Yes, and you pay them the price set for those products and their services. You don't pay the person who hands the food to you to take home and enjoy.
-directed at baily's comment about paying the cook etc.
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Yes, and you pay them the price set for those products and their services. You don't pay the person who hands the food to you to take home and enjoy.
-directed at baily's comment about paying the cook etc.
I'm not but I don't like being bullied into tipping. You want to do that job, that's fine. Don't expect me to tip if I'm not dining in or for terrible service, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
I tip because it's what I do. Get's me great tables on crowded nights and 20 dollar bar tabs when it should be 50.
If you ever wrote a story on me in NY that was flattering, I'd take you to Peter Luger's. Again, it's my way.
Dude, I do tip - I said that in my post - maybe taxes are different up here but I know a lot of people in the taxi business and they aren't taxed on assumed tips, they make a claim at the end of the year and get taxed on what they claim - not what the government thinks they should claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
I see that. In fact, I quoted it. I'm explaining to you how it works for waiters. You shouldn't feel special that you do tip.
I have never heard of anyone tipping for picking up an order.
You made the order, you drove there, you paid for it. Why the fuck are you tipping someone for taking your money and handing you food in a bag?
I'll throw them a couple of bones, especially if it's from someplace I'll order from again. I've always been surprised at how people do remember your tips.
I already knew you did this before you typed it. Weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooch
I got pickup tonight from a great Chinese resturaunt, and even though the guy remembered me from a couple months back, I still never thought to tip him for handing me my food.
That was, of course, before I saw this thread.
You're dining on Chinese pubic hair and assorted spittle. Nice work...
I knew I tasted something fishy...
No, silly thats the leftover taste from your mother.
If there is a tip jar on the counter, and I have a buck or two in the wallet (i nearly always use my debit card), I'll toss it in. If I go there often enough, maybe I'll give 'em a little more. But in the big scheme of things, I dont fucking care. Its a goddamn dollar. If that single bill makes the guy behind the counter happier, so be it. It's not a big deal.
This isn't true. You cant be taxed for monies that are not directly reported or earned. Lets assume a waiter was taxed for 15% of their total bills at the end of the week. But that waiter actually pulled in about 20% tips (cause he's good or whatever). This would mean that the waiter wouldnt be taxed for those monies earned. And if the same waiter the following week only earned %5 tips (bad week), that waiter would be forced to pay more in taxes for money that he didnt earn. It doesnt always even out in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
This is why waiters are told to report the amount of tips recieved to their managers. The managers fill out whatever forms, and the base salary plus the tips recieved are reported on their paychecks. Then, depending on their W2 claims, they are taxed accordingly for all wages.
When they dont report tips, its zomg tax fraud.
I've never met a corpse I won't eat.
Damn, you went there. Now I feel all bad.
Really, you should.
Shame on you.
Hey there's still more sesame shrimp!
The bolded part is the real issue. Best Buy (as a random example) doesn't expect people to pay extra for the cashier's time, plus extra for the salesperson's time, plus extra for the guy that stocked the shelves, plus extra for the janitor that made the store clean, etc. The purchase price is supposed to take all that stuff into account already. If you need me to pay you extra on the side at your job you need to ask for a raise or find a better job. I'm not sure who started the whole tipping thing but I'd like to kick them in the face. I tip well when being served but I wish it was socially acceptable to only tip in cases of exemplary service.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrielSynthesis
Well Rhydant, you're technically correct. That's how it should work.
Instead, everyone remember that waiters make...I believe 3.15 an hour. Probably varies by state (minimum) and establishment.
http://career-advice.monster.com/sal...Tips/home.aspx
I didn't get many tips when i was doing take out, and didn't begrudge anyone for it. I didn't think I did anything to deserve it.
I can't believe this has gone on for three pages. We had a whole thread about tipping before. It's like most of you guys don't understand it at all. Here's the deal:
Waiters don't make minimum wage. They make less than minimum wage, somewhere around the $3/hour rate (less I think actually). The rest of their earnings are from tips. Hostesses make minimum wage or above. You don't tip people who work in restaurants who make minimum wage or above except for delivery drivers because they pay for gas and deal with the wear and tear on their vehicles. This is the whole reason tipping for food service exists.
Some restaurants split the tips. That means that all the servers split the tips evenly at the end of the night (which I think is really unfair to excellent servers). Some restaurants include hostesses in this (maybe at a lower rate).
Point being: You don't tip the fucking hostess/cashier when you pick up take out. Fuck. If a restaurant is paying their hostess the same as a waiter, that hosting employee is getting screwed illegally and should take whatever action is necessary to fix the situation.
If you want to put a tip in the tip jar, go for it. But there's absolutely nothing wrong, and way more right about not doing so.
Bar tab tipping is a different animal completely.
If the hostess calls your cell phone 3 times to check on how you're doing after you've picked up your meal and she asks you if you'd like her to bring you another drink, and comes over and clears your plates from your coffee table when you're done, tip her.
They invented busboys for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
And most of them still don't get tips.
I did.
One time I went to
Fast Pizza - 923 Washington Blvd Baltimore, MD 21230 - (410) 576-2300
I ordered a steak and cheese. This other guy was waiting for his for his sub and in the meantime he swung the blade(no handle) of a large kitchen knife around and kept yelling "chop-chop, motherfucker" to the chef. He just kept waving that knife in the chef's face. In hindsight it was hilarious. I have since moved out of Baltimore.
also - carry out tip is a no unless I ask them to go out of their way
I still think a tip should be based on how your service was. I seriously don't think it should be mandatory and 15% no matter what. Why should you tip a bad waiter/waitress the same that a good one gets? And why should you tip a waitress that didn't do anything for you? Which one do you pick? Do you tip all the waiters and waitresses when you come pick up your food? So no I don't tip on pick up only when I'm dining in.
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Originally Posted by Scourge
So you took 5 paragraphs to say "I'm a cheap fella with limited class"?
The point I was trying to make is a lot of those guys aren't dedicated take-out employees, they're just regular servers taking their time out to make a run. Again, as I said, this can be far more difficult then you can imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowutopia
It doesn't work like that at all. You can eliminate the tipping system and start paying servers $8/hr+ but then you can kiss good service good-bye when nearly every restaurant/chain in the country cuts its budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
I remember being in there when someone did a drive by bottling. Broken glass exploding all over the place. I was always really nice to the guys that worked there, that job must have sucked SO bad. Of note: I LOVE Baltimore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hubbitron
Lunch special: slice of pizza, can of soda, single Newport 100 - $2.00
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Remember how I met you at that bar by NYU for all you can eat wings, and you were waiting like 45 to an hour for wings because you wouldn't tip the guy serving them even though the bartender told you to, and I walked up and gave the guy $5 and walked away with two plates of wings immediately? That was awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
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If you are picking up takeout from a chain restaurant like Chili's, Friday's, etc., you are a fat slob. If you insist on doing this, know that the person working the takeout window is probably a regular server who is fucked at the takeout window that night. You do not need to tip 15% or whatever you would normally tip for table service because 1) obviously you are not getting table service, 2) therefore you are not tying up a server's table and 3) that takeout server is serving a hell of a lot more orders than she could on the floor. But that server is still relying on tips that night, and if you can't throw her a buck or two knowing full well she relies on tips, you are not principled, you are a cheap douchebag.
Also, when you sit at a restaurant just bullshitting or whatever for an extra hour, you should increase the tip. This is especially true if the restaurant is busy and you're taking up a table a server could be otherwise making money off of, or if she's done for the night and looking to go home. If you want to tip the minimum or less, that's your right I guess, but at least get the hell out of the way so someone worth the table can sit.
I don't tip for takeout.
Lol that was a pretty spectacular sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I bet I could have pulled it off for $2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Probably a quarter, it's a white upstanding citzen verses an underemployed mexican.
He understood economics though. Demand for wings was outstripping supply.
Some of you just look at tips way too narrowly, probably because you are looking for an excuse to be cheap. Sometimes you tip FIRST and get better service LATER or maybe NEXT TIME.
If you're poor, so be it, but then you shouldn't be out pissing money away in the service sector anyway. Pick up Burger King and a 40 and stay the fuck home.
God sometimes you amaze me with your ability to make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
If you are too poor to tip somebody fucking 2 dollars, then get ramon and a new job.
I changed my fast food reference. I didn't want Ramon to think I was targeting Mexicans or whatever he is.
LOL
It's true though, nothing is more horrible than being friends with "that guy" who only buys whatever beer he can get on special and the cheapest food. Then stiffs the bartendar at your favorite place, which forces you to tip him or risk being labeled as "one of them"
Ya know, in all my time in NY I have never noticed a taco bell btw.
If I'm too cheap to tip i get take out instead of delivery. If I'm going to tip someone anyway, why not have them earn it and DRIVE THE FOOD TO MY HOUSE.
Tipping delivery guys is one of life's true pleasures, especially when they are from a chinese food place and are clearly illegal. They act like the end of It's a Wonderful Life when you give them $3 on like a $6.75 order even though it's pouring and my food still got here literally 8 minutes after I hung up the phone.
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Actually, I hope most of you continue being cheap, because that means I get maximum returns by throwing around just a little extra. I don't have to be big man around town to get better service from regular establishments, I just have to tip enough to make an impression, which thanks to you cheapass government cheese aficionados, isn't very much at all.
ibtn
L-E-G-E-N-D-A-R-YQuote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
They are in neighborhoods you don't want to go to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
I figured there are probably 30 within 2 miles of Rich's house.
ROFFLE
Thats because no one tips delivery guys. NO ONE.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I always tip 2 or 3 bux. I appreciate not having to go out and have food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
upstate you can't drive 5 minutes without seeing 3 of them.
tacos.
*WARNING JAPAN REFERENCE*
In Japan, the idea of tipping doesn't exist. Not at hotels, restaurants, pizza guy, cabs, nothing. People don't even know how to do it, they just know it's something they read they have to do if they go away on vacation.
-And get this -
If you offer a tip to somebody? They refuse it. Won't take it. It's considered vaguely insulting, because it's like you're saying they're naturally lazy and need to be bribed not to do their job like a dick.
I like this attitude much more than the notion being thrown around in this thread that food service industry workers should be considered in the same light as starving African children, and that you are a bad person if you do not consider their plight at every turn.
In North America I always tip 15% unless they were an asshole, but for takeout? Forget it, that's ridiculous. I don't see the different between that and the guy at the convenience store or McDonald's or any other place where somebody isn't making much money but for some reason people don't consider it immoral not to toss them spare change. Some job skills just aren't worth much money, and have a low paycheque attached. Putting food in a bag is one of them.
I was totally 10 seconds from posting that exact phrase. I would rep you, but I already did and it wont let me again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samba De Amiga
Let it be known that I didn't do it because I was being cheap, I didn't want to tip because I always tip at the end of the day. I go there once every month or two for wings and always tip before I leave. He was just being extra douchy that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Also, stop being racist. Those remarks are why I don't like hanging out with you. =/
That's really cheap and gay of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
The tip jar is sitting right there when you order. Did you think the guy was gonna remember you as the guy who maybe tips me/the bartender later so oh boy better rush out his wings? I ordered and took out money very obviously in front of him while asking how long it would take. You could have tipped him five times as much later, but it wouldn't have gotten your food any faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
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*WARNING JAPAN REFERENCE*
In Japan, the idea of buying used women's panties from a vending machine does exist. I for one like this attitude because it frees used panties connaisseurs from rifling through the clothes hampers of their mothers and sisters.
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If you don't tip delivery guys for acceptable service, you are an asshole. This is non-negotiable. I would sooner stiff a server than a delivery guy.
It's why I go to Black Bear in Hoboken now. No huff or guff.
I always tip the pizza guy $5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
Just a bunch of dudes dressed up like construction workers and lumberjacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
see, Razor has to bounce from bar to bar because his shitty tipping gets him horrible service.
1+1=2
No. I'm a good tipper. I rarely if ever leave below 15% and usually leave more than that. You obviously don't understand what I'm saying though. Read the other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
Yeah, you're saying you don't tip anybody who does you a favor unless your sitting at a table.
You still stink.
"You done a good job bagging those groceries. Here kid, buy yourself something nice."
Yes, that's why. You've seen through my veil of lies and exposed me for what I truly am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
There isn't a rolleyes emoticon big enough to express my sarcasm towards you.
The hostess isn't doing you a favor taking your call in order and handing you a bag. She's doing her job which she has a specific wage for, a wage that is not based on tips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
Hmm, I have been thinking about tipping bartender's less, and waiters more, recently. My roommate is a bartender, comes home with like $250 a night, drunk, and a girls number. There is no reason why that mother fucker needs $250 to have a good time for a night. Bartending is rarely a very skilled job either.
"You done a good job posting that message board message kid, here, buy yourself something nice."
YellerDog, are you going to continue doing that?
2.85 an hour in ClevelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
Roll all you want, I will always win, chico.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Don't be cheap. Here, buy yourself something nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
That's different. In Texas, hostess jobs are not payed the same scale as waiting jobs, so that's good to know if I'm ever in Cleveland. Then I'll leave a big tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
edit: I really do think it's important that whenever anyone's travelling outside their state that beforehand they should research tipping for whatever state they will be in because people paid a wage based on tips need those tips to survive.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
I tip but I tip only after I get the service I require. It's the norm. I hate tipping before because then they just won't give a damn.
You did a good job tipping that kid, here, buy yourself something nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
You have commandeered this craptacular thread into an unforeseeable subbasement of fail. Congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destin
order those wings now so we can go out saturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
Good job /threading that thread, kid. Here, buy yourself something nice.
Is your post count really that important to you?
Burgundy has rescued this thread.
or you could just tip moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
I agree with this, you really should tip the delivery guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
I also tip bartenders well, specially if its a place I go to regularly. Mostly because then they don't make my drinks ass weak like everyone else's.
The last time we had a NYC TNL get together I was tipping that bartender at the first bar we were at pretty hard.
For a couple reasons
- She was taking my shit and have a good time with it.
- When I asked her if she could make the drinks stronger, she picked up the bottle started to pour it into the class and said "Just say when."
- She had amazing tits that she had no problem putting out on display.
- She made me the best long island ice tea I ever had after my regular vodka drinks weren't getting me drunk at all.
I gave her close to a $15 tip when I got us that round of Car Bombs. We need to go drink there again.
Where was that?
I tip the bar after every beer if I'm paying cash, or at the end if it's on a credit card.
Don't be your dad TNL, sitting at the bar all day then leaving 3 dollars.
This is true too.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
crocodile loungeQuote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
that was the night your shirt was too busy having a collar
You guys should shack up and have lots of sex together.
LOL
Haters. I had a good time that night, anyway. Even though you assholes never showed up and Coury ended up taking BioShock from Cow.
Are we having a meetup soon? Because we need to have one soon. Just saying. Soon.
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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
And we need to go back there soon, what are you doing this weekend? I may be in the city but my partying plans may be falling through.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
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Originally Posted by Bailey
Yeah I concur with this, I tip after every drink I buy.
I was ready to meet you, but no one else had a collar on. We should repeat that night so I can end up hitting on some lesbian at the end of the night at barcade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
I'll just be hanging with the Mrs. Nothing too exciting happening since I'm too busy paying off my dad's bills.
who guys? everyone in the thread? everyone at TNL?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
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i wonder if ramon tips more depending on his collar status.
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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
You and Ramon.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
maybe i would if he wasn't so cheap
thanks for being tnl's instant replay btw
I spent years delivering food, which is where this information comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
Don't make assumptions about me. I point out, yet again, you don't know me.
your plans never fall through, you are such a debutanteQuote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
I added a word to that quote of Razor's, if that's what you're referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
oh sorry. that joke must have went over my head.
He needs a telestrator and he can be our very own Mike Fratello.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgundy
Servers, yes, but I don't think that's the same for hosts. Certainly wasn't for me when I had that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
I don't care if you spent 20 years delivering pizza and you're jaded. Those guys have to pay for their insurance and gas man. I don't need to "know you" to understand that Pizza Hut or Li-Jungs China shop has you on the take your time shitty tipper list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
You all need to realize that there are probably a million Joshes in this country delivering your food, and when you stiff them, they know exactly where you live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh
And they become punk rockers.
He's not saying he doesn't tip, he's saying they rarely get tipped and illustrating that he has personal experience in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
Not since the shields went away. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Scourge
I think what he meant was, 'based on my experience, I never got tips from anyone because most people really don't tip delivery drivers, even though they should.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey
If I had a telestrator, I'd draw you a diagram.
edit: Mech beat me to it.