Thomas Beatie - world's first pregnant "man"

I'm not saying she's a bad person or something, I'm just trying to see if she takes her own argument to its conclusion. I'm trying to spark up a debate on something meaningful, not just commentary on what is clearly a fluff news piece.

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Originally Posted by g0zen

Hey, I'm just trying to understand. I'm not seeing why it's wrong that an affluent transgender person or gay person or woman seeking an abortion are denied care or quality care, and yet fine and dandy that people in poverty are treated the same way. If your view is that it's wrong to deny paying customers, that's fine, but then you can't make the moral outrage argument that it's wrong to deny care based on factors outside the scope of medicine, otherwise you're left with a pretty big paradox.

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Yeah, I get what you're saying and I think it's valid, it's just an extension of what I was going for originally. I'm speaking in the context of patients able to receive the same amount of care, but being denied it based on medical professionals and their personal decisions. Insurance agencies and outright financial storms in the medical world weren't meant to be factored into my argument, is all. I passionately hate how insurance is currently handled but didn't want to drag that into a non-financial discrimination case.

My beef is with getting any care at all. Some doctors won't treat patients if they're transgendered at all.

Example: Transgendered woman goes to her HMO primary care for her yearly checkup and asks for for several things: HIV test, syphilis test, liver function test (needs to be checked b/c other issues), RX renewal and asks for a referral (anything non-emergency requires a referral for coverage) for someone to do her cancer screening because of her family history. In the interest of getting treated properly she explains her medical history to her doctor (being transgendered, having multiple grandparents die of cancer on both sides of her family, liver issues).

Doctor freaks out, tells her that he cannot do anything at all for her and cannot refer her to anyone and storms out. Luckily she's prepared with her lawyer on the other end of her cell phone. Suddenly, after calling the HMO and checking procedure he can have a nurse take the necessary blood, renew the RX under protest and recommend a plan covered referral.

How often does someone need to put their lawyer on notice for a checkup? Luckily she had good health coverage and a good lawyer. How many people who are legal citizens in this country avoid doctors all together because of doctor discrimination?

See Mars you got to think of healthcare as a warranty. Some manufacturers will not repair your stuff if you go jackin with it, like tweaking a 360. You go slappin' on the ol' dick mod, healthcare's null and void. Shit sucks but that's business.

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Originally Posted by MarsKitten

Everyone is disturbed by weirdos who WANT to date transgendered people. Even transgendered people. Fetishists are such fail.

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lol

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Originally Posted by g0zen

So you don't want people to be denied quality care based on race, nationality, gender or sexuality...But denying them care based on class is okay?

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sure. Ideally.

EDIT: and before you ask why. It's because shit cost money.

I'd rather reject you based on the color of your skin than how much you make. That'll lead rich black people to think they can get free health care.

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Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

See Mars you got to think of healthcare as a warranty. Some manufacturers will not repair your stuff if you go jackin with it, like tweaking a 360. You go slappin' on the ol' dick mod, healthcare's null and void. Shit sucks but that's business.

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Ah but this is a recognized defect (possibly based in the manufacturing processes) with a case and treatment history longer than that of cancer. Its just that kids dying of cancer get more sympathy than kids committing suicide due to being trans. Suicide causes are hard to pin down but cancer is pretty damn obvious.

Bah! I should learn not to argue with a lawer.

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Originally Posted by buttcheeks

sure. Ideally.

EDIT: and before you ask why. It's because shit cost money.

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No shit it costs money. That's not the issue. Try to keep up IronPlant.