The Big News (TNL is black. And this time... it's personal)

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12 Jun 2008, 01:36 AM
bahn

Geoff calls the bitches out and they cut him off. "Wait, he actually knows what he's talking about.... OOOOH, we're out of time"
12 Jun 2008, 01:49 AM
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by bahn

Let's get the discussion back on track

You must be new here
12 Jun 2008, 01:52 AM
bahn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destin

You must be new here

LOL.
12 Jun 2008, 01:53 AM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

The type of journalism I do is to help people. That's honestly all I want out of life. I can act selfish and all when you actually hang out with me but I chose my profession because I believe everyone should have knowledge about their world.

I can't see video game writing fulfilling those needs. Do a barrel roll.

Yeah, understood, I said almost the same thing in my response to Meach. I respect that.

But I bet you still have to deal with hacks that don't do their job right, or can't write as well as you do with better jobs making more money. Right? So why should that argument be used to impugn the professionalism of game journalists? It's enough of a meritocracy where the people that do it well are successful, but not enough that there isn't any bullshit. There always is.
12 Jun 2008, 03:00 AM
Tones

Hey guys, when is TNL Chicago?
12 Jun 2008, 04:07 AM
icarusfall

TNL Drrty South imo.

Do it up in the ATL.
12 Jun 2008, 04:14 AM
James

I write about video games because I was drafted, and then it became something of a habit. At no point is the word "journalist" going to appear in front of my job description. It's a lot of fun, but hardly of world-shaking importance.

James
12 Jun 2008, 04:22 AM
ChaoofNee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

The type of journalism I do is to help people. That's honestly all I want out of life. I can act selfish and all when you actually hang out with me but I chose my profession because I believe everyone should have knowledge about their world.

I can't see video game writing fulfilling those needs. Do a barrel roll.

The type of journalism I do is to extend the reach of my rage into the hearts and souls of all people. That's honestly all I want out of life. I can act silly and quiet when people see me, but I usually write on the internet because I believe everyone is daft and worthless and they should damn well know it.

I can do that in video game writing as much as I can shouting at people from my car window. Motherfucking spoiled, Long Island drivers. Let's see how far you'd get without daddy's Beamer.
12 Jun 2008, 04:34 AM
Fe 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by icarusfall

TNL Drrty South imo.

Do it up in the ATL.

or dollywood

or disneyworld

or mzo's mom
12 Jun 2008, 04:45 AM
Tones

I'm game after mid-October so I can buy mad drinks.
12 Jun 2008, 06:48 AM
Pineapple

If TNL wants to pay me to write reviews about the various women of the night, I will do it.

I will also travel for this cause.
12 Jun 2008, 06:57 AM
Glitch

I'd read it.

Post pics.
12 Jun 2008, 10:44 AM
Bacon McShig

Quote:

Originally Posted by icarusfall

TNL Drrty South imo.

Do it up in the ATL.

I'm down.
12 Jun 2008, 11:45 AM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by James

I write about video games because I was drafted, and then it became something of a habit. At no point is the word "journalist" going to appear in front of my job description. It's a lot of fun, but hardly of world-shaking importance.

James

Don't get me wrong, I know this shit's not serious business, but "journalist" just means a member of the press. And you have no problem wearing a "press" badge at events. It's a big field, and a lot of people just as goofy as us get thrown in with it. Don't let it get turned into something more pretentious than it is.
12 Jun 2008, 11:49 AM
Josh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Don't get me wrong, I know this shit's not serious business...

You may want to check the thread tags sir.
12 Jun 2008, 11:57 AM
Chux

You have no dignity...
12 Jun 2008, 12:14 PM
Frogacuda

Heh, my rants in this thread have turned somewhat ironic, because I'm usually very self-deprecating about how goofy my job is (competitive, but goofy), but Meach set off my pretentiousness alarm and I went on the attack.
12 Jun 2008, 12:22 PM
YellerDog

You're down already? The spectators have asked for their shillings back!
12 Jun 2008, 12:23 PM
Frogacuda

They said they'd burn my house if I didn't take a dive.
12 Jun 2008, 01:58 PM
Melf

God, I couldn't watch that video through completely. The ignorance it holds is astounding.
12 Jun 2008, 04:01 PM
The_Meach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Heh, my rants in this thread have turned somewhat ironic, because I'm usually very self-deprecating about how goofy my job is (competitive, but goofy), but Meach set off my pretentiousness alarm and I went on the attack.

Not trying to be a dick! :)

I'm just saying that videogame journalism seems like one step above blogging. It's 90% opinion (reviews) and not a whole lot else. Am I wrong? </serious business>
12 Jun 2008, 05:12 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Meach

I'm just saying that videogame journalism seems like one step above blogging. It's 90% opinion (reviews) and not a whole lot else. Am I wrong? </serious business>

Reviews are opinion, yeah, but so is being a "political analyst." If you're justifying either on raw opinion alone, you won't get anywhere, though. Ideally it's a qualified, informed, well-balanced opinion that is presented well. Which is why less than 1% of these opinions are deemed worthy of a pay check. There's more to game journalism than writing reviews, too. Most of what I do isn't opinion based.

Don't see what any of that has to do with it being a profession, though.
12 Jun 2008, 05:24 PM
The_Meach

Well, when I think of a profession, I think of a job/vocation that has specific rules/regulations and/or a governing board or some sort of required education/training.

So, being a lawyer is clearly a profession. Must go to school for it, have to be board certified, if you fuck up you can be disbarred, etc.

Teaching, with all its rules/regs/certs is a profession as well.

I don't think getting paid is enough for a job to be considered a profession (GameStop clerk, anyone?).

What do you need to do to be considered a journalist? Write stuff? Be published? Anyone with a blog is "published" in the strictest sense of the term.

And in terms of whether tossing out opinions is enough for a job to be considered a profession, I don't think that's enough. In my opinion. :)
12 Jun 2008, 05:32 PM
Othello Harrington

Meach wins
12 Jun 2008, 05:37 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Meach

Well, when I think of a profession, I think of a job/vocation that has specific rules/regulations and/or a governing board or some sort of required education/training.

Well when you write your dictionary, we can discuss this matter further.

Though for what it's worth "legit" journalism doesn't have rules and regs or a governing body, and it doesn't require a specific degree (journo, English, comms, and equivalent experience will all do). So you're not even meeting your own (wrong) definition.

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What do you need to do to be considered a journalist? Write stuff? Be published? Anyone with a blog is "published" in the strictest sense of the term.

I'd say if you make your living by doing a particular job (especially if it's something many amateurs do for free), you can fairly call yourself a professional in that field. If you fake-wrestle people on TV for a living you're a professional wrestler. Don't make it something magical.

Now I DO understand the line you want to draw, but you're trying to express it by making up fake definitions for words. What I do would be what's called "soft" journalism. I understand that distinction between this and hard journalism is meaningful, but it isn't the line between professional and amateur and it isn't the line between journalist and non-journalist.

http://www.superluchas.net/wp-conten...ndy-savage.JPG
If this guy gets the word "professional" in his job description I don't see why I shouldn't.
12 Jun 2008, 05:46 PM
Revoltor

If the new TNL is just going to focus on reviews, previews and rewritten press releases then you're setting yourselves up for failure again. At least you'll get some free games though.
12 Jun 2008, 05:49 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revoltor

If the new TNL is just going to focus on reviews, previews and rewritten press releases then you're setting yourselves up for failure again.

Way ahead of you.

News is going to be highly opinion based, and hopefully humor-oriented (We've never regurgitated press released at GN, we go out of our way to hammer people who do that). We'll still have reviews and previews (with an emphasis on personal style), but we're also pushing features harder as well as a lot of multimedia content, regular video shows, podcasts, and lots of other stuff. We know what we're doing, don't worry.
12 Jun 2008, 05:50 PM
Cowutopia

That's where all the extra content comes in.

TNL will need something like a Yahtzee to be successful, or something else to bring people in.

StriderKyo should write every review.
12 Jun 2008, 05:50 PM
Othello Harrington

Shit, we already have 100 angry video game nerds imo
12 Jun 2008, 05:58 PM
Frogacuda

My goal is to make this a site that you can go to on a daily basis and find something entertaining. Funny, interesting, intellectual, goofy, whatever, but something entertaining.
12 Jun 2008, 06:53 PM
Cowutopia

Not an angry dude, just someone entertaining enough or someTHING entertaining enough to have you checking back regularly. I have only read an escapist article because of Yahtzee, and I was really unimpressed.
12 Jun 2008, 11:05 PM
icarusfall

The Hipster Review with Mr. K

I'd watch the shit out of that.
13 Jun 2008, 12:05 AM
The_Meach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Well when you write your dictionary, we can discuss this matter further.

My dictionary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reference.com

Definition
A professional is a worker required to possess a large body of knowledge derived from extensive academic study (usually tertiary), with the training almost always formalized.

Professionals are at least to a degree self-regulating, in that they control the training and evaluation processes that admit new persons to the field, and in judging whether the work done by their members is up to standard. This differs from other kinds of work where regulation (if considered necessary) is imposed by the state, or where official quality standards are often lacking. Professions have some historical links to guilds in these regards.

Professionals usually have autonomy in the workplace—they are expected to utilize their independent judgement and professional ethics in carrying out their responsibilities. This holds true even if they are employees instead of working on their own. Typically a professional provides a service (in exchange for payment or salary), in accordance with established protocols for licensing, ethics, procedures, standards of service and training / certification.

The above definitions were echoed by economist and sociologist Max Weber, who noted that professions are defined by the power to exclude and control admission to the profession, as well as by the development of a particular vocabulary specific to the occupation, and at least somewhat incomprehensible to outsiders.

Therefore it would be appropriate to state that a 'true' professional must be proficient in all criteria for the field of work they are practising professionally in. Criteria to include following categories: 1. Highest Academic Qualifications ie University College/Institute 2. Expert and Specialised Knowledge in field which one is practising Professionally 3 Excellent manual/practical & literary skills in relation to Profession working in 4 High Quality work in either/or: {egs}: creations, products, services, presentations, consultancy, primary/other research, administrative, marketing or other work endeavours 5 High Standard of Professional Ethics, Behaviour and Work Activities while carrying out one's Profession { as an employee, self-employed person, enterprise, business, company, or partnership/associate/colleague etc } ADDITIONAL WHERE APPROPRIATE: Reasonable amount of professional working experience in either/or of the above capacities in fields of work one has Professional Qualifications...

Trades
In narrow usage, not all expertise is considered a profession. Although sometimes referred to as professions, such occupations as skilled construction work are more generally thought of as trades or crafts. The completion of an apprenticeship is generally associated with skilled labor or trades such as carpenter, electrician, plumber, Bricklayer and other similar occupations. A related (though not always valid) distinction would be that a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work. Many companies include the word professional in their company name to signify the quality of their workmanship or service (e.g., Professional Plastics, Inc. "The Plastics Professionals").

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frog

Though for what it's worth "legit" journalism doesn't have rules and regs or a governing body, and it doesn't require a specific degree (journo, English, comms, and equivalent experience will all do). So you're not even meeting your own (wrong) definition.

If I said before that journalism is a profession, it looks like I was wrong.
13 Jun 2008, 12:34 AM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster's Dictionary

1 a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b: engaged in one of the learned professions c (1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace

2 a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b: having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>

3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot>
13 Jun 2008, 02:18 AM
icarusfall

Are you guys seriously still debating the semantics of 'profession'?

SHUT THE FUCK UP
13 Jun 2008, 03:28 AM
Revoltor

Hay guys...

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...8&d=1091814158
13 Jun 2008, 04:48 AM
cka

that gif should be played in reverse now
13 Jun 2008, 06:42 AM
Revoltor

http://Nigga.gavebackmy.website ?
13 Jun 2008, 04:12 PM
Josh

Who made that gif? I remember working on a bahn gif around that time, but i don't know if i did that one or not?

hazy...
13 Jun 2008, 04:13 PM
bahn

I believe it was K3V.
13 Jun 2008, 04:28 PM
Josh

I'm looking for my bahn avatar. right now... it was pretty awesome.

edit: found it. haha

http://the-nextlevel.com/board/attac...1&d=1201202035
13 Jun 2008, 06:42 PM
BonusKun

Quote:

Originally Posted by bahn

BK: Wasn't ignoring your reply. I'd welcome your support, just be aware that the copyedit standards are much higher than they were back in 1999.

Oh I'm very well quite aware of the standards now. It's been a very long time since I've cared to write anything either.

:)
15 Jun 2008, 03:54 AM
Rhydant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowutopia

Not an angry dude, just someone entertaining enough or someTHING entertaining enough to have you checking back regularly.

TNL GGW imo. We've been discussing this.
16 Jun 2008, 10:27 PM
Drewbacca

So is this site going to be all IGN-y pro or are we going to be more like actual TNL with swearing and tom foolery?
16 Jun 2008, 11:07 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

So is this site going to be all IGN-y pro or are we going to be more like actual TNL with swearing and tom foolery?

It'll be a bit of a balance of both and neither. We want the writing to be professional, we're going to have strict editorial standards and all that. But we're going to to want it to reflect the personality of the community as well. So we want to emphasize humor and personality, as well as that nerdy know-it-all side of TNL.
17 Jun 2008, 11:40 AM
Mr-K

Quote:

Originally Posted by icarusfall

The Hipster Review with Mr. K

I'd watch the shit out of that.

Coming up this week, I talk about 1930s Proto-ambient Appalachian Mountain Bull Singing and its inevitable quasi-ironic comeback. Also This week in fashion: Brightly colored moccasins!

Unsurprisingly though, I would be interested in contributing to this. Writing as a profession (ha) is an idea I've always toyed with but because of how competitive the industry is, how poorly paid (if paid at all) it tends to be, and a general lack of experience on my part--I've never been able to commit to the whole idea. But anyway, I was thinking of picking up a few freelancing gigs and see how the whole things pans out and find out whether or not I'll be eaten alive and left a shallow husk of my former self.

The problem with writing on TNL is that I don't really follow video games anymore.
17 Jun 2008, 02:07 PM
Revoltor

Join the club.
17 Jun 2008, 05:46 PM
Advocate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-K

The problem with writing on TNL is that I don't really follow video games anymore.

You're hired.
17 Jun 2008, 05:55 PM
Othello Harrington

lol
17 Jun 2008, 08:13 PM
Drewbacca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

It'll be a bit of a balance of both and neither. We want the writing to be professional, we're going to have strict editorial standards and all that. But we're going to to want it to reflect the personality of the community as well. So we want to emphasize humor and personality, as well as that nerdy know-it-all side of TNL.

TNL always seemed about the never-satisfied, everything sucks until proven awesome, and nothing-is-sacred vibe to me. Professional writing is always a good idea, the hard part is not getting stuck between to world's and ending up being nothing important or relevant to anybody.
17 Jun 2008, 08:17 PM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

TNL always seemed about the never-satisfied, everything sucks until proven awesome, and nothing-is-sacred vibe to me.

Some of it is, some of it isn't. Josh and NeoZeedeater are both TNL to the bone, but they don't have much in common. We have a lot of people here. What I intend to do is encourage our writers to have a personality, a sense of humor, and let that show in their writing. I'm not here to tell people to be cynical or what kind of attitude to have, what kind of jokes to make... You can't do that. I just want to get away from the rigid attitudes that other sites have about reviews and features and see what happens.

Some outlets get caught up in what they think a review should and shouldn't be. They think that it's not a review unless they discuss how good the graphics and the sound are and put a number at the end. That's bullshit. A review is just a short opinion piece for an editor to discuss his experience with a game and recommend it or not. Its goal is to communicate what the writer thinks is significant and relevant and to do it in a way that is entertaining. That's what a good writer does. Fuck any other suppositions.
18 Jun 2008, 12:12 AM
Drewbacca

I'd have a 10 point scale from 9.1 - 10. That way no game companies could get mad and everybody would be able to know if a game sucked or not (9.1 being 1, 9.2 being a 2, etc and so on).
18 Jun 2008, 12:15 AM
NeoZeedeater

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Some of it is, some of it isn't. Josh and NeoZeedeater are both TNL to the bone, but they don't have much in common.

Coincidentally, I was listening to the Ramones while reading this.
18 Jun 2008, 12:26 AM
Drewbacca

I don't think Josh likes the Ramones. He's more of a Clash man.
18 Jun 2008, 12:26 AM
Super-Eggroll

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

I'd have a 10 point scale from 9.1 - 10. That way no game companies could get mad and everybody would be able to know if a game sucked or not (9.1 being 1, 9.2 being a 2, etc and so on).

LOL! I'd buy the first game that proudly proclaimed on the back of the box: "9.1, from beginning to end!" -- THE-NEXTLEVEL.COM
18 Jun 2008, 12:28 AM
Mzo

I wanna do stuff!!
18 Jun 2008, 12:29 AM
Drewbacca

Keep a WOW diary and walkthrough. We know you've power leveled every class and race. You can call it a WOW Journal if you want to be more manly about it, but we'll all know it's really a diary.
18 Jun 2008, 12:29 AM
Frogacuda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

I wanna do stuff!!

You had your chance.
18 Jun 2008, 12:31 AM
Mzo

I really haven't =[ Just two characters ever, pally and priest.

If anyone's been looking at my Facebook you've probably noticed the achievement storm blowing through. I've been getting back into console games in a big way recently =3
18 Jun 2008, 12:32 AM
Mzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

You had your chance.

Hey! What does this mean?

It's ok either way, but I'm around if anything.
18 Jun 2008, 12:34 AM
cka

no "Kids Corner" editorials by Mzo this time 'round
18 Jun 2008, 12:35 AM
Mzo

If my legacy is to be summed in dating a hot 17 year old, so be it.
18 Jun 2008, 12:39 AM
Mr-K

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Some of it is, some of it isn't. Josh and NeoZeedeater are both TNL to the bone, but they don't have much in common. We have a lot of people here. What I intend to do is encourage our writers to have a personality, a sense of humor, and let that show in their writing. I'm not here to tell people to be cynical or what kind of attitude to have, what kind of jokes to make... You can't do that. I just want to get away from the rigid attitudes that other sites have about reviews and features and see what happens.

Some outlets get caught up in what they think a review should and shouldn't be. They think that it's not a review unless they discuss how good the graphics and the sound are and put a number at the end. That's bullshit. A review is just a short opinion piece for an editor to discuss his experience with a game and recommend it or not. Its goal is to communicate what the writer thinks is significant and relevant and to do it in a way that is entertaining. That's what a good writer does. Fuck any other suppositions.

I like this attitude. My problem with a lot of entertainment writing is that it's way too rigid and formulaic. Intro, Background, Story Summary, Technical Stuff you enjoyed/didn't enjoy, summary, end. It gets boring.
18 Jun 2008, 12:42 AM
Nick

Absolutely true: Mzo was just on Live playing Sneak King.
18 Jun 2008, 12:43 AM
Mzo

HEY NOT EVERYONE HAS MGS4 OK
18 Jun 2008, 12:44 AM
Nick

I was going to go for the rest of the Sneak King Achievements eventually. It was my first 360 game.
18 Jun 2008, 12:45 AM
bahn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

HEY NOT EVERYONE HAS MGS4 OK

!
18 Jun 2008, 12:49 AM
bbobb

He was playing SOTN the other day.
18 Jun 2008, 12:55 AM
Mzo

200/200 baby
18 Jun 2008, 03:54 AM
Josh

I bet he was playing wow too. nerd
18 Jun 2008, 04:25 AM
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

I wanna do stuff!!

I just beat Twilight princess and whenever midna was talking I thought of Mzo. Then when she turned into a girl I was confused Mzo's mom?
18 Jun 2008, 10:14 AM
Chux

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

Absolutely true: Mzo was just on Live playing Sneak King.

I gave him shit about it too, Steph was like hey isn't that the burger king game.

I lol'd.
18 Jun 2008, 03:53 PM
Josh

I have sneak king. Its still in my car from the day i bought it.
18 Jun 2008, 03:55 PM
Chux

Pocketbike Racer > Sneak King

I said it.
18 Jun 2008, 04:26 PM
Rumpy

That's true.
18 Jun 2008, 07:48 PM
Melf

pls blv.

I still have an extra set of all three games, still sealed and in my closet somewhere.
18 Jun 2008, 07:50 PM
Some Stupid Japanese Name

THAT SHIT WILL PUT YOUR KID(s) THROUGH COLLEGE ONE DAY!
I'd tell you what games I have still sealed and in my closet, but it would lead to flames and jealousy.
18 Jun 2008, 08:06 PM
Andrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name

THAT SHIT WILL PUT YOUR KID(s) THROUGH COLLEGE ONE DAY!
I'd tell you what games I have still sealed and in my closet, but it would lead to flames and jealousy.

Sealed original copy of Earthbound, perhaps?
19 Jun 2008, 01:00 AM
Fe 26

I'm going to guess "Virginity"
19 Jun 2008, 02:46 AM
Josh

I have a sealed copy of Rise of the Robots for the 3D0. I'm not sure why.

Also: NES Ice Hockey.
19 Jun 2008, 08:36 AM
Chux

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mzo

200/200 baby

I helped Mzo get his 200 for Contra last night.

Game is garbage btw.
19 Jun 2008, 06:12 PM
Some Stupid Japanese Name

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

I have a sealed copy of Rise of the Robots for the 3D0. I'm not sure why.

Also: NES Ice Hockey.

I've over 20 sealed copies of Immercenary and Foes of Ali for the 3DO.
Wanna trade?
22 Jun 2008, 01:33 PM
Josh

Whats your excuse?
23 Jun 2008, 03:18 PM
kingoffighters

He works in a game store.
23 Jun 2008, 03:39 PM
Josh

http://the-nextlevel.com/board/pictu...&pictureid=343
24 Jun 2008, 03:38 AM
PKBMax

The band is back together!

Awesome news guys!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Sqoon works at RottenTomatoes full-time, MarkRyan is now EiC of IGN Guides, Reno went on to IGN and eventually Capcom, I write for IGN, bahn has written for IGN, Gamespy, and 1up, sl1p wrote for 1up, Joystiq, and a string of progressively less relevant shit. Melf writes occasional freelance stuff for GamesTM, James, Ammadeau and some others write/wrote for HGM...

I know I'm forgetting stuff, but it's a pretty long list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bahn

Aside from the boldface edit above, this is the only others I can recall...

Makaze used to write for us a bit, so I figure he deserved a mention. He's now the Editorial Director of IGN. Shidoshi did too in TNL's earlier years - who we all now know is working for Play. I think that just about covers it.

Add me to the list of those who went from TNL staff to a writing career. I've done a lot of paid writing since.

If I knew I had the time to commit I'd love to throw my name in the TNL 4.0 mix. With life today the most I could prob do is a periodic column about balancing gaming with raising a family -- i.e. being a "hardcore" gamer stuck hopelessly behind the tech curve, working on the pile of shame and gaming on the cheap.
24 Jun 2008, 09:08 AM
Razor Ramon

I don't think a news journalism career really fits into that example, because I've written for newspapers/magazines for years but I've never considered myself one of those TNL guys who went on to success. I firmly believe TNL only counts those who write for video games.
24 Jun 2008, 10:33 AM
PKBMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

I don't think a news journalism career really fits into that example, because I've written for newspapers/magazines for years but I've never considered myself one of those TNL guys who went on to success. I firmly believe TNL only counts those who write for video games.

All I'm trying to say is that my experience as a TNL staff member helped me pursue a writing career. The fact that I wasn't solely focused on games only means that I wanted to pursue broader interests. I already had game industry experience as a programmer so I was looking for other opportunities.
24 Jun 2008, 10:46 AM
Razor Ramon

I had no idea you wrote for the site. Carry on.
24 Jun 2008, 11:05 AM
PKBMax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

I had no idea you wrote for the site. Carry on.

;)

Anyway I'm just trying to give TNL its due props. I'm glad to hear it's coming back in full force.
24 Jun 2008, 11:38 AM
BerringerX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-K

Unsurprisingly though, I would be interested in contributing to this. Writing as a profession (ha) is an idea I've always toyed with but because of how competitive the industry is, how poorly paid (if paid at all) it tends to be, and a general lack of experience on my part--I've never been able to commit to the whole idea. But anyway, I was thinking of picking up a few freelancing gigs and see how the whole things pans out and find out whether or not I'll be eaten alive and left a shallow husk of my former self.

The problem with writing on TNL is that I don't really follow video games anymore.

In the same boat, here. The main problem with me even attempting to contribute is that I don't really know dick about games, just movies. And movies don't exactly faull under the website umbrella-ella-ella.
24 Jun 2008, 01:32 PM
cka

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerringerX

In the same boat, here. The main problem with me even attempting to contribute is that I don't really know dick about games, just movies. And movies don't exactly faull under the website umbrella-ella-ella.

perhaps not right now, but I've already got some nifty ideas rattling around for v5 (despite the fact that v4 hasn't even launched yet) which include* basically aping Gamespot's union/community blog system :bang:

* includes, but may not see light of day - depends on time, community/administration want, and idea implementation difficulty, among other factors so don't hold your breath for it
28 Jun 2008, 06:22 PM
stormy

Can 4.0 be blue? It's not TNL if it's not classic blue.
28 Jun 2008, 08:59 PM
Frogacuda

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Originally Posted by stormy

Can 4.0 be blue? It's not TNL if it's not classic blue.

It's blue, but not the same shade. It's a pretty drastically different look, though, so don't expect much sentimentality in the design.
30 Jun 2008, 09:24 AM
AstroBlue

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Originally Posted by Mzo

I really haven't =[ Just two characters ever, pally and priest.

If anyone's been looking at my Facebook you've probably noticed the achievement storm blowing through. I've been getting back into console games in a big way recently =3

Crissaegrim is like level 50, right?

Shit I have two 70s and a 64, so I can't say shit.
11 Jul 2008, 01:02 PM
K3V

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Hooray!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1215792146
14 Jul 2008, 02:21 PM
Tain

oh shit.

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16 Jul 2008, 08:13 AM
nocturne

I do not like the Hardcore Gamer partnership... :(
16 Jul 2008, 12:28 PM
Hero

I read some of the reviews and like the fact that it's still keeping brief, personal, and insightful. I don't need to know every nuance of a game before I play it - that's why I play games in the first place. But getting an entertaining rundown of what someone else felt while playing? That's a bit more fun than a mechanical breakdown of a game. Reading a review like that feels like homework.
16 Jul 2008, 12:36 PM
dave is ok

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Originally Posted by Hero

I don't need to know every nuance of a game before I play it - that's why I play games in the first place.

Coming from someone who likes Zelda games, this is hilarious

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