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Originally Posted by Error
Most don't, or so I would imagine, but the argument could be made that the reason for that is that the amendment is doing its job
Well in that case they are actually protecting themselves from themselves, because the only real tyranny to be found anywhere in North America is in a minority that is allowing people to die in staggering numbers every year just to protect their ancient pathetic "right".Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
[QUOTE=Error;1064814133]And how many Americans really think they need to protect themselves from tyrannical oppression these days?/QUOTE]
I hope you're right. I really do.
You're probably right. That doesn't really address what I said, though. The absence of government tyranny, if you believe the pro-gun rhetoric, is because of those guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
Of course that argument may not stand up, and I don't see a revolution coming any time soon. You have a government run by corporate lobbyists and their lackeys, that tries to rob you of your privacy and liberty at every turn, and a ruling class that treats your country as their fiefdom, and yet the people that most fervently support gun ownership don't seem to have a problem with any of that aside from gun control.
I do. I know a lot of other grown men that hate it. But they're so tinfoil that they assume the government already does it and has been doing it. In there defense, I'm talking about men between the ages of 50-70. A lot of them are baby boomers that lived through McCarthyism, the start of the war on drugs, Vietnam, Nixon, the death of Kennedy, 80s greed and corruption, the machine gun regulation of the 80s, Waco Texas (and the AFT somehow getting the power to drive a tank through a cult's house. Something that we haven't even seen our own military do on US soil), gun legislation used to oppress the black panthers, etc. They're pretty jaded at this point. They already think they've lost the stuff that CISPA wants to take away.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
Also, tyranny is a funny thing. You really don't think much about rights until they are gone. Until the oppressor has taken them away.
And guns are kind of paradoxical in that regard. If everyone has them, then they probably aren't being oppressed, right? But if they are heavily restricted or taken away, then you might have opression. But then you don't have them to fight the oppression.
are you for real? That is the only real tyranny?Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
Dude, there are so many worse villains in this country than angry old men that don't want the Fed G. in their gun cabinet. Like people that support paying for education with property tax so all their wonderful children get wonderful education and all the poor inner city kids get shit. Or factories who buy up old cars to crush so they can get pollution credits. Or everyone that wants to keep polluting because 'the liberals are wrong about green house gases' Or people who support Gitmo. Or people who defend the patriot act.
I can accept this. For the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Error
I'd rather people get more healthcare, or some form of free mental healthcare. I'd like for Americans to realize that most people have some kind of mental issue and that 'being crazy' isn't something to be shunned or stigmatized. I'd like people to shift from everyone pretending to be 'normal' to all of us striving to be happy and improve ourselves.
I'd like it if people approach this issue as "man, its really horrible that some guy got so crazy and desperate that he thought killing kids was a good idea. We really should provide care so people don't get to such a low place in their life" and not "Well he killed people with stuff. Lets ban the stuff, and forget every other part of this equation."
Seriously. What about the people who don't kill? What about the unhappy people that never fully get to that point? Just forget about them, right? Gotta save those white babies, right? Fuck crazy adults suffering of mental illness, right?
Frankly, I'm tired of worrying about kids. I'm worried about adults. I want adults to be happy. Let them have all their blunts, bullets, cocks or any other phallic objects that scare moms.
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Originally Posted by Fe 26
Nobody is forgetting "every other part of the equation" though, we all know that gun control is not the answer, but it may be part of it. To not even consider gun control as part of an option is just as stupid as seeing it as the total solution to the issue, as gun availability is clearly one of the reasons that these murder sprees are so severe. Children and teens should not be able to access any guns without atleast an adult present, let alone take assault weapons to their schools.
i don't see why an assault weapon designed specifically to kill humans as efficiently as possible is seen as a right but nuclear armament is not. its just a matter of where you draw the line for ridiculous weaponry. I can accept that other people don't agree with me, but to not even entertain the thought that some kind of gun regulation could be beneficial is pure ignorance.
You cited earlier in this thread that Australias crime rate has risen since the banning of automatic weapons (which i believe are completely unrelated if its true), but atleast my Nephews will grow up in a society where mass shootings don't exist at all. It may be annoying for the gun enthusiasts, but so are red lights and paying taxes, and if you want to live in a society you have to have laws that protect people.
And I don't want to hear "what about handgun violence and poverty and mental illness", the latest attempts at controlling firearms have nothing to do with these issues, it wasn't the "fix America" bill, it was drafted in response to the growing epidemic of assault gun massacres. The other issues are important (much more important imo), and they need to be addressed, but that doesn't have any bearing on the latest gun legislation.
this doesnt existQuote:
Originally Posted by arjue
never going to happen. The world wants US teens to like guns. The bigger the better. You probably want it more than I do, sense you need American teens to want to use guns as a job, enlist, and subsidize your countries national defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by arjue