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Ignoring all this piracy talk :mad: , I do my best to buy new only. However, sometimes I must settle for used. I will not buy incomplete games though and I am very obsessed with condition. It is unthinkable what some people do to their games. As for keeping them sealed, I do not do that. I buy all my games to play them. They are open the moment they reach my hands. Why must I buy new then? Because I like my stuff to be in perfect condition.
Nick,
Nice sig!
Ignoring both legality and morality, the argument that pirating hurts as much as the secondhand market is economically invalid. Games cost more and are worth more because they can be resold. If you all feel some sort of need to act as some sort of charity for underpriviliged developers, that's fine, but please don't act like you hold some sort of logical or moral high ground. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Saint of Killers
That's how I feel, too. Justify with your arguments about legality all you like (and pretend that legal=morally correct, too, if you wish), but buying a used game that you can buy new hurts the industry almost as much as pirating. Not that I have a problem with you doing it; I don't really care what you do.
Personally, if I think a game is worth buying, it's worth buying new if possible to support the companies that made and published it. I'd never waste money buying new games that are out of print. If I can't buy it new at a store, then used is fine with me (but then again so is pirating, although I'd prefer to own the original as long as it isn't ridiculously expensive).
I always by new... well, I always try to. The main reason being to support the developers, like other people here have mentioned. So, if there is a choice then I will almost always go with the new, even if it costs more.
The only exceptions are:
a) The game is really hard to find and used is the only realistic option.
b) The savings are really significant.
To all who equate buying used goods to pirating goods:
Piracy != Company loses potential profits.
Piracy == Having something you're not supposed to have.
It's so simple. Buyer A buys Game-X. Buyer A then sells Game-X to Buyer B. Buyer B now owns the game. Buyer A does not. 1 copy of the game circulates.
Buyer A buys Game-X. Buyer A then burns a copy of Game-X for Buyer B. Buyer B now owns the game. Buyer A does too. 2 copies of the game exist and circulate, when one was purchased. See the problem?
Buyer A downloads ISO of Game-X. Buyer A then burns a copy of Game-X for self and Buyer B. Buyer A & B now own the game. 2 copies exist and circulate, when none was purchased. See the problem?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by burgundy
I don't consider Funcoland and Ebay collectors essential parts of the industry, so I feel no need to support them.Quote:
Ignoring both legality and morality, the argument that pirating hurts as much as the secondhand market is economically invalid.
So by not participating in the second-hand market I'm driving down the price of games? Go me!Quote:
Games cost more and are worth more because they can be resold.
I'm not pretending to hold any sort of high ground. Whenever someone brings up piracy and why it's really wrong (in the case of used games, at least) someone inevitably says, as you did, "It's illegal. End of story". Frankly I could give a shit about what the law says if I feel the law is incorrect, foolish, or pointless. The law is not the ultimate moral barometer. I'm not trying to say I'm better than you because I buy new games, I'm trying to say that you're not better than me because you follow copyright laws to the letter.Quote:
If you all feel some sort of need to act as some sort of charity for underpriviliged developers, that's fine, but please don't act like you hold some sort of logical or moral high ground. :)
Edit-misread what you wrote the first time. No one here is arguing that pirating new games is a good thing. I don't care it 10 million copies of Radiant Silvergun are circulating at the moment; neither the sales of the legitimate copies nor the burned ones are helping Treasure any. "Having something you're not supposed to have" makes you sound like the parent of a small child. Try to use slightly more advanced arguments as to why my owning pirated copies of games I can't buy new hurts anybody. And I'll preempt the "Why don't you just wait for every game to go off the market and then pirate it": Because I'm not trying to steal from publishers and developers, obviously.Quote:
Originally posted by Tsubaki
To all who equate buying used goods to pirating goods:
Piracy != Company loses potential profits.
Piracy == Having something you're not supposed to have.
It's so simple. Buyer A buys Game-X. Buyer A then sells Game-X to Buyer B. Buyer B now owns the game. Buyer A does not. 1 copy of the game circulates.
Buyer A buys Game-X. Buyer A then burns a copy of Game-X for Buyer B. Buyer B now owns the game. Buyer A does too. 2 copies of the game exist and circulate, when one was purchased. See the problem?
Buyer A downloads ISO of Game-X. Buyer A then burns a copy of Game-X for self and Buyer B. Buyer A & B now own the game. 2 copies exist and circulate, when none was purchased. See the problem?
I buy new games so the people that made the games get their peice of the pie. If its something I can't buy new, I'll buy it used.
If there isn't a way for me to buy something new, I'll buy it used, but I'd rather have new if the possibility is there.
Although nothing beats a freshly sealed brand new copy of a game, I occasionally go for the used games if the package looks intact and the game is in good condition. I own used copies of Skies of Arcadia and SFIII: DI and they run just fine.
If the game I want is something I'm desperately after, then I'll buy new because that usually means I'm buying the day it comes out. I also buy new for games that I know will not sell well normally and I like supporting the lesser-known games that I know will not sell well but are great stuff (Rez, Gitaroo Man, Frequency, Stretch Panic, Bangai-O, Way of the Samurai), and usually reserve those.
Used games are usually games that I know I don't want to spend full price on but might enjoy for a brief amount of time (FFX [$20]) or is simply too good a deal for me to pass up (I bought Pikmin today for $15, got Skies of Arcadia for $10, and found a second copy of SFIII:TS for $5, but eventually gave that one to a 2D fighting game lacking friend). However, the game must be in good condition with no scratches as should the case and manual. I'll accept some creases and not-perfect care if it's really cheap, but at least the disc must be immaculate.
However, I'll pick up most anything used for $5 or less if it seems like it might interest me at all.
99.9% new, because people crap on their hands and refuse to wash, so you end up with a collection of slime deposits on the case and game.
I've built up a collection of over 80 classic games over the past few years only buying new stuff (it costs more, but definitely worth it).
So I'm really picky on what I buy and what condition I buy it in. Quality over quantity all the way.
Sealed games I own: Contra, Blades of Steel, Duck Tales and Silent Bomber (only because I just got it in the mail!). I intend on opening them all someday, but opening NES games is always a tad painful.
My take: this person's a dumbass. Slap a "million seller" emblem on and you've saved $280+ dollars.Quote:
For example the factory sealed (although could have been rewrapped) Zelda Super Nintendo game that just sold for $300 on eBay, aparrently that game will never be opened... what is your take on this
I'd really like to see someone try to pull that off. Plus, I think it would be kind of obvious if the contents were new or not.Quote:
so if the game is never opened how would they know?
I'll usually only buy a game new if I want it really bad, or can't find it used. Otherwise, I really can't justify spending three times as much for shrinkwrap.