The Obama Presidency

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

Sure, it started with the repeal of Glass-Steagal and the Graham Bliley Leach Act, but Bush signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, no?

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Since he took office in 2001, I am guessing not.

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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

Furthermore, you cannot have a country with entitlements and have no way to pay for them. "Cut taxes but keep my social security check coming!" Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

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Correct. Cut the social programs to the bone and make 99% of people take care of themselves. Not a child or handicapped? Fuck you. You'd have to grandfather the elderly (pun not intended) for some period of time too.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

The healthcare reform bill, as is, is not a step in the right direction. It's a half assed attempt to placate the healthcare issue without ever addressing the actual problems you're faced with now (aside from being denied) and enduring you to the Pharmaceuticals. In the grand scheme of things a healthcare bill is a lot less skeevy than a huge needless/pointless war. But two wrongs don't make a right.

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I don't think anyone on this board would argue that the health care bill is a good bill. But most sane people realize that something needs to be done after insurance rates skyrocketed over the past 10 years. The problem is that one party wants to pass legislation and the other would prefer to ignore the issue altogether, and did just that for the past 20 out of 30 years they were in power

This is typical Democratic symbolism over substance. When you can't do the right thing, just do something, regardless of cost, because your voters are too stupid to see the difference before you are out of office.

republicans are pretty useless.

I still can't go to the gun shop and get a machine gun.

They like the patriot act.

Really, fuck them and their religious positive freedom.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

This is typical Democratic symbolism over substance. When you can't do the right thing, just do something, regardless of cost, because your voters are too stupid to see the difference before you are out of office.

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Or you know, it could be trying even when you know you're fucked. It could be that whole american ideal, where we try even when we know we will fail. Why, because trying is the right thing to do.

Stop sucking dick Yoshi. You can't chew gum and talk at the same time.

fucking fag "wah, wah, it can't be perfect the first time. Lets piss ourselves and sit on our hands. wah, wah, wah."

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

Correct. Cut the social programs to the bone and make 99% of people take care of themselves. Not a child or handicapped? Fuck you. You'd have to grandfather the elderly (pun not intended) for some period of time too.

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I believe in universal health care. I'll gladly pay for it. I don't want to retire and have to worry about my health. I don't want adults going into crushing debt because of a illness he or she was born with. I believe health care is a fundamental right the state should provide for its citizens not as a business. I don't think anyone's life, including yours, should come with a price tag.

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

...is auditing the Fed for the first time ever...

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He is?

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Originally Posted by daveisok

I don't think anyone on this board would argue that the health care bill is a good bill. But most sane people realize that something needs to be done after insurance rates skyrocketed over the past 10 years. The problem is that one party wants to pass legislation and the other would prefer to ignore the issue altogether, and did just that for the past 20 out of 30 years they were in power

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

This is typical Democratic symbolism over substance. When you can't do the right thing, just do something, regardless of cost, because your voters are too stupid to see the difference before you are out of office.

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Except Obama tried to do that and the Repubs neutered it to the shriveled up little dick it is now. The original bill was a universally better bill. Idiot politics gets in the way, again.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

I still can't go to the gun shop and get a machine gun.

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What reason would any person need a machine gun for in day to day life? I'm so sick of the "just because I can" mentality that's rampant in this country. Lawyers don't help the issue either with people suing for the most absurd of things "just because they can."

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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

I believe in universal health care. I'll gladly pay for it. I don't want to retire and have to worry about my health. I don't want adults going into crushing debt because of a illness he or she was born with. I believe health care is a fundamental right the state should provide for its citizens not as a business. I don't think anyone's life, including yours, should come with a price tag.

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The main issue is that pricing is so far out of whack for anything relating to the health field. I worked as an assistant in a microbiology lab for a number of years and had the pleasure of looking through the books we ordered our supplies from. The plastic disposable loops we used to plant specimens (think plastic stick that puts the urine sample on a petri dish if you aren't familiar) would come a couple thousand in a box. They were priced close to $1 a piece. This is for a piece of plastic that is used once and thrown out. It's purpose in life is to last about 5 seconds. So everyone in line has to upcharge accordingly. And on and on it goes.