So what should I call this person?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
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So what should I call this person?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarsKitten
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Holy shit.
Eh, what about people with ambiguous sex organs, or external genitals that don't match their internal reproductive organs? There are plenty of people that don't fit into a nice little dichotomy of perfectly fine being a perfect biologically female and woman or a genetically perfect male identifying as a man. If someone wants to go by she but they have a penis, whatever, it's none of my business. For all we know, they were born a pseudohermaphrodite and the parents assigned the wrong gender.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
You seem to think it's entirely based on birth genitals. I fail to see what about a penis defines a person as being male. My ovaries don't dictate much.
Also, on the picky science side, gender is a social construction, sex is a biological/physical thing.
This is where psychology and I part ways. If you have a penis, you're a guy. Be a guy. If you want to have sex with other guys, by all means, go ahead. But you're still a guy. The pseudohermaphrodite situation is such a rarity that I cannot simply assume it to be the case every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomi
They dictate that YOU'RE A WOMAN!!! Regardless of what you want, or don't want, or want to do, or don't want to do, or anything, you're a woman. Period. End of story. No amount of time under the knife will ever change that in my eyes. In the eyes of our evermore sensitive, accommodating, politically correct society, maybe. But not me.Quote:
You seem to think it's entirely based on birth genitals. I fail to see what about a penis defines a person as being male. My ovaries don't dictate much.
Ever since my sexuality classes, I've been keen to point that mistake out when people make it, too.Quote:
Also, on the picky science side, gender is a social construction, sex is a biological/physical thing.
You just said you're picky about that point, but then contradict yourself. Man and woman is gender, male and female is biology. Biology also has external genital, internal genital, hormonal, chromosomal, etc. It's not a clearcut thing. I don't see a damn thing linking my fallopian tubes to social construction of my gender being womanly. They're only related in that somebody socialized me to act a certain way because a doctor indicated female on my birth certificate.
:rolleyes: She's a female who wanted to surgically... you know what? This is absurd. She's a walking, talking freak show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomi
If somebody wants to be transgendered, that's their decision. A female can tell herself "I'm a man" all she wants, but I'm not buying it. Does that make me intolerant? I don't give a shit. It feels pretty fucking normal to me.
I'm not arguing intolerance at all. It's different, strange, whatever you want to call it. People like categories which is why in most cultures, distinctive gender roles exist for distinctive sexes and anything not fitting this is a challenge. I'm just saying, you sort of went against yourself. You say a penis determines gender, so if a chromosomal woman ended up with a penis by whatever means, we'd be using the 'he' pronoun here.
I just don't think birth genitals/hormones/chromosomes have much to do with anything once you're old enough to consider those things for yourself. Is it strange to me? Yes. Do I really care enough to consider it freakish? Not really. None of my business, really. Unless he told you or you started to sleep with him pre-op, you'd never know.
But here's the other end of it: if you're calling someone a man, despite otherwise looking like a woman to everyone else in the room you're constantly calling attention to this person's transness when in a social context is really does not matter to anyone except her.
I mean really, does the fact that anyone has a penis or vagina that very second impact your interactions with them? One of my teachers at my school is trans, but if I call her sir, or mr. X it confuses everyone who doesn't know, annoys her and invokes a conversation that really is not necessary to our day-to-day living. Oh and as a bonus it puts her at risk for violence if someone in the room can't handle it, even though they're never ever going to sleep with this 60 year old woman.
/dude she's 60!
Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.