Pot, meet kettle.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
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Pot, meet kettle.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
No Icarus jaded failures with bad attitudes are a joke.
You fail because nobody likes you, see your facebook fiasco foe an example of how not to be thought of by peers.
Having parents that push you towards success is a pretty nice "silver spoon" if you ask me.
Some people don't have that luxury, and it's a shame.
Roughly 1/2 of my peers grew up middle class or below and they are doing fine.
Stop making excuses for everything libs. Sometimes humans just plain old fail ya know :)
They're not at some extreme disadvantage that places them in such a position that it is no longer even possible to succeed though. That's complete rubbish that icarusfall would have everyone believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
My point was that it's a nice advantage to have.
Not that people without it are hopeless.
No doubt that it's a nice advantage. But it's not such a great advantage that those who have it (and those who didn't but worked to have a meaningful life) should have to close the entire gap between them and those that didn't have that advantage and failed to make something of themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Are you really trying to talk about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
I like icarusfall. He's good people.
Messageboard does not equal real life, stallion.
Never had somebody bury me intentionally like you have.
Now I don't know if it was a bad family life, bad breaks in life itself, or that you're just plain lazy and opinionated...but you really really don't get it. All you do is judge and hate here, and going by what examples you bring here, you do the same IRL.And what scares the hell out of me is you'll pass this onto your children if you have them. Well this and drone music are tied.
Hey I push real hard because I can look at my life and minus a few bumps, I've always done the right thing. Can you?
Come on dude, your grammar and spelling is really that bad? At the very least, make sure you don't write like that while you're talking about uneducated people, it makes you look ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
No one is arguing for communism here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
I think most reasonable people just want a health care option for when shit hits the fan, as opposed to assuming the ultra-lib socialist role that biff seems to so constantly label people and ask for a million handouts.
Well since you don't know the rest of the story let me shine some light on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Our training director called my GM out of curiosity - not in some sabotage way. She had assumed they already were aware that I was looking for a new gig and wanted to ask them about it. She called and apologized to me for not just contacting me first and for creating that shit storm out of nothing. I talked with all management later that week and everything is fine. I'm still leaving to go to my new job with better pay, but my reference holds great.
As for only coming here to hate and opinionate.. Yeah. That's what I do. It's what I've been doing for 10 years here. It works just fine. Do it for the lulz.
Also: Way to assume facts not in evidence.
Fuck universal health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
I'd prefer to save the money and go uninsured. I'm a healthy enough individual for this to be an economically sound decision. I do not want the government to make the decision for me.
*shrug*
Different priorities i guess.
While I am too risk averse to go without health insurance, I am 100% for individual rights and responsibility. People should get to choose where their money goes and then be responsible for the consequences. If Rich rolls snake eyes and gets cancer while assuming he is bullet proof to save a few bucks, fuck him. Thin the herd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
And my priority is ignored when the government decides to force me to purchase health care be it with required health care like is in place in MA or with universal health care where it comes out of my taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Systems like the system in MA should be in place but without a mandate requiring the insurance. Insurance should be allowed to be sold across state lines, and like the system in MA, there should be places that show you every option available. (think travelocity for health insurance) I would support this. It will get affordable health care to most everyone. Add some restraints on the insurance companies, and bam, we don't need some fucking french socialist system that fucks all but the middle class.
I agree. I would only be willing to go uninsured through my 20s, perhaps my early 30s. And that would become moot once an employer helps out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
If my decision wound up fucking me in the ass, then yeah, it would fucking suck, but it was a risk I was willing to take and in the long run with a large sample, it'd likely be the sound decision.
Using similar logic, I just took the cheapest coverage my company offered through my 20s, so I can relate.
I've always opted for the highest level coverage due to shoulder surgeries (a lot) and family history of heart conditions. I don't have one and have had 3 surgeries in the 12 years I've been paying in. They have profited off me, much like my car insurance, and I don't mind.
I don't want to be treated like civilian #2365OH73 and processed like it's 1984.
I like the idea of personal responsibility. I may not be able to afford health insurance right this moment, but with a new job coming up that can change. It's just a matter of shifting priorities and making sacrifices. While buying less movies/games/books/whatever seems like a bummer, it's a small trade compared to getting some dental work, eye checkups, or physical therapy for the drawing hand. These things I know I need, but I don't think I have a right to them.
It's not a matter of 'having a right to it' for me. It's that as a whole we can make the country better for everyone. Why would we not be willing to throw a few bucks to help our fellow man with something as necessary as healthcare?
I am, which is why I donate significantly to Duke Children's Hospital and the Animal Protection Society of Durham. I believe in better care for kids and animals, since they cannot help themselves.
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Originally Posted by icarusfall
I would challenge frog, icarus, and yellow to take their blue blood over to a VA to see how a "social healthcare system" really operates.
Perhaps instead of hiding under the typical blue "itelligent front" perhaps that would peek out and notice a failure of epic proporitions.
B-grade grad students, retired 65 year old doctors, shit nurses, and 15 year old equipment is what they would see. Don't believe the hype, take a stroll. This is socialized healthcare ladies and gentlemen.
If I'm 21 and smart, I'm focusing on business or international relations right now, not medicine.
Everyone is a kid sometime.
I totally agree with this... or become a vet instead of a doctor for humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Motherfucker I know more about the VA than you could possibly imagine. My father has been getting treatment there for MS and trigeminal neuralgia since before I was born. Last October he had a heart attack and was in there for months recovering. I've been involved with it for my entire life. Without it my father would be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
And I'm well aware of what you're getting at with this. The problem is that the VA is the forgotten stepchild of the nation. No one wants to fund it or give it the attention it deserves. Much like our elderly, we forget about our soldiers as soon as they're not useful to us anymore.
So ny agreeing you call me a motherfucker? Cool, I motherfucking think this is how the motherfucking future will be for healthcare, motherfucker. You ever seen one motherfucking happy motherfucking government employee who wasn't in the motherfucking house, senate, or whitehouse? Yeah me either.
To me, it's about the reoccurring generational conditioning of society. We continue to tell everyone that no one can make it on their own without help. Or that we're too stupid to understand what is best for ourselves. Or that we're entitled to certain things regardless of what we put into this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
For me that's the caveat to the whole debate. If we were teaching each generation to strive for success regardless of the odds, or to be accountable for one's actions, I don't think there would be a need for a catch-all system in the guise of bettering mankind. We'd already be doing it due to self-perpetuating ethos - that we want mankind to be better off and thus do what we can of our own free will.
That's such a high-minded idea that so many feel impossible due to reality. Although reality has only been shaped as it is due to our own inability to take our selves to task and be responsible for ourselves. Then to take that ideology and pass it along to those we help and the generations we leave behind.
Or in a counter point: I think it's much more beneficial to put the money I'd pay into a health program to help out a family member or friend who suffers as you've pointed out. There are two reasons to this - I care deeply for those in my life and am more likely to be very involved in helping. Also, it makes easier to hold them accountable. How easy is it to hold accountable a nameless, faceless number that may very well be using your help to perpetuate their continued escape from responsibility?
You may think "what about doing what's best for everyone?" Well, the beauty in "selfish" charity is that you may do it for only the things/people you care about, but people as a whole care about so many different things. And since it's "selfish" you're more likely to be involved in the process, more invested to hold people accountable, and more heartfelt in your efforts. Breaking it down to a nationalized federal system takes away all those things and makes it something that comes out of your paycheck. Regardless of results, regardless of your feelings on the matter...with that kind of "like it or lump it" conditioning, it's easier to become apathetic to it all. Which means it's easier for a very few people to make very large decisions "for the good of the people" with only personal ambitions and biases as the compass to steer the whole thing.
I'd much rather let my conscious decide where my money goes, not someone else's. And when I have kids, I'll teach them this brand of selfish charity that continues to emphasize the importance of helping your fellow man, but never at the cost of your own freedom or accountability.
Very, very well said.
I for one sir, have been to a BMV. I do not want to bring the BMV experience into my annual checkup.
Is this because working as a vet isn't as controlled as the human practice is? If so I'm noticing a striking pattern: the more controlled an industry is by government, the less incentive a person has to become a part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Do you not know how to read? I'm praising the work the VA does. I'm saddened that we let some of their facilities/patients rot because we'd rather forget about them than take care of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
I've spent more time in VA's talking with patients, doctors, and administrators about how it all works (and visiting people) than anyone here. I guarantee it. But you want to talk about how you think you know what/how it is? How often are you down there hanging out between golf games? And all that dog rescue work you do? And all the posting on here at your super hard job? And all those hours you 'work' at your super hard job? And following all the sports? And all the other shit you do? But you're going to come around here and act like no one else could imagine what something is like because we have leftist views? You don't know what you're talking about beyond what you've overheard other people saying or heard on the news. You're not down there getting dirty to find out why you think this way. You're perfectly happy to let someone else do the investigating. And that's fine, but don't act like you have some leg up on insight.
Hero, you get it.
You bring healthcare into the sphere of control of the government, and you subject youself to drab buildings, B-rate personel, and a horribly operated multi-level shithouse called "federal operations"...*shudders
Are lobotomies for doctors part of this healtcare plan? Why do people think our doctors are going to be less qualified as a result of this? And why is exciting wallpaper now a concern of yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
It really is as if your concept of federal healthcare is a cartoon rather than a rational construction of any kind. Do all the doctors talk like Ben Stein in your version too?
If other countries can pull it off, so can we.
Just kidding, there's no way we can pull off a system like that given our current infrastructure.
I like how Americans only have two feelings about their country: Extreme patriotism, or utter distrust. We have the greatest country in the world that can't do a single thing right.
I wouldn't for one minute argue with what you've seen or know about the VA system. My grandpa, before he passed, was in and out of hospitals, sent to crappy nursing homes that didn't do a lick of shit for him, and ultimately he passed away at home among family and friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
Looking back we did much more for him than anyone in the nursing home did. We had an at-home hospice worker whom we pried every bit of knowledge so we could do stuff too. When she wasn't around we took shifts watching him, taking care of him, turning him in bed...it's still hard to think about.
Although he eventually passed, he was never happier during all of that than when we were a part of the process. In the hospitals he was still in fighting form, and though through gross negligence of the nursing homes, was still in better spirits when he came home and was watched over.
I only bring this up because while I may not agree with you on procedure, it doesn't mean I don't care. Nor does it mean I don't agree with you in what we'd like to world to look like. It's just a matter of getting there that I feel so strongly about. That helping my grandpa positively affected the quality of care he received over someone who's only obvious impetus was their career or paycheck.
At least I hope so. Cross my fingers, pray, and hope so.
Which is why I try not to look at things in a left or right approach. Instead look at the set of values I have and hold to be right and measure the possible solutions to each problem against those. If it fits, then great; if it compromises something, not so much. It's only a matter of time and compromise in anything before realizing you're not living for yourself or your ideas, just towing someone else's line.
well, I come from two generations of doctors. But because of the things the government has already done to medicine, I'm not going into it. The government has ruined being a doctor and running your own practice in MS. Sure, you still get the satisfaction of helping people, but at what cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
The government has ended a legacy. I'm sure many other people feel the same way and won't be going into it.
Pretty much. Everyone keep paying your taxes and sending it to MS. The gov is doing a great job with your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
money won't fix thisQuote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
which used to be? after WW2 where the rich paid something like 75% of their income in taxes? Or how about before we became a country and we were owned by the British?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
WHEN WAS THIS MAGICAL GOLDEN AGE, YOU ASSHOLE?
ughQuote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Yeah, but in other countries there's also evidence of longer waiting lines. Which would be a fine sacrifice if being seen for a cold. For things like major surgeries and whatnot, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
And for what frog said - I don't think a skilled doctor would be less so given a change in infrastructure. Although if he his hands were tied in red tape, he may as well be. Also I'd find it hard to imagine that there would be incentive for generations of the best and brightest to come to continue investing interest in medicine if medicine were handled federally. Call it a guess or a hunch.
Aside: Anyone else find it creepy that there's talk of "preventative lifestyles while backing lifesaving procedures?" That to essentially make sure that say, diabetic care on the critical end wouldn't break the bank is to socially engineer it so that people's behaviors don't skew to diabetes? It makes sense but also requires that people are again being told what to do, what to eat, what to think, yada yada.
Do what now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
When were you born? The day before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Frog, the best customer service people in the world do not work for the government. Neither do the best scientists, or the greatest minds.
You are not only being absurd, but also a moron if you're really trying to sell me that there will be noticable drop in the quality of healthcare within 10 years.
The cream of the crop will eject for the middle east, china, and resort locations asap.
The current group of incumbents left will learn they will be taking a large salary cut and increased workload for the good of the people. This won't bode well for you're ingrown toenail, trust me.
The youth will align with more profitable skill sets leaving us with a few diamonds in a sea of coal.
There is little to no doubt this will happen. If you want to regulate insurance and extend medicare to the poor as well as the elderly, so be it. But don't bring me a lump of shit and call it gold.
Reminds me of what someone said once, "America is such a great country. Too bad it's run by Americans."Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Seriously, in what part of your deluded brain do you think our 60% foreign imported doctors will stay here to toil for equal or less money then they can make back home?
Jesus man, you use to be good.
Universal healthcare will not lower the pay for doctors on average. Many will make more. Certain very highly paid people will probably make less, but on average it goes up, believe it or not. Also some people come here for our superior medical schools, which will not change, or because they want to start a life here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
They used to before the Christian anti-science revolution. Remember a little something called the Manhattan Project? Now half the country thinks we live on a giant turtle's back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
I also like how you said equal or less. As if what they're making right now isn't enough for them to come here even though it is.
Oh is this 1950 again? LOLS at same pay. Now cheeks came from docs, so did I, there is no "same pay" once Uncle Sam steps in.
I have placed two uppercuts to your head here, you're really close to going down and I love it. You don't get this, you haven't really read up on it, and it's really amusing to the 1% whom actually have.
Let's move on, you're killing my sides, beaver.
What the fuck is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Firstblood stay the fuck out of it.
So let's move on the medical school. Hmmm, are we going to bind them is a government contract to keep them here? 50% already leave after fellowship, that number moves to 70-80 if we socialize.
Oh yeah, I forgot India above, home of the fastest growing middle class in the country. Wonder how many of our top 10% care specialists in the US are Indian? 50%?70% they go bye bye right off the git.
Like when you talked some shit about knowing about the VA a few posts ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Also: You don't get to call when your arguments are effective. Other people do.
Holy fuck are you terrible.
No I'll feel free to call you out on typing the dumbest fucking horseshit ever on this god damn forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Seriously, HERE'S-A MY ONE-TWO PUNCH OF DEBATE WOOOOO!
So refute me. You can't on the VA stud, had a granpa go through that shit.
And somehow as I said before, I doubt you've done half the shit you claim. You just love to be an antagonist.
I'm done with this debate. I hammer out 15 points and all I get back are 1950's nostalgia and personal attacks.
I don't need somebody to pat me on the back to know you guys are clueless on how this situation would fall out.
I'm a chef and my dad was sick once. Therefore I am qualified to perfer my experience over you with your doctoral parenting and being raised in said environment.
Do you ever realize how foolish you sound?
Let me save you the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icarus
I'm sorry that metaphorical speech is above your pay grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Man, it would also appear with this empirical evidence presented above that you are just trolling here instead of being productive. Hmmm, weird.
Yeah, talking like a fake-ass Muhammad Ali is above my level. Get the fuck over yourself.
And neither of them have connected. If we implemented a competent single payer healthcare system, it would not negatively affect doctor pay. There's no reason for it to. The fact is a huge number of doctors right now are being underpaid and have to deal with a lot of bullshit from treating the uninsured, dealing with insurance companies and actually getting paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
The doctors at the top will make a bit less, and the doctors at the bottom will make considerably more, but there will still be a stratification of pay rates, incentives to excel, and more money coming in.
Now that said, what congress is doing is fucking retarded, where they're trying to find a way to do this with no tax increase. That's fucking moronic. It's going to cost money, the object is just to make sure it costs less money than what we pay into it right now. So yes, I am stipulating that we're talking about a responsible health plan and not some kind of political appeasement or grandstanding.
I've heard a few researchers discussing this very myth you brought up on the radio recently. I'm digging for a print form right now, but it might have to wait until I finish my work for the day.
Firstblood's steps to debating Biff;
1) Find a topic Biff is speaking on.
2)Ignore topic or inject small point which may or may not be on topic.
3) Wait for Biff to focus on intelligent opponent.
4) Inject various personal attacks, wait for back pats.
5) ???????
6) Profits
indeed.
Biff's steps for debating anyone:
1) Bullshit without any facts
2) Bullshit about how awesome your bullshit is
3) Masturbate into mirror
4) Repeat
no it's really more like
1. Find Biff posting retarded shit.
2. Point out Biff's retarded post
Done.
I definitely love to be an antagonist, but anything I've ever claimed to have done is true. I may be a troll, but I am posting how I feel/act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Go ahead and act like there's no way anyone else could have an opinion more informed than yours through their own personal experience. You try to act like everything to everyone on here. You're a flat out liar. I volunteer at the dog rescue all the time. I put in 70 hour weeks. My parents didn't give me a cent for college. I worked in the Peace Corp (or whatever the fuck you were talking that one time). I stack paper to the ceiling. I know how the common man struggles. Ballin in college. Semipro ball. The list goes on and on. I'll even bet you have done a few of the things you say. But the one time you put in a few volunteer hours doesn't make you an expert on the subject. The one time your parents didn't pay for something doesn't give you the right to talk about how you know how the man keeps you down.
You either are, or you aren't
- and you most certainly aren't.
Also: Way to go looking foolish whenever I put you in a corner regarding a personal story of mine. I HAVE THIS OPINION ABOUT RAPE. I was raped and maybe my opinion carries more weight. NO, YOU'RE A LIAR.
I KNOW ALL ABOUT THE VA FAGS My dad has spent months on end in VA's for my entire life and maybe I know what I'm talking about. NO FAG, YOU"RE LYING - YOU HAVE TO BE SINCE YOU'RE MORE INFORMED THAN ME AND THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
Eat mountains of dick shrugging your way to the end. You're the worst douche on this board. EVEN DOUCHIER THAN RAZOR OR RICH.
A cancer.
A failure.
You're worthless.
I hope you can feel the venom I have for you through this post, because I'm trying as hard as I can.
get a job
I have a job.
Fair enough, they still failed to correct the issue. Perhaps Clinton didn't know it was going to back fire so badly, that's just speculation of course but the end result is that even with a Republican (IIRC) majority congress they (Bush or McCain) still couldn't get the loop holes and shitty legislation fixed. Ergo it's not appropriate to try and lay it all on Bill. He's an easy ass right wing scapegoat (just as Bush is an easy scapegoat for pussy libs) but real blame would lie with congress wayyyy before it lay with the president for nearly all matters including this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
This also assumes that simple over lending to subprime borrowers was the main culprit instead of predatory lending to turn around and sell shitty packaged mortgages. Then have these mortgages get sent all over the planet under the assumption that assets backed by ARM mortgages and various other real estate lending chicannery were good bets all the while the shits collecting the fees and wayyyyyy too many years of absurdly low interest rates all around so every jack off with a pulse could by a half million dollar house w/ no income/credit checks to try and flip the shit for loads of profit three months after purchase to hideously inflate home values to make them unaffordable for half the population etc etc etc.
The whole housing mess had many many many culprits. It is inappropriate to lay sole blame on any one whether they be or have been President or not.
I dunno about anyone else but I feel the biggest threat to America is the power and publicity the president gets that lets congress do horrible shit and hardly any one notices or says anything while the current prez takes the heat.
LOL at Icarus.
What is it you said? Like gays bees to semen flavored honey?
I ain't, brother! If you were an old man who just got back from China and you were accused of breaking into your own house, you'd be cranky too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Now, a very good point was raised on that radio machine, that disrespecting a cop is dangerous for the cop when he or she needs to be in a position of authority. What no one mentions is that the popo in question actually taught a class on cop discrimination. It's sticky business between two people who were used to getting respect from people around them! Which account is to be taken as what really happened?
It would be rather funny if an old black Harvard professor was making "Yo momma" jokes.
Back to healthcare; my main problem is pre-existing conditions and the ability to drop your ass at convenience. Having to fight with your insurance provider over a possible life-threatening condition is stupid. No, it's stupid. Then tell me about how it's okay when you try to switch companies. Oh, but you have a pre-existing condition. Guess what! You're fucked! Is that okay?
Semen flavored honey sounds gross, but honey flavored semen could be marketable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
No one believes you have a MASTER PLAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
HAY!
Also! i really like the idea of Mobama sitting down with Gates and Crowley. Yaw, it's all pr, but it's still fun to think about. What if i got in a fight with someone and then the president said i was stupid and then it turned out it was more complicated than that and he called me up and said, "Sorry for calling you an idiot, bro, let's sit down and drink alcohol." yeah. i am going to invite Mobama and G-dub to my house to smoke blunts.
This is the name of the first gay president. BECAUSE I SAID SO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
This sounds like it came from Real Time With Bill Maher. A bible-thumping "anti-science" revolution didn't kill scientific innovation in America; our entitled consumer culture did, which is why we keep lowering the bar for what we expect people to do for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I agree with Spo on this point.
I'm not an anti-religion guy, you know this, but the Christian conservatives in politics have really tried to stunt the teaching of science in schools, the funding of science by government, and the general stature with which scientists are regarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
Yes, but they've always failed. They preach to the choir, and they inspire a pro-science backlash far larger than their own movement. The problem is that nobody wants to study math and science anymore, because everyone nowadays is raised believing they're The Most Important Person That Ever Lived, and that they were born entitled to everything the world has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...0&d=1205191627Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
You don't get it. The public system has longer waiting times, but there is still the private system with negligible waiting times if you wish to pay for it. It basically means, if you can afford private health care you're not going to see any difference in your care; if you can't, well you're going from never getting surgery to having to wait for surgery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
I've worked in both types of health care. In private my boss was a business manager who knew SHIT ALL about Oncology (business degree from shit university) and who's main concern was throughput of cases that can be billed; in the public system my boss is an Oncologist (internationally experienced and published) and the main concern is utilisation of hospital resources. We do so many things that a private centre wouldn't do because it would not be profitable for them.
Except if you decide to utilize private health care, you will in effect be paying twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroBlue
Like private schools, right?
like pirate schools
This thread is hilarious. Good job everyone.
No, because private hospitals (like private schools) get funding/subsidization from the government. But yes, you will have to pay more tax so your country has a humane standard of care for all its residents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
You keep saying this, but do you have any sources to back it up? Are you just quoting a hypothetical study or is this the believed result of the health care system that the current administration is working towards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Because right now, our government run health care pays doctors less. It pays 35$ for a 75$ visit and 50 cents for a 5$ shot.
What reason do you have to believe that this is going to get better with Oboma? Have I not read something?
to be fair to biff, most of your posting on this board follows that format. You rarely contribute anything of worth. You just nitpick post. How about your rise above the shit and make good post like Frog?Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Please stop saying that. It makes you look stupid and is offensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
ain't that the truth. Even though my dad is a big ole evil doctor with money shooting from his nose, he's had to deal with it. When he was fighting cancer he came damn close to being kicked off his insurance. It should be outlawed to kicked people off their insurance for any reason if they have been paying for over five years. Its a sad day when the company you've paid for years to watch out for you in that one time of need, trys to fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
no, actually the super fundies are to blame for that, at least in part. They've worked very hard to degrade the respect that experts get. Because of them, now everyone's opinion matters. Because of fundies, the words opinion and theory mean the same thing to the average dumbass on the street. They've made the country think that everyone has an opinion of equal worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoDaddy
But you are partially right. There is an increasing lack of respect for intelligence right now. As a country, we hate smart people and we hate passionate people. Even on this board, we make fun of them. Everyone is suppose to be calm. We're all suppose to get along and not care too much about anything. Shit, Josh has even come in to make fun of us. Hey Josh, how are you?
Why are you so hell-bent on giving religious nuts credit for shit they didn't do? The only people that take them seriously are people that already agree with them, and everyone else just gets pissed off and goes harder in the opposite direction. Have you ever met an intelligent and reasonable person that heard Pat Robertson talk and spontaneously said "Oh shit, he's right, fuck science and learning!"?Quote:
Originally Posted by buttcheeks
Finch
If you read the rranscript of what happened on the smoking gun, two things are evident.
1) The cop gave the prof multpile chanced. Said prof insulted him about 10 times before he was arrested.
2) He actually did make a "your mother joke" lol.
Also, Ic, sorry there is nothing you're better than me at, get over it. Second place can be a comfortable place if you accept it.
Still waiting for you to post more than "hay man I was fuckin' there" in regards to the VA. Go ahead, I'll be on the road most of the day, do some research for once.
Astro, that's an interesting take. We have the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals here. They'll smoke the shit out of any public operation on the planet, period. The Clinic in particular is about 10 years ahead of any public outfit I know of.
www.clevelandclinic.org
www.universityhospitals.org
Check them out!
I'd say I'm better than you at most things other than MAKING MONEY BIG HUSTLER.Quote:
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What the fuck are you talking about? I've already said what I think about the VA twice.Quote:
Still waiting for you to post more than "hay man I was fuckin' there" in regards to the VA. Go ahead, I'll be on the road most of the day, do some research for once.
Also: Why don't you just suck the Cleveland Clinic's cock? You use it in every argument involving anything related to health like there's no other hospital in the world with quality care.
Biff'd suck a dick if it was honey flavored: Confirmed.
I thought about this case, and while I was initially with the police on this one, and I do think all the accusations of racism and such were bullshit/paranoid, there's one main thing that the cop did wrong and I think it's the one that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Othello Harrington
Gates was being a tool, but that's kind of his right. The cop did say "If you want to yell at me, yell at me outside" and the arrest was for disturbing the peace (i.e. yelling at him outside) which I think could be considered entrapment. An officer can't solicit someone to commit a crime and then bust them for it.
He's a Harvard professor, how fucking dumb is he that he stepped out of the house? That's how you get arrested.
This entire situation is getting way too much media attention. I'm still with the cops.
I feel for the cop more than I do for Gates, but I still think the cop was legally in the wrong.
Look, this isn't an important national issue. A black guy overreacts on a white cop and gets shat on. There, I explained the entire debacle in once sentence. If the cop was legally wrong isn't my concern. My biggest concern is that this is taking up news coverage from a bill that will bury this country in debt. More so than where we are, anyway.
When you're right, you're right. Ramon has a point.
Yelling at cops is stupid to begin with. This professor sounds like one of those "oppressed minority" types who thinks every injustice done to him is the result of racism and bigotry.Quote:
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He doesn't just sound like, he is.
There was a brilliant bit about this on The Daily Show.
I've been hearing news about this health bill for at least several hours every day, how it's been reduced to $900 bill, and how (unless it's all words (and it could be)), Obama doesn't even want to sign it if it's going to add to the nation's debt. This is important for Obama if he doesn't want his popularity to tank, although it should be important for everyone who doesn't cover his or her ears and yell "YOU ARE SOCIALIST, I CAN'T HEAR YOUR RESPONSE, BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR COMMIES!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
We're coming up on August. This is what happens to health reform. It's delayed long enough, one person yells that it won't work loud enough for several people to doubt it will, everyone has second thoughts and thinks "Maybe it's a good thing that if i lose coverage i'm fucked. This is America, this is the price of capitalism. My current healthcare is fine.", health reform fails until the next fool who tries to make anything happen, current fool who tries to make something happened is called liar by the very people who pressed for it not to pass.
I've heard bits of the Gates vs. Whitey story a few times over the past week. This is covered much less than Michael Jackson, and it's much more relevant. This is not about the incident itself, it's about the issues that the incident brings to light. This is not an ignorant black man and this is not an ignorant white cop. This is two men butting heads over a misunderstanding. It happens all the time. Only this time everyone's scared about it being racist. That they're afraid of it being racist should tell you something. We don't know what our limits are. Should white cops tiptoe to avoid being racist, should black men be afraid that they're going to be incarcerated when asking why they were stopped? Should i expect anyone here to understand what i'm talking about and not dismiss it as "bees and gay honey"?
You're making this more complicated than it really is. The guy could have just showed him his state-issued I.D. and this wouldn't have even been a blip on your radar. The guy screams racism after yelling at an officer and being difficult. This isn't our modern day Jim Crow.
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Doing great! I'm listening to the Moody blues and it's putting me in an awesome mood! I love that shit!Quote:
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Agreed, the media and the prez is making a big deal out of a simple overreaction from a plantation worker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
No, because this is our modern day James Crowley. ha ha ha haQuote:
This isn't our modern day Jim Crow.
And you're over-simplifying. If there was no issue of white cops vs. black civilians, this would never have been a blip on anyone's radar. One side has to worry about being racist, one side has to worry about discrimination.Quote:
You're making this more complicated than it really is. The guy could have just showed him his state-issued I.D. and this wouldn't have even been a blip on your radar. The guy screams racism after yelling at an officer and being difficult.
That Oboma apologized for his mistake instead of running it into the ground and that all sides actually participated is as refreshing as lil' Joe Biden's choice of non-alcoholic beer. Even if he's wading through bureaucracy and politics, the man's trying to do right.
apologies to ironplant.
ha ha ha ha, you are funny too kinofu.Quote:
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