The Obama Presidency

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Originally Posted by dave is ok

No one was afraid of Pineapple's Bush.

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Your mom certainly wasn't.

I heard you were though.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Depends on the region. The heart and initial soul of the tea party movement was about fair impartial government and anti-lobbying. It's been usurped in the past 6 months to a year by Republican agendas. Which wasn't the intended point, and still isn't depending on who's running the tea party campaign. They started when Bush was in office well before Obama took the crown.

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The "tea party movement" probably started with Ron Paul's GOP primary, but it's been getting astroturfed since that folded in mid-2008. By the time Obama was sworn in, you had professional shill Rick Santelli make that phony sanctimonious speech on CNBC (about mortgage bailouts - bailouts designed to help regular folks keep their homes, and proposed long after the banksters got their free money), and Fox News was promoting the rallies, it's been organized and run by the big time GOP boys. Let's not kid ourselves, it's been fake longer than it's been legit.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Hero: Dave and Diff are right. People being "afraid" of America never happened. Except maybe if you lived an honest life in Iran or Afghanistan.

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The one concrete thing accomplished through "fear of Bush" was push the remaining members of the "axis of evil" towards nuclear weapon production.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

The "tea party movement" probably started with Ron Paul's GOP primary, but it's been getting astroturfed since that folded in mid-2008. By the time Obama was sworn in, you had professional shill Rick Santelli make that phony sanctimonious speech on CNBC (about mortgage bailouts - bailouts designed to help regular folks keep their homes, and proposed long after the banksters got their free money), and Fox News was promoting the rallies, it's been organized and run by the big time GOP boys. Let's not kid ourselves, it's been fake longer than it's been legit.

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I agree. By and large the movement has been coerced. However I still read and hear about legit conferences in Texas (of all places).

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The one concrete thing accomplished through "fear of Bush" was push the remaining members of the "axis of evil" towards nuclear weapon production.

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Iran being in the axis of evil is horseshit as far as I'm concerned. Ahmadinejad has said he will accept pre-processed uranium delivered by the French. This uranium cannot be used or reverse engineered to make weapons in any way, so the concerns about Iran proliferating nuclear weapons would be null. They just want it to power their country in an efficient manner. How do you think this went over? Bad science to the rescue.

Also have any of you heard Jesse Ventura's voting idea of "none of the above"? Probably the simplest and most potent political point of view I've ever heard. Him and Oliver Stone were on King last night talking about how Hugo Chavez and Venezuela were not at all the monsters big media were totting they were (the government line).

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Also have any of you heard Jesse Ventura's voting idea of "none of the above"? Probably the simplest and most potent political point of view I've ever heard.

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Hasn't some European countries already put that into practice.


I wouldn't mind that idea. But what do you do when both options suck? Keep the old one?

Go Democratic to keep the existing works in motion until a leader is crowned. Meaning a Democratic vote system. I'd pull in the Governors for it as well as the GOP and DEM top seeds.

Just checking in to see if Obama is catching shit for doing nothing about the oil spill yet.
Is he?

Haven't seen it yet on the Daily Show, so I'm guessing no.