The Obama Presidency

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

It's actually a shitty amendment and almost certainly the worst written of the original 10. It was also written at a time when people have flintlock muskets or whatever the fuck that couldn't be used to mow down two dozen people in ten minutes.

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You have to keep pace with the army if you want to fight teh tyranny.

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Originally Posted by Doc Holliday

Have you wrote your congressman and told him?

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Why do that when you can bitch on forums?

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

Cannon's are still much less lethal than what we have now. Shitty rebuke of Diff's point.

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I didn't want to embarrass him and exceed the intelligence of his post.

Don't be ignorant, technology in weapons (or anything for that matter) advance at an accelerating rate. To suggest the Continental Congress could not plan past their own generation is preposterous.


EDIT: H. G. Wells wrote about landing on the moon half a century before it happened. HG Wells had more foresight than the framers?

Fair enough

I'll admit it's poorly written or edited...

Original Text

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

Final (illegible) Text

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

People tend to bypass the 'well regulated part' and just see 'right of the people to keep and bear arms.' That's really my beef. Focus law on regulating: education, licensing, etc. It's bullshit the background check part didn't pass.

It's the only amendment that involves the right to a specific material item. And I do believe that Congress did not foresee what is happening now. It happened all throughout history. It happens now for crying out loud, with intelligent people. I could say ten million things that happen now and they'd be blown away at the time. If they lived now and seen the pace of change that happens in the present time with all the documentation and communications ability we have available, it'd be different. If I told Newton (maybe the smartest person ever) about what we think gravity really is, he'd lose his shit.


edit: I meant in the Bill of Rights, the OG amendments

You're saying an AR-15 is a greater advancement from the Brown Bess, than the Brown Bess was from the crossbow?

And when writing the admendment they said, 'Say old friend, you know we're not fighting with archers anymore? We could never possibly fight with something more powerful than this tedious flintlock? If only a cartridge could contain the primer, powder, and bullet to expedite the reloading process? Oh my, that will never happen!'

The Constitution simply doesn't say that people have the right to an AR-15. It takes a very wide interpretation to arrive at that point IMO.

It's fine if people believe they should have an AR-15, but that's not the same thing.

This gets to gun control near the end, but it's all good.

http://youtu.be/qgTiy2DP6SI

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

The Constitution simply doesn't say that people have the right to an AR-15.

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That's the point. It does not state an exception for any specific arm, be it flintlock, bayonet, cartridge, (paper ones were around), cannon, etc. yet it does say 'shall not be infringed.' Which, with no exceptions named, can be interpreted to include any and all arms.

So again, if they wanted to restrain against certain arms, it would be stated. It's not mentioned once, not even in previous versions.