Persona 3: FES - YAY!

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Originally Posted by Thief Silver

... It's really not that big of deal. The append disk would have been $30 as well, so the only difference is you would have already spent the extra $50 before others, so you could laugh at them for this.

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The only ones laughing right now are Atlus (seeing as they are bending me over, and scored an extra $20+ out of me), and everyone who didnt buy P3. I dont know about you, but I dont have a ton of time to endlessly put in RPG's so I try to get everything on my first playthrough, so I can move on to another in the pile. Atlus bringing FES out this quickly makes me wonder if they couldnt have just put this in the original to begin with...

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Originally Posted by epmode

It's not totally worthless to play the original P3. Your academics/athletics/charm stats all carry over to FES if you have a P3 save file. Gets rid of a lot of the stat grinding.

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This makes me feel a little better. And I GUESS it would be cool to see and recognize the differences in the two.

I dont know. Im really torn between, the "Im really glad we are getting this new stuff which I didnt think we were going to get" and "Im pissed at Atlus for hooking up everyone else" ideals.

FES is a rather large expansion on top of a huge game, which already required a massive localization. Maybe some of the larger companies can afford to take risks like that, but RPGs are pretty niche these days (with few exceptions) and Atlus is certainly no SquareEnix.

And as others have already written, you'd very likely be paying ~$30 for the append disc if they had released both versions.

Well, localization was probably well under way when FES came out in Japan, right? If they delayed it to translate FES, we might not be getting the game until now!

...and apparently that's what's happening in Europe. But they're not getting FES. Ouch.

Anyway, I got the game last year and it's great. Best RPG I've played in years. In fact, one of the few I've actually cared about in a really long time. There's no excuses left for anyone! Play it. It's really, really great. I will gladly get FES when it comes out.

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Originally Posted by epmode

And as others have already written, you'd very likely be paying ~$30 for the append disc if they had released both versions.

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Yeah, I guess you're right.

Okay, I feel a bit better about it. Ill just keep playing and re-start up FES when I finish.

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Originally Posted by Grave

Well, localization was probably well under way when FES came out in Japan, right? If they delayed it to translate FES, we might not be getting the game until now!

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This is exactly what happened. Atlus was put in a bit of a spot, and (I'm sure) they tried to find the best solution.

Considering that there's little to no way the append disc alone would sell for less than $30, I'd say this is a pretty great solution! I didn't really expect we'd get FES at all until the countdown, even with the rumors and the voice casting stuff. It makes me want to unhinge my jaw like a snake so I could kiss all of Atlus. But that would probably make them very uncomfortable.

So how does FES work? Is it an expansion that happens after the main game, or are new things scattered throughout?

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Originally Posted by bVork

So how does FES work? Is it an expansion that happens after the main game, or are new things scattered throughout?

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http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/s...8&postcount=67

I don't think I'll get around to playing this again, but I plan to buy it anyway. I never bought P3 (since I got a "trade demo" reviewable). $30 is definitely nice.

The fact that the Aegis episode is accessible seperately is nice. I think I still have my saves, but I definitely don't think I'm going to burn through a 90 game again any time soon.

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Originally Posted by bVork

So how does FES work? Is it an expansion that happens after the main game, or are new things scattered throughout?

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What Mech/shidoshi posted + there's a new dungeon-crawly bonus storyline that takes place after the game ends. It's long and (by most accounts) very difficult, even on Normal. You can play it even if you haven't beaten the main game.

Hay look, a Persona 3 (not FES) review: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93308

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Each Persona has a certain "type", and that type is connected to a Social Link you've made in the game - a connection with a person or group of people. The stronger the Social Link, the stronger the Persona you can create of that type. So, yes, what we've just described is a system where you go through a bright, happy school environment making friends and relationships - purely so that you can then feed on the strength of those relationships when you need to summon up demons from your own subconscious.

This is the other key link between Persona 3's two distinct games, and the element which lifts it from greatness to magnificence. Persona 3 is a little bit wrong. It knows it's wrong, and it revels in it. Summoning those Personas we mentioned? That's accomplished by taking out a gun and shooting yourself in the head. Oh, it's dressed up - it's not a gun, it's an "Evoker" - but ultimately the animation, each time you invoke a Persona, is of a young teenager placing a gun to their skull and blowing their own brains out. Some of the earlier (beautifully animated and stylised) cut-scenes show extended, harrowing scenes of kids summoning up the courage to do just that.

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http://www.got-next.com/reviews_read.php?id=654

So we're just suddenly linking to old P3 reviews now?

http://playmagazine.com/index.php?fu...ge&Game_ID=634

It really baffles me how Frog could play this for 80 hours and not become infuriated with the ridiculously bland dungeons and repetitive social link activities. Don't get me wrong, I do like the game, but there are a lot of parts where I felt like I was on a treadmill rather than part of a story.

I think it helps a lot that the game gives you so much freedom to do what you want to do when you want to do it. If you were forced to do each activity for X amount of time it would definitely have gotten under my skin.

I enjoyed the game, but it wasn't my favorite SMT game. I personally thought, it was to easy. Still I enjoyed it, when I get FES I'll try it on hard.

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Originally Posted by shidoshi

So we're just suddenly linking to old P3 reviews now?

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The Eurogamer one is new (since it's being released there very shortly). But I like yours too!

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

I think it helps a lot that the game gives you so much freedom to do what you want to do when you want to do it. If you were forced to do each activity for X amount of time it would definitely have gotten under my skin.

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This.

I'm afraid to play P3 now. I logged in over 118 hours in FF12 and never even beat the game due to that freedom. :lol:

I missed the original P3, since by the time I had cleared my plate for it, it could only be found on ebay. So I'll get the FES on the first day, even though I'll probably only break the seal months down the line.

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Originally Posted by AaronChance

So I'll get the FES on the first day, even though I'll probably only break the seal months down the line.

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Honestly, it's probably better than anything you're putting it off for. And I despise most RPGs. Last console RPG that I can remember enjoying before Persona 3 was probably Grandia 2. Back when it came out. FF12 doesn't count because I had to quit it 8 hours in because school was killing me. Persona 3 is just a really, really great game.

Hay guys, this was just released.

Persona rox!

I think a read a 10/10 review for this somewhere......


I still won't play it.

I don't believe this garbage. The World Ends With You showed up early but there's no sign of this in any local stores.

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Originally Posted by bVork

I don't believe this garbage. The World Ends With You showed up early but there's no sign of this in any local stores.

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The GameStop I preordered at got it, but the guy made me wait an abnormally long time before seeing if he could actually hold my copy til I get back in town. Makes me wonder how many they got to begin with.

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Originally Posted by EvilMog

I still won't play it.

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Your loss. Seriously. I haven't liked JRPGs since Dreamcast but I took a chance on P3 and it's kind of amazing. You should grab this while (if) you can.

The EB I went to told me they're getting it Friday.

we got it in today.
I will finally play Persona 3
<3<3<3

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Originally Posted by Grave

Your loss. Seriously. I haven't liked JRPGs since Dreamcast but I took a chance on P3 and it's kind of amazing. You should grab this while (if) you can.

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I have the original. I will buy this one. I will play neither.

So there.

I... I don't know what to say to that! I used to buy lots of junk and then I started playing games instead of letting them sit there! I like it this way. But then when I want to get rid of the old ones no one wants them and I feel guilty for owning any at all.

This did not keep me from buying one this week already! And if GameStop actually keeps my copy til Saturday I'll have this too.

My store got this in, since we had three reserved copies we got about six total.

It's too bad I don't have my consoles with me or I'd be playing the hell out of this. It'll make it that much sweeter when I get my place in a few months.

I should check Gamestop on my way home, if I miss out in this I'd cry. Or I could just order it onlineee hrm.

TNL STORE, AWAY!

I got it yesterday, played about 4 hours. I never played the orginal release.

It's mostly awesome, but the whole "if you spend too much time in the dungeon, (which isn't much time at all, tbh) your party will get tired and have to sit out the next day" bullcrap annoys me to no end. What's the variable this is determined by? Time lapsed? Steps taken? Battles fought?

Battles, I think.

The limit quickly grows and you won't be affected by it after the first bunch of floors.

I want to pick this up but nobody has it. wah

Apparently there is an anime sequel to the series that has already been running. I may have to check that out, it takes place 10 years in the future so I have a feeling it's just one of those things that leads to disappointment of all Fanfiction writers and just comes off as boring fan service.

Should be getting it in the mail in the next few days, can't wait.

It is worth buying an extra copy of this for its future rareness? I got my preorder yesterday and will open it and play it, of course, but may want another just to sell as T3H rare later on.

I... really want to play this today, I may go buy it from Gamestop instead of waiting till Monday doh.

In which I'd have two copies and have to sell one, so I may hold it for the sake of future rareness actually.

So, this game is good? What if you hate usual Jap RPG bullshit like random constant battles and leveling up?

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Originally Posted by Dolemite

So, this game is good? What if you hate usual Jap RPG bullshit like random constant battles and leveling up?

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There are no random battles in the game at all. And yes, it's good, but very different from the typical RPG format.

And yet, still 9000% Japanese.

I would usually make fun of everyone who's considering hoarding extra copies, because this is rarely a good moneymaking scheme unless they're some kind of clearance and it might be screwing somebody who's trying to find a first copy. BUT I think Atlus should sell lots of copies of everything so do it if you want I guess! I made a lot of money on Disgaea (though it was the only copy I bought) and then a few months later it was reissued and $30 new or whatever. This wouldn't have sucked too bad since the copy was only $5, but that shit happens.

I should buy this. I never bought Persona 3 (I had a reviewable, but Atlus reviewables are gay and have no package or manual)

Picking up this and SNK Arcade Classics next week. I never played any Persona games, so this is a sweet deal.

Found it today when looking for Mario Kart / GTA early. Picked it up.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

I should buy this. I never bought Persona 3 (I had a reviewable, but Atlus reviewables are gay and have no package or manual)

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You ready to lose another 80 hours?

Jesus, no, I'm just going to play the Aegis chapter, not replay the whole fucking thing. Even if I wanted to, I just don't have time.

Finally picked this up. Not too sure whether I'll play the original game with added content all over again or just the Answer. Hmmm..

i want this sooo bad, but i know it'll cost me my career.

I got FES the other day and started a new game. I've beaten it last year already but it's pretty compelling, and I want to see what's new. :D

I beat the original one in the fall, but I'm looking forward to starting it again... but for some terrible reason, the game doesn't seem to have come in yet where I'm at? I don't get it. wtf.

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Originally Posted by RoleTroll

Picking up this and SNK Arcade Classics next week.

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I may have to do the exact same thing.

30 bucks and you'll easily be able to make back that $30 on ebay at least, what harm could it do? :)

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Originally Posted by Thief Silver

30 bucks and you'll easily be able to make back that $30 on ebay at least, what harm could it do? :)

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Consume your soul. Playing this game for five hours feels like a half hour of most game. It never drags, the time slips by, and then you realize you need to wake up in four hours. Then you realize the game is something like 100 hours long, so it really is a half hour to Persona 3 FES.

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Originally Posted by AaronChance

Consume your soul. Playing this game for five hours feels like a half hour of most game. It never drags, the time slips by, and then you realize you need to wake up in four hours. Then you realize the game is something like 100 hours long, so it really is a half hour to Persona 3 FES.

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Yeah, I could sense that about this game. I fear it, but love it.

Picked it up yesterday and started replaying the regular story again. I like seeing all the little extras throughout. Can't wait to get to the new chapter :D

Just started this. Only like 1-2 hours into it. All I've had time for.

Very interesting so far, but I haven't really got to DO anything. When does it pick up and let me have more control?

Can't complain too much, though. I was pretty wrapped up in the atmosphere. And Junpei or whatever is hot. Yukari (?) is a neat character, too. DO U GET TO FUCK HER LATER!??!!?

ONLY IF YOU BUILD UP YOUR CHARM ENOUGH.

Also yeah the game doesn't let you manage much at first, but honestly it's not a big deal since you'll be spending the next 90 hours managing things however you want.

I really wish this was here right now :(

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Originally Posted by Aurora

DO U GET TO FUCK HER LATER!??!!?

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She will squeal like a baby pig

I cannot wait to loosen her tight, kawaii vagina!

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Originally Posted by Aurora

Yukari (?) is a neat character, too. DO U GET TO FUCK HER LATER!??!!?

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Your character sees her naked. No lie.

True story. It's hot.

wtb Mitsiru though (Akihiko gets that one :( )

Sorry it was from the original game so Didn't really think XD

Ugh. Use the tags please :(
I never finished the original P3 and I hate you forever for that :(

It's really early in the game :P

The Mitsuru thing? I don't remember that. The Yukari thing, yeah.

Oh, I saw it cumming with those two anyways. Her vagina practically quivers when he's in the room.

This game is so charming. I hope Junpei and the main character hurry up and have buttsekz soon.

I think I will buy this game.

Even though I still never opened Nocturne, and I really should've sold that damn game before the reprint. -_-

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Originally Posted by epmode

The Mitsuru thing? I don't remember that. The Yukari thing, yeah.

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The Mitsuru thing is pure speculation on my part. When you meet back up with them you notice that Mitsuru is really quiet and Akihiko is acting embaressed. So I just assumed they went through the same thing)

OH, aight. I thought you were talking about something that happens toward the end of the game. I don't hate you forever anymore.

I DO THO! No, I <3 Thief.

Are the other SMT games even remotely similar to this? Or are they more serious? I remember trying to get into the first Persona ages ago, but the control really got to me. And it was sorta boring.

The first two are very different games. They're good in their own right and I love the extremely dark tones present in the Shin Megami Tensei serieses. I tried playing through Persona 2 but stopped early on because I was bored out of my mind. Part of it was because I was using the keyboard instead of a Joypad which inheritely removes every ounce of fun from any Playstation game ever.

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Originally Posted by Kidnemo

I think I will buy this game.

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Don't! It is evil, making you neglect sleep and food like some sorry MMO addict. I've put 26 hour into the game since I got it on Friday, and only my iron will has preventing me from playing more. The game flow is truly insidious in how there's just enough to do to keep the rewards flowing, with bigger and better stuff always on the horizon. There's rarely a clean break to make it easy to put down.

lol, one could have argued at one point that at least the game ends. BUT NO THERE IS AN EXPANSION, THIS GAME NEVER ACTUALLY ENDS ALSO, YOU CAN CARRY OVER YOUR STATS FOR A NEW GAME. AND WITH FES THERE IS A HARD MODE SO YOU CAN PLAY IT ALL OVER AGAIN EXCEPT MORE DIFFICULT!

Shit, this is at my house! Must.. get home.. from work.

I finally got my copy on Friday and have been replaying The Journey so I can see all the new stuff. It's just as addictive as when I got the original. No more free time for meeeeeee!

Yeah I can't find my memory card with the saves so I've had to start all over. I started on Hard mode but that may be a mistake because this game was already unfair the first time through.

Can you play FES with the stats from a save file from the original Persona 3? I heard you can, but it's not letting me load any of my files. I would like to see the new content, but don't want to go through all the grinding in Tartarus that I did during the first playthrough.

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Originally Posted by Thief Silver

Yeah I can't find my memory card with the saves so I've had to start all over. I started on Hard mode but that may be a mistake because this game was already unfair the first time through.

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The fact you stated it like it doesn't bother you makes me fear for my social life. Is my soul protected at this point only by a thin layer of shrinkwrap?

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Originally Posted by DirtySouth

Can you play FES with the stats from a save file from the original Persona 3? I heard you can, but it's not letting me load any of my files. I would like to see the new content, but don't want to go through all the grinding in Tartarus that I did during the first playthrough.

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Start a New Game to import an old save. A few things are brought over but player levels are not. However, if you want to cheese your way through the game, you can try to purchase an overpowered Persona from your compendium well before you'd be able to summon it normally.

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Originally Posted by epmode

Start a New Game to import an old save. A few things are brought over but player levels are not. However, if you want to cheese your way through the game, you can try to purchase an overpowered Persona from your compendium well before you'd be able to summon it normally.

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Thank you sir.

Also, it's not that I want to "cheese" my way through, it's just the fact that my old playthrough approached 90 hours. I want to see the new content, but do not have the patience, nor the time to play it that long. (Plus, there's that GTA4 thing also).

I started this game on hard but honestly this game is so brutally unfair at times that it's probably not even worth it. I don't know of any actual benefits you get from playing it on hard mode and knowing that any mistake or even a bit of bad luck can be the death of the main character in one shit is pretty up there on the list of "That can really fucking suck".

Is the hard mode for those who have completed the game and restart with those powered up characters?

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Originally Posted by Gamefaqs

> Data Conversion
From Original P3 to FES (to Episode Yourself only, Episode Aegis is independent story mode)
- All stats - Academic, Charm and Courage
- S-link max items
- All the MIx-Raid lists.
- List of Compendium (all skills and levels will be reset to Base)
That is all. Nothing else.

> Hard Mode
Increased Damage taking from Shadows.
Even normal encounter can give Enemy Advantage.
Lower the chance on Escape.
Cost for bring out Persona from Compendium is quadrupled (x4).

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Doesn't have to be, you can play through it from level 1, and you can't import your leveled up characters from the first game. I'd like to play through it with my powered up characters just so that the last boss fight is a challenge.

I can't even imagine playing this game on hard. It'd be wayyyyy too difficult.

I mean the only time this game is difficult, is when it's unfairly difficult. In hard mode it's just ridiculous. You can still have fights where the enemy can get advantage. And they can one shot you with a spell you're weak against or even not. I had Orpheus and got hit with Bufu for more health than I had total. That was it one turn and it was over.

The one hit kill lottery really can be a bummer sometimes. There are answers to it, but it's still going to get you from time to time.

It's a lot worse at the beginning of the game when you just can't always defend yourself. The game became much easier near the end though a few enemies could still be trouble.

But on Hard mode I imagine it's just ridiculous. HOwever, I found my memory card.. so I may be starting over tonight.

So should I have started this on easy?

Even though I'm in the middle of other RPGs, I decided to start this anyway. I'm about four hours in. I can see myself becoming addicted to it since it's so easy to play in short bursts.

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Originally Posted by Aurora

So should I have started this on easy?

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Nah, normal is fine. Some people are just used to RPGs that can be played while blind.

No honestly if you play it on easy mode you'll get bored. It's just some times when learning what new enemies do, they'll kill your main character without you having a real chance to defend, thus game over. Especially when Mudo skills first come out every time they cast it you go "please god, don't hit me, please got, don't hit me, FUCKING MOTHER FUCK GOD DAMNIT ONE MORE FLOOR TO GO FUCK 30 MINUTES FUCK"

I'm still playing this game too damn much. I'm already on floor 85. Merging personas into increasingly more powerful ones is just too addictive. I'm only one level away from getting a King Frost.

Everything about this game is addicted to the point you become OCD. "Should I go out with her tonight, or should I raise my courage so I talk to him, or should I go to Tarturas so I can get that persona of the matching quality with him so that I gain more points with him so I can level up my S.Link faster"

With the PS1 RPG thread, this game suddenly reminds me a lot of Azure Dreams. Anybody remember that one? You were some red-head dude who would go into a really tall tower and kill things and by day you'd be in your hometown macking on chicks and improving the neighborhood.

I have Azure dreams, grabbed it for 5 bucks but never broke into it.And now you have me fairly interested in the game.

But really I wanna go home and play more of this, but things to do today after work = boo urns :(

I'm definitely rehooked to this game again. I'm at about 12 hours in and have a hard time pulling myself away from it. I got a Chivalrous shirt (one of the change costume shirts) but died and lost it :(

This is only sort of on topic, but I'm not making a thread for it. This looks really fucking good, better than it has any right to.

Innocent Sin translated? PC emulated?

Yup. PC or modded PSX. How you play it is up to you, works on both.

It's only 60% complete, but most of that has been done since December, so I'd expect it to be done well before the end of the year. The hacker has a reputation for doing the impossible and doing it quickly.

That looks amazing holy shit.