The Obama Presidency

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Originally Posted by Othello Harrington

Yeah, we'll see if you're still singing that "let everybody fail hard man" tune when you actually have a career and a family and are told "fuck yourself, we failed" and sent out on the street.

You're more proof in the "IF you don't have any idea of what you're talking about, you always go democrat" theory.

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You realize he's supporting the Republicans on that issue right?

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Originally Posted by Thief Silver

You realize he's supporting the Republicans on that issue right?

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Not really Thief, republicans were for the bailout of the auto industry, just ask Bush, you retard.

And Republicans are against this bailout, at least I would think true, free market republicans are, not the "Only when it helps me" republicans.

I honestly don't know where I stand with the Bailout, what Drew says is a very serious part of it, but that doesn't mean it won't work. Either way there would be a position of "Well what if we had..." instead if this doesn't work. And for all we know it would have failed anyways.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

The problem is there's no way to ensure it actually WORKS and may just be trying to save a sinking ship by dumping buckets of water out the side

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I think that may be the case. Yeah, we don't sink as fast, but we're still getting there. I also understand the complicated dynamics and domino effect that could happen from letting certain institutions fail, do we solve it by further complicating the ties between all those places? When the government throws money at this and absorbs bad businesses, bad investments, and buffers bad decision making, it now becomes ALL of our problems. We all basically own bad debt that none of us had a say in making.

A "let them fail" solution is harsh, but so is the prospect of generating the highest volume of debt ever for the US on what are toxic assets, and to what end? So people can keep jobs, so other institutions won't die in the windfall? Is that really worth putting such a high burden on every single citizen, regardless of whether or not they were part of the problem to begin with?

If I was an expert (an economist, not an elected official) maybe I could provide even more possible solutions. I hope more come too, but if they come from people like politicians with no experience in running business or economics, then we're in for a really bad and bumpy ride.

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Originally Posted by Shooting Love

his buddies in Congress made 8 years of Republican decisions?

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When did this mythical 8 years of Republicans controlling the budget happen?

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Originally Posted by Hero

Everyone keeps crying that the bill has to pass yesterday before our economy is further doomed, yet no real economic spending in it starts til '10-'11. So what's the big sense of urgency for really? It's to rob taxpayers blind while the carpet is swept up from under them. Super.

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Don't forget the part where Obama didn't sign the bill after it was passed because he was "busy", aka there weren't enough cameras present wherever the fuck he was to go for his typical PR bullshit.

Yoshi really lives in his own little world.

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Originally Posted by bbobb

Yoshi really lives in his own little world.

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A world shared with Rush can in no way be considered little.

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Originally Posted by AaronChance

A world shared with Rush can in no way be considered little.

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Its still little, but rush cramps his living space, so he's usually pretty annoyed by the time he logs onto tnl. I wonder if people who never change the channel off fox own a tv remote?

I haven't listened to Rush since the Clinton administration, but keep trying. When you'd like to join me in reality, feel free.