The Obama Presidency

Who said anything about racist?

That's the other automatic that CNN and MSNBC like to label every Tea Party voter.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Responding to both of Fe and Drew,

If professionals would take pay cuts, we would alleviate most if not all of the effects of a depression, at the VERY least take a HUGE chunk out of the unemployment that comes with it. "Sticky" or inelastic wages are pretty much. My argument is that, the janitor in fact, IS worthwhile, or a more efficient company would simply not hire the janitor.

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I don't disagree. But most companies AREN'T efficient. I personally love the democratic approach to business. Once I have full-time employee's I fully intend on mirroring the Alvarado Street Bakery style of management where everyone gets a vote and has elected representatives with transparency on how the company is run. There are interpersonal reasons people get hired and fired. In an ideal world it wouldn't be like that, but most people buckle under pressure.

On a side note I did come to know that bakery I mentioned through Michael Moore's Capitalism: A Love Story (a movie I did not enjoy overall). I am hardly a socialist, but I am not against limited socialism for the good of society. Overall though, the best examples of this movie were democratic AND capitalistic -- the Alvarado Bakery utilized an open market fluctuation to determine wages. And everyone in the company made on average like 65k or something (like... even line workers).

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For Fe: That is exactly what I am saying. Because the janitor, HR staff, and secretaries make life more enjoyable, they in fact are adding a positive benefit as far as productivity goes. I was going a bit farther and saying, by nature of having an enjoyable environment, you can pay your employee's less than you would have to for similar results without the enjoyable environment. Companies are in it to win it, Janitors and such have probably proven to be overall useful in hitting the bottom line. The only reason I can see them cyclically going (if this is even true) is that they are used as a form of pay cut. Since professionals don't take kindly to pay cuts, cutting the work atmosphere is essentially the same thing as reduced wages. I hadn't thought about it until this conversation, but it is a rather ingenious way of dealing with wage inelasticity.

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The problem is making life enjoyable isn't an option when your ship is taking on water and you need to lighten your load. And that's what we're REALLY talking about. There is only a limited amount higher-ups can come down before it becomes unreasonable (I would say a better approach is to question why most companies have SO MANY "higher ups" in the first place. Often times many cling ons could be jettisoned with little effect)

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

how in the fuck did cali not legalize pot, but pass a bill that doesn't require businesses to be transparent when they make political contributions?

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Because Democrats were too depressed to vote in their usual numbers this year?

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Or because when push comes to shove Democrats are not really the cartoon version of progressives they're made out to be. If Democrats got in office and legalized gay marriage, abortion and weed they'd back up their big talk. The one thing you have to give Republicans is they organize well. That's leadership, and as we've seen over the past 10 years - success.

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Originally Posted by Bojack

Defend what lower taxes? Isn't that what peeps like you beat off to? Shouldn't you be applauding this?

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Because only GM is getting it, and not the entire auto-industry? GM can make less money than Ford and still come out ahead. That's COMPLETELY unfair market practice. And you're sitting here acting as if it's a positive tax cut from daddy government? Fuck that. Give it to Toyota, Ford and anyone else creating cars on American soil and it's an amazing idea.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

They're also the ones that have paid taxes for 40 years. Taxes should be an investment. You should get something out of what you put in.

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I pay mine, too. Should my wants be ignored because Johnny Won't Die wants more money to horde away?

1. :lol: @ Johnny Won't Die

2. It's "hoard." Horde is a side in WoW.

3. You're, what, late-20s? What the hell needs do you have? You're likely healthy and able to work, so the ball's in your court.

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I would buy a gold toilet if I could.

BALLIN'

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I guess the black Tea Party followers are racist too, right?

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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

I would buy a gold toilet if I could.

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I was thinking the very same thing. Maybe put some diamonds on the back bowl.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I think you grossly overestimate how many of them there are first of all. I also like how you lump every single one together. I guess the black Tea Party followers are racist too, right?

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Technically you're right. There is diversity amongst latin, black and other ethnic groups in the Tea Party. The Tea Party ORIGINALLY began as a small libertarian movement bitching about Bush, and later, Obama. It wasn't formalized until Obama came in to power because that's REALLY when the "disenfranchised" Republican based became vocal. The Tea Party had no REAL affiliation until then. Anybody could start and organize a Tea Party for ANY cause (Democratic, even, as happened in Flint Michigan in 2007). But once the Republican base infused itself with the Tea Party brand the core ideals were over run by anti-Democrat sentiment (and Obama).

Originally it was anti-two party system and globalization, primarily. But it's hard to say now that it's anything more than Republican 2.0. Usurped by Republicans to rebrand themselves after Bush's trouncing of American freedoms.