EGM says Perfect Dark to PS2, Conker to Xbox!

*note* I got this from another forum, I don't have my EGM yet so I can't verify.

SOURCE - Electronic Gaming Monthly
ISSUE # - 157 (August 2002)
PAGE # - 50

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Something smells fishy in GameCube land, and it's got Rare written all over it. Their suspicious absence from E3 only served to further fuel the fire around rumors that the developer is leaving for more flexible surroundings. Recent buzz indicates that we may learn the truth about their multi-platform future after Star Fox Adventures hits the U.S. And to whet your appetite further, here's the latest reconnaissance: The first games in their lineup are rumored to include a PS2 version of Perfect Dark Zero (can you say online play?) and an Xbox sequel to Conker's Bad Fur Day. Current speculation indicates that publishing duties will go to a major third party (to be announced) with GameCube-exclusive titles handled by Nintendo. Those may still include Kameo: Elements of Power and Donkey Kong Racing. Other Rare series may get divided up as well, so if you're a fan, you may have to buy multiple systems. Stay tuned ...


Anyway, I liked Conker a HELL of a lot more than PD, but that was largely due to N64's inferior hardware for PD; it ran like garbage. I think PD would've fit a lot better on XB, but hey, it's good news all around either way :)

Didn't some UK mag report this a month ago? Sounds like they got it right...

...*tries to think of last Rare game he cared about*...uh, I guess this is big news for someone. Not me, but someone.

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Originally posted by Andy787
but hey, it's good news all around either way :)

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i don't see how. not that im against Rare going third party, but i mean, why down grade the system? Perfect Dark should be on xbox or GameCube.

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Originally posted by Lucas Barton

i don't see how. not that im against Rare going third party, but i mean, why down grade the system? Perfect Dark should be on xbox or GameCube.

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I do agree that PD should definitely be on GC or XB, not just because of the hardware, but because of PS2's crap ass analog sticks. Anyway, it is good news for the larger user base of PS2, though yeah, you could really say that for any game :p

Nice!

In five hours, this thread will be five pages long and full of undecipherable flames. No good can come from this.

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Nice!

In five hours, this thread will be five pages long and full of undecipherable flames. No good can come from this.

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Originally posted by Stibbons
Nice!

In five hours, this thread will be five pages long and full of undecipherable flames. No good can come from this.

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Screw you, Stibbons, or should I say Lucas Barton?!? We're all reasonable people here who don't get into arguments just because PS2 is so much cooler than your Nintendo Gaycube and...

*snap*

...Y'know, maybe having Fight Club around as a way to release tension wasn't such a bad idea...

you guys really think we're the same person? well, just to prove any one who thinks this wrong, ask anyone who saw my name tag at E3 if it said Eric Stibbons on it.

anyways, i feel that the game shouldn't be on PS2 just because Rare was working on much better hardware, why would they want to settle for anything less?
sure, Perfect Dark is likely to sell more on PS2, but last i checked, it didn't sell well even with all the hype it got.

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you guys really think we're the same person?

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How would I know? I just thought it was funny that I've been on here all night while working on a paper, and the only time you guys post at all was minutes apart from each other, in the same thread. I know you're not supposed to have more than one account, but who knows what haXX0ring insanity you can wreak with that power glove? It was pretty crazy in Johnny Mnemonic.

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anyways, i feel that the game shouldn't be on PS2 just because Rare was working on much better hardware, why would they want to settle for anything less?

sure, Perfect Dark is likely to sell more on PS2, but last i checked, it didn't sell well even with all the hype it got.

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I think you answered your own question. There's 15x as many PS2s out there as GCs; the beancounters must have worked out they'd do better with it [waits for GC owner to chime in "but it'll do better on GC! We have no games, we'll all buy it! WE HAVE NO GAMES SIR, WE HAVE NO GAMES!!]. Either that, or Rare were just pissed at Nintendo and wanted to cut loose with the biggest franchise they have that's not a Nintendo property.

Sweet Christ Andy, funniest sig ever. I'm ashamed to even let mine out in public after seeing that.

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Sweet Christ Andy, funniest sig ever. I'm ashamed to even let mine out in public after seeing that.

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Thanks, though I can't take credit for it. I found it on a fan site and just had to use it :)

Oh well, still funny. Even if it is an on-loan funny.

Back on topic, Rare can do whatever they like one way or the other, but I wish they'd just hurry up and get it over with.

Hah, an on-load funny. Anyway, I agree, if Rare isn't sleeping with Nintendo anymore, I don't think 4 year development times are going to float :p

i dont know this rumor has been floating around for a long time

not that i really care about Rare games but ill take the ill beleive it when i see it approach

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It was pretty crazy in Johnny Mnemonic.

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My God. Someone actually watched that film? I stopped the instant I found that Molly wasn't in it. :mad:

Well I imagine the rumors are ture, I mean Nintendo and Rare have been butting heads for months now. But I think its has to do more with Rare getting upset at Nintendo for getting all hot and bothered over the games they are supposed to be making taking an extremely long ass time, plus people are leaving Rare like crazy. I bet Nintendo does not even want Rare around any more. I like a lot of Rares games, some were real stinkers though (Donkey Kong 64, and I am not a fan of PD, but thats do to PD being to ambitious for the N64). But Rare seems like they are like those strung out heroin actors you see in movies that keep trying to get their act together and get all sorts of help from people but end up back on heroin and the people who were helping them just give up on them and kick them out. I think Rare is now just trying to find new dealers. Oh well. I just want some sequals to their old NES games, like Captain Skyhawk or R.C. Pro Am, and it would be intresting to see what a 3D Next Gen sequal to Snake Rattel and Roll could be like. But a Conker sequal on Xbox will do just fine I guess.

I stopped myself from watching it when I found out a fucking dolphin wound up pretty much saving the world. I don't care how well it was written, when flipper's fucking sixth cousin in the future saves the workd in a sci fi movie, you and everyone else involved in the movie shoud have your testicles bashed to prevent future generations from unleashing similar monstrosities.

Lordmrw: The dolphin saves the world? Damn, they took that story to hell. I'm not sure how many have actually read the short story, but it's damn good. And while there was a dolphin in the story, he hardly had a role in "saving the world". I do know one thing, however... Gibson himself had originally written the script, only to find that Sony dumped it at the last minute in favor of a crappy, big-budget save-the-world script.

So, the story doesn't even resemble the movie. *plug!* Everyone who's reading this post: Go out and buy Burning Chrome, a collection of Gibson's short stories. You'll end up a better person. :D

I really cared about this a few months ago, but recently I began thinking about how many good games Rare really has made.

Conkers: A decent platformer. Really more about swearing than gameplay.

PD: Fun, but actually worse than Goldeneye somehow. Used to be the best console FPS engine.

Banjo and Kazooie/Tooie/Patooie: Never played.

Donkey Kong 64: I liked it, no one else did.

Goldeneye: GOD. Also 6 years ago.

That's really about it. The moral of the story is that as many have pointed out, Rare is highly overrated, and besides, the PS2 and Xbox don't have nearly enough "rumored" or "in development" titles.

I guess this is great news for Conker fans and a kick in the head to Perfect Dark fans. Since Conker is one of the few Rare games I've liked in recent years..... good news for me.

I still gotta' feel sorry for Perfect Dark fans. As much as I dislike Rare, I hate the PS2 even more. I wouldn't wish that interlace-inducing hardware on anybody. Hey, Sony, GET A PROGRESSIVE SCAN MODE!

edit: Wow, that was random and out of place. It's hard to keep that PS2 venom in check sometimes.;)

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My God. Someone actually watched that film? I stopped the instant I found that Molly wasn't in it. :mad:

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interesting. I found out Beat Takeshi was in it, and have since been meaning to get a copy.

My Nintendo fanboy is hurting, but I really want to see more of Conker, and the Box is a good fit. PD on the PS2 is disappointing, but so is basically every PS2 title.

What I really want is a JFG sequel.

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Originally posted by burgundy

What I really want is a JFG sequel.

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Now there's a sentiment I can get behind. Jet Force Gemini was the only Rare title I cared anything about, so I'd really like to see a sequel. Instead, we get Conker. Didn't CBFD sell like crap? Why not a Jet Force sequel? Dammit Rare, get on it!

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Now there's a sentiment I can get behind. Jet Force Gemini was the only Rare title I cared anything about, so I'd really like to see a sequel. Instead, we get Conker. Didn't CBFD sell like crap? Why not a Jet Force sequel? Dammit Rare, get on it!

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Conker did sell very poorly, but because it was released on a dying platform and to a tiny target market. On a viable console with some strong marketing, Conker would have been huge. Though I was happy to play it, I think Nintendo and Rare should have held CFBD back for the Cube.

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My God. Someone actually watched that film? I stopped the instant I found that Molly wasn't in it. :mad:

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Well, at the time a bunch of my friends were Gibson fans, so we saw it at the theatre. It was kinda fun watching Ice-T and Keanu blow up Toronto, so we didn't leave. At the end, the Canada Trust building blows up (it was supposed to be the bad guy's office in the film), which was the bank my friend was working for at the time. He stood up and cheered.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Conker did sell very poorly, but because it was released on a dying platform and to a tiny target market. On a viable console with some strong marketing, Conker would have been huge. Though I was happy to play it, I think Nintendo and Rare should have held CFBD back for the Cube.

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i have to agree with this big time

i mean the game came out the summer before the cube hit right (or am i wrong on its release time frame) I mean it came out ona dying system what everyone and there mother was psyching for the next system in a few months

they should have done to conker what was done with Eternal Darkness, Starfox, Resident Evil 0 etc ect would have done much better and i bet they could have accomplished more of what they wanted to with it

conker is the first rare game since Goldeneye i cared about

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Originally posted by burgundy
Conker did sell very poorly, but because it was released on a dying platform and to a tiny target market. On a viable console with some strong marketing, Conker would have been huge. Though I was happy to play it, I think Nintendo and Rare should have held CFBD back for the Cube.

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Well, if Nintendo was going to give it the same marketing push that they did on the 64, then sales wouldn't have been much different. However, put together with RE and Eternal Darkness, it could have really added some power to the 18+ lineup of games for the Cube, especially if they improved it like what was done with ED. I can imagine how it would have looked without the N64 "Vaseline smudging" all over the screen. I hated how the games looked because of that, like the walls were smeared on or something.

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Well, if Nintendo was going to give it the same marketing push that they did on the 64, then sales wouldn't have been much different. However, put together with RE and Eternal Darkness, it could have really added some power to the 18+ lineup of games for the Cube, especially if they improved it like what was done with ED. I can imagine how it would have looked without the N64 "Vaseline smudging" all over the screen. I hated how the games looked because of that, like the walls were smeared on or something.

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Marketing was only one element. The fact that Conker came out on a dying platform with almost zero 18+ install base completely doomed it. With the same (lack of) marketing, but on a cutting-edge console, Conker would have sold at least 10 times as many copies.

And I don't understand how anyone can complain about Conker's visuals. That thing was a miracle of code. I guess it's a matter of taste, but I always preferred the 64's smooth "blurriness" to the gritty pixellated textures of the PSX.

Hmmmmm.......I'm hoping for PD on Cube...I don't like the PS2 sticks at all. And I don't have an Xbox, so I would want that on a system I have. Damn it.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Marketing was only one element. The fact that Conker came out on a dying platform with almost zero 18+ install base completely doomed it. With the same (lack of) marketing, but on a cutting-edge console, Conker would have sold at least 10 times as many copies.

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By cutting-edge console, you mean any of the three, right? Because I can't see how the Cube's 18+ install base is any larger than the 64's was. Not to get into the "kiddie" thing or anything, I'm just saying that to appeal to that base to sell more than it did on 64, it would have to have been released on another system, simply because of the amount of system's sold. If the 18+ crowd didn't buy it on 64, which was around for 5 years, they weren't going to run out in droves to buy it on Game Cube.

The graphics looked more or less the same to me as DK and JFG did. That same smudged effect. I guess it's just something inherent to Rare N64 games.

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Originally posted by StriderKyo ...*tries to think of last Rare game he cared about*...uh, I guess this is big news for someone. Not me, but someone.

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Heh. Pretty much my thoughts. Maybe they'll do a new RC Pro Am or Jetpac or something and I'll care.

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By cutting-edge console, you mean any of the three, right? Because I can't see how the Cube's 18+ install base is any larger than the 64's was. Not to get into the "kiddie" thing or anything, I'm just saying that to appeal to that base to sell more than it did on 64, it would have to have been released on another system, simply because of the amount of system's sold. If the 18+ crowd didn't buy it on 64, which was around for 5 years, they weren't going to run out in droves to buy it on Game Cube.

The graphics looked more or less the same to me as DK and JFG did. That same smudged effect. I guess it's just something inherent to Rare N64 games.

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The 64 had a decent 18+ install base in it's prime, but a lot of that market had either unloaded their 64s or weren't buying software for them anymore. I'm not saying that Conker for the Cube would have been a million-seller - just that the viability of the console - combined with the Cube's increased appeal to the older market after RE and ED - would have resulted in increased sales. Other than being an amazing game IMO, Conker on the 64 had absolutely nothing going for it.

i've never played either, so i dont care.

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i've never played either, so i dont care.

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Thanks for your constructive input.

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Originally posted by burgundy
Thanks for your constructive input.

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sorry, i couldnt help myself.:)

I thought Conker was a pretty cool game, that really pushed the technical limits of the N64, but would it ever have been a hit, even if it had been a PSX title? I mean... the mixture of kiddie cartoon characters and blue humor, would that really find a demographic? Outside of the hentai loving perverts in video game message boards? I doubt it, but I guess we'll see when it's sequel appears on the Box.

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I guess this is great news for Conker fans and a kick in the head to Perfect Dark fans. Since Conker is one of the few Rare games I've liked in recent years..... good news for me.

I still gotta' feel sorry for Perfect Dark fans. As much as I dislike Rare, I hate the PS2 even more. I wouldn't wish that interlace-inducing hardware on anybody. Hey, Sony, GET A PROGRESSIVE SCAN MODE!

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OMG! It's like you took my thoughts right from my brain with an ice cream scooper and put it into words! Thank you!!!

I can't wait for another Conkers game. Singing Poo anyone?

That blows that PD is gonna be a PS2 game, I REALLY wish it would be an X-Box game.

I own Johnny Mnemonic on DVD.

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I thought Conker was a pretty cool game, that really pushed the technical limits of the N64, but would it ever have been a hit, even if it had been a PSX title? I mean... the mixture of kiddie cartoon characters and blue humor, would that really find a demographic? Outside of the hentai loving perverts in video game message boards? I doubt it, but I guess we'll see when it's sequel appears on the Box.

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I imagine the same people that keep South Park on the air...

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I really cared about this a few months ago, but recently I began thinking about how many good games Rare really has made.

Conkers: A decent platformer. Really more about swearing than gameplay.

PD: Fun, but actually worse than Goldeneye somehow. Used to be the best console FPS engine.

Banjo and Kazooie/Tooie/Patooie: Never played.

Donkey Kong 64: I liked it, no one else did.

Goldeneye: GOD. Also 6 years ago.

That's really about it. The moral of the story is that as many have pointed out, Rare is highly overrated, and besides, the PS2 and Xbox don't have nearly enough "rumored" or "in development" titles.

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Since I'm damn sick of people saying Rare has never released any good games, I'm going to put their entire release list here.

If you can look at this list and honestly tell me that they haven't made some damn good games then it may be time to find a new hobby, one that you actually like.

FORMAT: 64-BIT
(Nintendo 64 only)

BANJO-KAZOOIE
BLAST CORPS
BANJO-TOOIE
CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY
DONKEY KONG 64
DIDDY KONG RACING
GOLDENEYE 007
JET FORCE GEMINI
MICKEY'S SPEEDWAY USA
KI GOLD
PERFECT DARK


FORMAT: 16-BIT
(SNES, Mega Drive)

BATTLETOADS IN BATTLEMANIACS
BATTLETOADS DOUBLE DRAGON
CHAMPIONSHIP PRO-AM
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 2
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 3
KEN GRIFFEY JR'S WINNING RUN
KILLER INSTINCT
SNAKE RATTLE 'N' ROLL

FORMAT: 8-BIT
(NES, Master System)

ANTICIPATION
ARCH RIVALS
BATTLETOADS
BATTLETOADS DOUBLE DRAGON
BEETLEJUICE
CABAL
CALIFORNIA GAMES
CAPTAIN SKYHAWK
COBRA TRIANGLE
DIGGER T. ROCK
DOUBLE DARE
HIGH SPEED
HOLLYWOOD SQUARES
INDY HEAT
IRONSWORD
JEOPARDY!
JEOPARDY! JUNIOR
JEOPARDY! 25TH ANNIVERSARY
JOHN ELWAY'S QUARTERBACK
JORDAN VS. BIRD
MARBLE MADNESS
NARC
A NIGHTMARE ON ELM ST.
PIN BOT
PIRATES!
R.C. PRO-AM
R.C. PRO-AM II
SESAME STREET 123
SESAME STREET ABC
SESAME STREET ABC & 123
SILENT SERVICE
SILVERSWORD
SLALOM
SNAKE RATTLE 'N' ROLL
SOLAR JETMAN
SUPER GLOVE BALL
SUPER OFF ROAD
TABOO
TIME LORD
WHEEL OF FORTUNE
W.O.F. FAMILY
W.O.F. JUNIOR
WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT
WIZARDS & WARRIORS
WORLD GAMES
WWF WRESTLEMANIA
WWF WRESTLE- MANIA CHALLENGE


FORMAT: HAND-HELD
(Game Boy, GBC, Game Gear)

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
BATTLETOADS
BATTLETOADS DOUBLE DRAGON
BATTLETOADS IN RAGNAROK'S WORLD
BEETLEJUICE
CONKER'S POCKET TALES
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY
DONKEY KONG LAND
DONKEY KONG LAND 2
DONKEY KONG LAND 3
FORTRESS OF FEAR
KILLER INSTINCT
MICKEY'S RACING ADVENTURE
MONSTER MAX
PERFECT DARK
SNEAKY SNAKES
SUPER R.C. PRO-AM
WWF SUPERSTAR

FORMAT: ARCADE

KILLER INSTINCT
KILLER INSTINCT 2
SUPER BATTLETOADS
X THE BALL

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ARCH RIVALS
CABAL
CAPTAIN SKYHAWK
COBRA TRIANGLE
SOLAR JETMAN

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Y'know, I had no idea they made those. But since platformers do nothing for me these days, it's still been quite a while since they did anything that I was really interested in.

Wow, they've made more games then I thought they had.

Which makes it all the more pathetic when I scan that list and realize that if I could have any of their games for free to play the hell out of, I'd still only pick up Battletoads.

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SESAME STREET 123
SESAME STREET ABC
SESAME STREET ABC & 123

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Those Sesame Street games were killer.

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Something smells fishy in GameCube land, and it's got Rare written all over it. Their suspicious absence from E3 only served to further fuel the fire around rumors that the developer is leaving for more flexible surroundings.

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More flexible surroundings? Who, besides nintendo, would put up with rare's shit? Every big game they make takes them atleast 3 years, and costs millions to make. And after seeing how good Star Fox Adventures looks, why would they want to downgrade to the PS2? I bet they are gonna try to get way too fancy, and the game will be all choppy and will come out in 2007.

No matter what system PD and conker come out for, I'll be the first in line, but I think leaving Nintendo is a stupid move.

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Since I'm damn sick of people saying Rare has never released any good games, I'm going to put their entire release list here.

If you can look at this list and honestly tell me that they haven't made some damn good games then it may be time to find a new hobby, one that you actually like.

FORMAT: 64-BIT
(Nintendo 64 only)

BANJO-KAZOOIE
BLAST CORPS
BANJO-TOOIE
CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY
DONKEY KONG 64
DIDDY KONG RACING
GOLDENEYE 007
JET FORCE GEMINI
MICKEY'S SPEEDWAY USA
KI GOLD
PERFECT DARK

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Pffft. It doesn't mean shit if they made good games almost 10 years ago, so I'll just go through their later works.

BANJO-KAZOOIE- Average platformer.
BLAST CORPS- Never played, never cared. Didn't look even remotely fun.
BANJO-TOOIE- Average platformer.
CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY- Very funny average platformer.
DONKEY KONG 64- Average platformer with major issues.
DIDDY KONG RACING- Who cares? Mascot racing? ZzzZzzzZzzZzzzz...
GOLDENEYE 007- Most overrated N64 game ever. Boring FPS crap. N64's version of Halo.
JET FORCE GEMINI- Crap.
MICKEY'S SPEEDWAY USA- Never played, but know I would call it crap if I did.
KI GOLD- Crap.
PERFECT DARK- Super smelly crap.


I don't hate Rare, but most of what they make is hardly special. Only rumored/announced GC games I cared about from them were SFA and Conker 2. Maybe new Banjo if they do something interesting... Still... nothing to get worked up about, I say good riddence to Rare, Nintendo doesn't need 'em.

Just a side note, I find it interesting that some Nintendo fans are worried, yet only in the 32/64 gen was Rare a 2nd party... they've been 3rd party for most their existance, this is just returning to it.

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Pffft. It doesn't mean shit if they made good games almost 10 years ago, so I'll just go through their later works.

BANJO-KAZOOIE- Average platformer.
BLAST CORPS- Never played, never cared. Didn't look even remotely fun.
BANJO-TOOIE- Average platformer.
CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY- Very funny average platformer.
DONKEY KONG 64- Average platformer with major issues.
DIDDY KONG RACING- Who cares? Mascot racing? ZzzZzzzZzzZzzzz...
GOLDENEYE 007- Most overrated N64 game ever. Boring FPS crap. N64's version of Halo.
JET FORCE GEMINI- Crap.
MICKEY'S SPEEDWAY USA- Never played, but know I would call it crap if I did.
KI GOLD- Crap.
PERFECT DARK- Super smelly crap.


I don't hate Rare, but most of what they make is hardly special. Only rumored/announced GC games I cared about from them were SFA and Conker 2. Maybe new Banjo if they do something interesting... Still... nothing to get worked up about, I say good riddence to Rare, Nintendo doesn't need 'em.

Just a side note, I find it interesting that some Nintendo fans are worried, yet only in the 32/64 gen was Rare a 2nd party... they've been 3rd party for most their existance, this is just returning to it.

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Well if you want to simply label things as crap without even thinking about why that's your perogative. You ought to write for one of the current shitrags. "It sucks because I said so. XBox rules your mother!" Real intelligent.

It's funny how the fact that you say "Never played, never cared. Didn't look even remotely fun." about Blast Corps is supposed to be a statement about Rare and not your own ignorance. They put out a damn fun, unique, and challenging game, that actually tried something different in Blast Corps, the fact that you never bothered to try it sure as hell ins't their fault.

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Well if you want to simply label things as crap without even thinking about why that's your perogative. You ought to write for one of the current shitrags. "It sucks because I said so. XBox rules your mother!" Real intelligent.

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Ummmm.... how much thought would you be happy with me putting into calling a game crap? I though if the game was total crap, I was justified in calling it crap, but you want more? An essay perhaps?

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It's funny how the fact that you say "Never played, never cared. Didn't look even remotely fun." about Blast Corps is supposed to be a statement about Rare and not your own ignorance.

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Ummm... yea. Ha. Very funny... ummm...

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They put out a damn fun, unique, and challenging game, that actually tried something different in Blast Corps, the fact that you never bothered to try it sure as hell ins't their fault.

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It is their fault that it looks and sounds so shitty that I wouldn't even bother trying it.

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It is their fault that it looks and sounds so shitty that I wouldn't even bother trying it.

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That's the kind of shitty attitude that has killed the niche gaming market.

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That's the kind of shitty attitude that has killed the niche gaming market.

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Boo hoo! I don't have the time (or money) to give every POS game 'a chance'. I read plenty of reviews, analyzed what the game was about and what you did (ignored the opinions), looked at the screens, and it wasn't worth my time. I'm sorry if that makes the Rare lovers feel bad... wait, no I'm not. If you said there was a game where you clean a cats litter box over and over should I give it a try because it's original or 'niche'? Fuck no.

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If you said there was a game where you clean a cats litter box over and over should I give it a try because it's original or 'niche'? Fuck no.

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