games anyway.
4. Mr. What are some good RPGs and by RPG I mean stuff like Resident Evil, God of War, and Hitman
5. Mr. I bought these games four years ago for $50 a piece, what do you mean they're only worth $5 each now.
Also his brother:
6. Mr. This game cost me $50 brand new and now that I lost the case and instructions and used the CD as a coaster I should still get at least $45 for it.
7. Ms. What are some good games for little johnny so that I can ignore your suggestions and just get him that Grand Theft Auto he's been asking for so much and all the other kids in his nursery school are playing.
8. Mr. What do you mean you never played this game, you work at a game store.
9.Mr. Do you have Ogre Battle for SNES or Bubble Bath Babes for NES or Bust a Groove for PSX? No, well, this store doesn't have anything.
Then there is always his wife:
10. Ms. Do you have Mario for playstation cause I know there is one I played it at a cousins house.

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A day in my shoes SSJN, a day in my shoes.

Just a couple games that irk me:

Tekken - A competition to see who can land two juggle combos in a row. I'm not a big fan of 3D fighters at all, but at least I see how much better the newer Virtua Fighters are compared to the newer Tekkens.

Mortal Kombat - A fucking block button? People are just getting this for the gore now, there is no way in hell anyone's buying them for the gameplay.

I'm sure there are a ton more that'll hit me later on.

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Seriously, who's joke account is this guy?

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It's already been comfirmed that i'm not a joke account, I played with ElCaptian and BrandonX today in COD4. Thats my honest opinion about DMC3, I thought it was shit compared to the first two, and i'm looking forward to DMC4 getting back to what made 1 and 2 great.

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It's already been comfirmed that i'm not a joke account, I played with ElCaptian and BrandonX today in COD4. Thats my honest opinion about DMC3, I thought it was shit compared to the first two, and i'm looking forward to DMC4 getting back to what made 1 and 2 great.

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If you're not a dupe, then you must be mentally retarded to even think DMC2 is a decent game, let alone a great game.

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If you're not a dupe, then you must be mentally retarded to even think DMC2 is a decent game, let alone a great game.

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Some people didn't like the story, and that was the main reason why it got review so low. But I liked the story and the gameplay way more than DMC3's, at the time DMC2 looked really good. It was comparable to Assasigns Creed, some people like and some people don't. But the graphics and the overall story was good enough to get me to like it.

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Some people didn't like the story, and that was the main reason why it got review so low.

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No, the awful graphics, gameplay, and general vibe of being a rushed game from a second-tier team was what did it. The bad story is assumed for this series and no one cares.

Frog covered it.

you guys make me sick, I really liked that game, and at the time you can't say it had bad gameplay or graphics, it played and looked as good as any other good game. It wasn't great by any means of the imagination, but it was better than average.

IDK maby i'm just full of shit for liking the game back then.

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it played and looked as good as any other good game. It wasn't great by any means of the imagination, but it was better than average.

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No, it didn't and it wasn't. It played and looked worse then DMC1.

DMC1
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...ael88/dmc1.jpg
DMC2
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/dmc2_1212_7.jpg

here are two screen shots that were taken by IGN, IDK which one looks the best, i'm leaning torwards the second.

Who.... givesafuck?

You mean that second screenshot that doesn't even load?

Nice work.

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I don't, bbobb got his knickers in his twist when I said that DMC2 was a good game.

Oh. It's not. Neither is DMC 1 or 3.

Glad we figured that one out together.

Yeah, I don't like any of them, but DMC2 is just an obviously rushed piece of shit as opposed to a highly polished turd.

I guess the 4 million fuck tards that bought this game were all dumbasses, and should of never of bought the games because you guys make it seem like it was a game that wasn't worth playing.

And...?

well the game has a pretty big fan base, and there must be a reason for that. You guys are all full of yourselves...

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well the game has a pretty big fan base, and there must be a reason for that. You guys are all full of yourselves...

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It doesn't have a fan base. You are literally the first person I have ever heard say it was better than 3 or as good as 1.

I guess I have a "unique" taste in video games

Understatement of the year, that.

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Halo 2-just seems lame to me compared to 1

Socom-I spent a week trying to figure out the first mission, I gave up on the game and came back 2 months later after giving up on the game and then I figured out what I had to do. Made me hate the series, then I got online and loved it and got good at the singleplayer.

DMC3-totally shit compared to 1 and 2

All the tony hawk games after Underground, I used to skate and Tony used to make games that appealed to me. Now its all arcady and over the top, really lame game compared to the Underground.

COD3-it was filler content tell 4, COD fans face it, it was crap.

there are plenty of others that I'm to lazy to list

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http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1201066690

I hope Chux bans you for posting a disruptive picture like he did me, it seem's only fair.

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Street Fighter 3 - Seems fun at low level of play. Then you get better at it, and now its more fun than it was. You think its awesome, whee, better than any other fighting game because you half understand it. What you don't know, is that if you had spent that time with a better fighter, you would be having 10x the fun, and would not get as frustrated. Retro pull at its worst. Got me in for a bit, then I realized it was terrible.

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To be perfectly honest, I never got anywhere close to good at Street Fighter III. I've watched plenty of it, though, and good players use one of three characters (Chun Li, Yun, Ken) and play footsies constantly. I just don't get the appeal. I love Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

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Super Mario 64
Yeah, when I was younger and a lot more retarded than I am now, I managed to convince myself pretty well that this was the pinnacle of electronic entertainment.

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You hid this secret exceptionally well, especially by videotaping your immolation of a Nintendo 64 t-shirt.

My personal list of grudges:

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past -- It's got a charming world and probably has great dungeons, but after a few hours of getting hit randomly by bombs and enemies hidden in the grass the player is encouraged to constantly chop down, I just didn't care. It may seem innocuous but it is infinitely irritating.

God of War -- I was enjoying God of War perfectly well until it started being heralded as the greatest thing ever. Won numerous game of the year awards in spite of much better games being released and it totally overshadows superior action games (Zone of the Enders 2, Devil May Cry 3 spank it). It's a mindless brawler that's fun but really light on substance.

Burnout 3 -- Another game I liked until it started getting phrases like "best racing game" thrown at it. The Burnout series is expertly programmed and always visually exciting, but as a racing game it's really not that good. The driving mechanics are shallow, racing lines don't matter, and you race against rubberbands, not the clock.

Need for Speed -- Another pop racing franchise with little substance. I hate that it sells so well.

Grand Theft Auto III -- It's so innovative that it does everything GTAs 1 and 2 did but in 3D with additional wantonness. It doesn't do anything particularly well, does many things particularly poorly, but somehow became the icon of a generation. Fantastic.

Guitar Hero II, II.V, III and Rock Band -- Hey, it was cute when they simplified Frequency and gave it a big controller the first time, but how much longer is this going to go on before everyone stops drooling over it. Also, thanks for perpetrating some of the most big-publisher-friendly DLC in memory and continuing to milk it. I wish people would stop being excited for this shit.

Ninja Gaiden -- Quite simply the worst camera ever in major release in a not-even-that-good action game, but because it's gorgeous and ball-bustingly difficult, it's got a rabid fanbase of kids that think people didn't like the game just 'cause the haters aren't as good as them. Pro Tip: Run up a wall and slash down for the most effective way to beat everything and you too can be as good as the fans of this game.

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I hope Chux bans you for posting a disruptive picture like he did me, it seem's only fair.

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The thing is he's right so it's not disruptive. You are doing it wrong. Every game you listed is just a game you didn't like, or were unhappy with. This thread isn't supposed to be about that. Read Neo's post again:

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So technically your post was the original disruptive and off topic one.

Also it seems Markryan is doing it wrong too.

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It doesn't have a fan base. You are literally the first person I have ever heard say it was better than 3 or as good as 1.

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But I will say that it's decent. I played through the game with both characters on all difficulty levels before I threw in the towel, and by the end, yeah, I was pretty sick of it. The repetition is pretty severe and the game is never really that difficult, even cranked as high as it goes. I could not really recommend it, but I never really regretted picking it up. It's just not what DMC ought to be. Still, it's not as bad as, say, Nanobreaker.

edit: MarkRyan, I would have probably had some not-so-nice words to say for "not getting" SF3 while you play MvC2, but... sometime last summer, MvC2 and I came to something of an understanding. I can't really explain it, but I find I really like the game. It's strange. Something just feels right now.

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Those aren't my least favorite games, they're games "with something that bugs you. So, if you blame a game for the decline of the industry or for giving you an STD, this is the list for it."

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edit: MarkRyan, I would have probably had some not-so-nice words to say for "not getting" SF3 while you play MvC2, but... sometime last summer, MvC2 and I came to something of an understanding. I can't really explain it, but I find I really like the game. It's strange. Something just feels right now.

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It is the greatest :)

Wow, is Mark on my side?

Look post a picture of a Giraffe boning a donkey in the ass is offensive and there is no need for it. Even if you don't agree with me, that doesn't make me wrong, you know that right. I realise that its a two way street and I understand that you guys didn't like DMC2. I do, so let the arguement go.

This has nothing to do with whether or not we like DMC2. Neo said

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not including mere disappointment with their quality. We have already had "most disappointing" and "worst" lists

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and you came out with this:

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Halo 2-just seems lame to me compared to 1

DMC3-totally shit compared to 1 and 2

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How is that not just listing games you didn't like?

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Originally Posted by MarkRyan

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past -- It's got a charming world and probably has great dungeons, but after a few hours of getting hit randomly by bombs and enemies hidden in the grass the player is encouraged to constantly chop down, I just didn't care. It may seem innocuous but it is infinitely irritating.

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Wow. I'm not saying your complaint is wrong, but I'm still amazed you focused on one minor flaw in an otherwise universally appealing game.

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Grand Theft Auto III -- It's so innovative that it does everything GTAs 1 and 2 did but in 3D with additional wantonness. It doesn't do anything particularly well, does many things particularly poorly, but somehow became the icon of a generation. Fantastic.

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This is completely true, but the only reason it's an icon is because it was a breakthrough success.

It's like Final Fantasy VII -- a who-gives-a-shit sequel that changed the industry because it was a commercial proving ground.