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its PC only, from twitter
THE big feature. Possibily to import geometry blocks in the game
No XBLA, PSN or Mac ports. Nadeo only want to focus on PC
Nadeo don't want to grow. No mods support on 360 and no Direct X on PS3 are also two other reasons.
Three environments. Valley is the one in the video
3 years working on it
4 differents lighting. No real-time dynamic lighting though
4 Splitscreen modes
SOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Yeah, looks super hot from the teaser vid, though honestly I really want to see what they can do with questmania and shootmania.
That looks amazing.
Are those confirmed to be real or was Nadeo just messing with us?Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronChance
Anyway, I'm far from done with TM United Forever. There's so much content and it's near perfect already so I'm in no rush for another one.
so awesome
for the whole time, it's like 'normal race'
and then they go 90 degrees to do the jump onto the other straight
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Looks awesome. Importing geometry is a huge deal. PC focused is the way to go for the series.
I love Nadeo so much.
That's pretty sweet.
They're actually real. Trackmania 2 has bypassed them in development so we'll see that first.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I'd love to play Trackmania, if only it wasn't stuck being stupid PC-only.
There's a (crappy) DS version. Trackmania really doesn't work on any other platform. The level creation tools demand mouse controls and the leaderboards, level sharing, and multiplayer all require an internet connection as well as a hard drive. The only other platform it might, might work on is iPhone, but even then there would be control issues when you race.
DS version isn't crappy. And come on - if they wanted to, they could easily make a track editor for Xbox 360 / PS3, along with everything else. Nothing is stopping them. (Okay, Microsoft's rules could pose a stumbling block for level sharing, but if Nadeo really wanted to push the issue, and maybe make the game Xbox 360 exclusive, I'm more than willing to bet MS could be convinced.)
No, I really don't think they could. Not without the track editor being unbelievably clunky. And the DS version is really crappy since half of the fun of Trackmania is comparing times with your friends and region. The other half is finding truly insane tracks that people have uploaded.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here, because I think that's BS. If you really wanted to, you could make freakin' Photoshop totally usable on a Dual Shock or 360 controller. The problem is, too many PC developers get spoiled and just fall back on the old "you can't do this without keyboard+mouse" argument.
The problem is, you seem to be allergic to PC games. Did you have a traumatic experience involving a PC tower or something?
As for the idea of Photoshop on a controller, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Shidoshi's right that you could rework a track editor to work with a controller, but wrong about the rest. The consoles are just too closed right now to allow the kind of custom content Trackmania needs.
Actually, PS3 might be able to do it. Unreal Tournament 3 handled mods pretty well. But then you'd have to actually develop for PS3.
He has a Mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Well, a couple things. First, 90% of PC games I have absolutely no interest in, and what few games I do want to play - for example, WoW, or Shin Megami Tensie Online - are an absolute nightmare to get working right far too often. I've had to re-install WoW a number of times after updates screwed it up somehow. I've got a friend who plays PC games, and it seems like every game he gets we have to go in and manually edit pref files in order to get it running right (or running right with the controllers he has).Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
There's then the fact that sitting at my desk playing games is not the way I want to be experiencing games.
You know how a number of people on here see portable (and/or DS specific) gaming as being kind of pointless and not at all interesting? That's how I see PC gaming.
I'm serious. Would I WANT to use Photoshop like that? Not really, no. Could it be done, and done good enough to be perfectly usable? Absolutely.Quote:
As for the idea of Photoshop on a controller, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
But Macs are real computers now, and you can frickin' dual-boot them with Windows!
I really don't know where this myth of horrible ini editing came from. I can think of one and exactly one recent game where I went ini diving in order to improve performance: Stalker, which already ran - I just wanted it to run a little better.
Exactly. Running the games isn't at all a problem for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Does he use a Dual Shock 3 to do his Photoshops
Trackmania has no business on 360, period. Microsoft has done a lot right, but are utterly incompetent when it comes to user content. Now that the PS3 is in a price-range where people are caring again, and Sony is really working the extra content thing with LBP and the upcoming ModNation Racers, I'm hoping more developers like RedLynx and Nadeo give them a second chance.
James
The thing is, most of what you're complaining about only happens with older PC games. And I'd rather fuck around with drivers and INI files than have the games be incompatible with my hardware, console-style.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
And I'm sure you know that's it's possible to play PC stuff from a couch, controller and all. Just takes time to set it up, like everything on the platform.
Man, deja vu.
I'm not a big fan of having video game systems in my living room; a PC isn't getting anywhere near that area. Well, okay... somebody buy me one of those cute Dell machines with the bamboo finish, and I'll play PC games, how about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
Even barring all of that, it simply comes back to this: I just have little interest in most PC games, with the exception of games that are also on consoles. And at that point, if it's a game that I can also get on a console, I'd rather just play it on a console. If it is a PC-exclusive game, chances are it's a game I don't care about. There have been a few games I've enjoyed, like Red Alert 2 and of course WoW, or a few games I've been curious about, like Trackmania, but otherwise I don't see why I'd spend money to play PC games I'm not that enthused about when there are plenty of console games I actually do want to play and still haven't picked up.
I've never understood the mentality of PC gamers who try to convince console gamers to become PC gamers, when said console gamer simply isn't interested in PC gaming. Not saying that you're trying to do that, but a lot of people do.
I play all my games at my desk. I have six consoles wired through a video capture card in my PC, and I play my games on my monitor. True story.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Get a more comfortable chair for your desk and a nicer monitor, I say. People that complain about PC gaming on the merits of their facilities strikes me in much the same ways as someone saying "I don't like console games because there's a bear in my living room and he'll eat me." It just has nothing to do with the format itself.
The reason PC gamers defend PC gaming is because it's the same fucking thing. It just seems silly to discriminate against an experience that isn't particularly different.
I have a PC, it plays bad ass games. I will play this.
Dude, Photoshop is barely usable with a mouse. For any real work you need a pen. It would be worthless on a game pad.Quote:
Originally Posted by shidoshi
Anyway... Holy hell that looks awesome. I love Trackmania. Must own. *Starts saving up the $9,000 it will most likely take to buy the hardware to run those graphics*
Oh shut up. A top-end premium rig right now is like $900 and I guaruntee you could run this on half that. PC gaming isn't that scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
My $400-$500 sumbitch will run this awesome, yeah.
you are SO. FUCKING. DUMB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
It's like cockmania in all your mouths.
I guess I should play the first game and see what all the fuss is about.
Try this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/11020/
It's free. Only one of the seven environments but it's still amazing.
The title is kind of confusing since there were 4 games in the series already, but the last one rolled the first three into one big supergame + all the Legos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
The sad part about this new thing is that it seems like starting back over with only some of the Legos again. It'll have 3 sets, where United had like 7, I think. It reminds me a bit of KoF XII where it's great to be moving ahead with new assets, but you know they have to go back and build up the series again as a result.
Maybe they'll pull a Trackmania Original 2 like they did when they brought the original Trackmania to the Sunrise engine.
United is a pretty fucking hard act to follow. If you want to talk about games you can play forever and not burn out, that's high on the list. I feel a little bad for them.
I mean Nations (the one-environment free version, for those who don't know) itself proved to be so engrossing that some people never bothered to buy United, not because they didn't like it, but because Nations alone was enough for them.
that's most of my friends, right there >:x
While leaderboards with replays are cool, the best part of the game is probably playing it online. They really are just giving away the best chunk of the game out for free, because of the online play and because so many people love the Stadium above all other environments.
I'm actually really pumped for splitscreen, the more I think about it.
It's criminal how much split screen is neglected in PC gaming for no good reason. The industry just assumed that PC gamers don't have real-life friends. Last game I remember doing it was World Racing 2.
I'm sitting here in this comfy as hell chair playing Batman with a 360 pad on this gorgeous 1080p monitor. It's only 23 inches, but it's huge (almost too big) and couldn't be more clear from where someone could sit while using it. I already sit around with friends and play MAME games on this thing. Split screen with this just makes too much sense.
The Nations leaderboards dwarfed United. Releasing 90% (100%?) of the Stadium environment blocks for free was a little too generous, I guess. I doubt that they'll do the same for the sequel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Stadium was Nations exclusive until United came out like a year later. United did add some more pieces, but then I think Nations Forever incorporated those back into the free game.
It reminds me of the old shareware days, really. There are ups and downs to it. I mean sure, the vast majority of people who played Doom never bought the registered version, but on the other hand the model increased the game's visibility severalfold.
So Nadeo was bought by Ubisoft.Is there any way that this will turn out for the best? Any way at all?Quote:
Paris, France – October 05, 2009. Today, Ubisoft announced the acquisition of the development studio Nadeo, creator of TrackMania, the cult multiplayer car racing video game.
Set up in 2000 in Paris and comprising a highly talented team of developers, the Nadeo studio has won acclaim for the quality of its multiplayer technology which offers one of the best available on-line game experiences and has already notched up 10 million registered players. Its flagship game – TrackMania – has 700,000 unique players a month and is a pioneer in the sharing of creations (almost 15 million custom tracks created since 2008). It is also the first eSport franchise for racing games.
"The acquisition of Nadeo is an important step in our expansion within the on-line gaming sector", said Yves Guillemot, Chief Executive Officer of Ubisoft. “Through Nadeo, Ubisoft will gain an expert team, one of the best on-line technologies around as well as a flagship multiplayer game that enjoys an unrivalled reputation among a loyal and committed community. We are excited about the idea of introducing TrackMania to an ever-wider audience and sharing the expertise of Nadeo's teams with our Group's other developers”.
"Joining Ubisoft is a huge opportunity for us to develop and innovate and take Nadeo to new horizons", said Florent Castelnérac, Chief Executive Officer of Nadeo. “Nadeo’s team was keen for this acquisition to happen. Like players in a community, we see ourselves as being a complementary fit with Ubisoft and believe that we can share and quickly move ahead together".
ubisoft: scrap the pc exclusive stuff and make this seriously multi-platform
nadeo: uh okay i guess
New trailer!
I haven't really followed the news on this but I hear that they're going to release the environments one at a time. Budget priced, I think.
This looks super pretty but they have so much to do to build back up to the accumulated awesome of United. I feel like I'm looking at KoF XII all over again.
For the three of us who care about the best arcade racing series, this is the official announcement trailer:
And screens! They're too big to attach though!
http://www.pcgames.de/Trackmania-2-C...lerie/1513842/
This game (er, environment) looks pretty cool. I'm 99% sure I'll buy it. A little bit more interested in seeing Shootmania and Questmania, though.
Those are supposedly coming after Canyon is released. All part of that crazy ManiaPlanet thing.
I'm insanely curious about those, BTW.
I'm not one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
*watches trailer*
Yep, still not.
I can't tell you how wrong you are. What Trackmania lacks in visual personality it makes up for in sheer awesome. If you don't at least play the free version (Nations) before dismissing it, you're an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Burnout's a popular franchise. Way more than three fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
i'm taking back the term "arcade racer" and using it exclusively for arcade racing games.
It was until EA realized how much better Burnout was than NFS and sabotaged the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass
It's impossible to be this wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Are they even made anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tain
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT
I love Burnout 2 and 3 to death. Downhill since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Compass
Then I'm an asshole, fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Before this thread degenerates, I should point out why this looks so fuckawesome just in case you're not familiar with the series.
The big draw in Trackmania is that all of the tracks are generated from a powerful in-game editor. You build the track out of bits and pieces of developer-created geometry. Turbo boost here, jump here, loop here, etc. Kind of like that old Stunts game.
Even with that limitation, you can already get some brilliant tracks (skip to 55 seconds):
Trackmania 2's editor works the same way except you're also given the option of importing your own custom geometry. For a game with such a creative fanbase, this is pretty massive.
And if past performance is any indication, it'll have a razor-sharp driving model. ..with turbo boosts, jumps, loops and all sorts of crap you won't find in any other racer.
If that doesn't sound interesting to you, shrug.
I have United on Steam. It's okay I guess. Fun in short bursts. The experience just seems kinda empty to me. Gets boring quickly. I don't mess around with the editor and don't care about leaderboards, so maybe I'm missing the point...
Downhill since Takedown isn't saying much. What isn't? Revenge and Paradise are still fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by epmode
I guess it helps if you're into time attack. And stuff like Super Meat Boy. By that I mean it's a hard game (if you're going for golds) with short levels and instant restarts.
Since that's pretty much my dream racer, I like it a lot.
In related news, Stuntman: Ignition is also rad.
I did get a bit burned out on TM singleplayer, but multi is pretty fun. Small-scale time competition instead of stiff boring leaderboards.
I blame this thread for making me re-install Trackmania Sunrise Nations Forever Star Alpha Turbo'. And for keeping me up to 6:30AM last night working on some of the platforming levels.
James
Gameplay
Release now pls.
Fuck.
shiiiit
loving my PC, this is gonna be great.
I really hope this isn't the next KoF XII. Which is to say a major visual upgrade that is ultimately incomplete because of the increased burden of creating HD content.
I figure that's why they're releasing one environment at a time. It would be a serious bummer if this environment had less than what we expect from one, though, yeah.
block model importing helps a little, in that case
Everyone that preorders this gets in the beta starting in a few hours. $25.
BTW, is block importing still planned? I haven't heard much about it since the initial previews.
dunno, I try not to pay too close attention to games I'm pretty sure I'm playing.
but ho man am I ready for 5:00. Looking forward to drooling at the visuals, driving around, playing with the editor, and playing splitscreen. Hopefully that last one is in the beta.
How long is that offer good for? Please don't say it's today only.
I think it's all the way up to release.
I know what I'm doing when I get may paycheck, then.
drivin' some fuckin' cars.
You know what I want to do? Make a Platform campaign with a limited number of retries over the course of a set of tracks instead of just one. That'd be cool.
http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtop...33556ce0f0e7d0 preorders live
i'm ready to download once i get home
Hi Ed!
$5 Steam sale or bust.
You don't even know how much I love this car. The drifting is perfect.
Whatever provider they are using for delievery blows ass. I'm trying to pay using Paypal and it keeps telling me that payment is refused... before I even get a chance to log into Paypal. I know America's economy is in the shitter but I'm pretty sure my dollars are still good.
Fake edit: It appears to be throwing generic "Payment Refused" errors due to load issues. Still comes across as a chinztey operation; Steam release plox.
Yeah, this could be The Best Car
I think a lot of the visual oomph of this game is lost in real-time. All of the videos released so far have been rendered replays, and this game offers better options for that than prior games. It's still pretty, but I think we're looking at a slight update of Nations Forever, visually, rather than some significantly changed engine.
Also, I'm really hoping it's the beta at fault here, but it turns out I am pretty disappointed with the block selection. A little bit of googling tells me that Nadeo's unsure if we'll have block importing in Canyon, too. :[
On the flipside, the support for external scripts looks like it could be a big deal. The editor plugins are the most obvious use of the scripting (things like auto-decorate), but I noticed that you can select 'Script' as a game type when making a server. Pretty cool!
I'm glad the car itself is as awesome as it is. This would be a little disappointing otherwise.
Everyone please post their Maniaplanet IDs so we can all add each other. Mine is, unsurprisingly, bVork.
epmode!
I usually stick to single player since I like perfecting my time on a single track but I've been having fun with the fast map switching in the usual mutiplayer gametype.
My handle on Maniaplanet is kumubou
I like how with this car the brake button is really the "drift like a motherfucker" button. Good stuff.
I love the car. It combines the best of the Coast car with the best of the Stadium car.
Tain. TNL group?
I've had Trackmania since Sunrise, but whenever I played online, I just went to Suggested servers. Which are always Time Attack.
But you know what? Rounds is way better. Shit.
And yeah, I think this is the best car.
I will get this but I need a bluetooth headset (and adaptor, I don't think this motherboard has BT). Any recommendations?
This launched earlier today. As usual, the Nadeo single-player tracks are lots of fun.
They make rad trailers too.
You lovvveeee Trackmania
If it was on Live (or had any press in America), I wouldn't be the only one. It's at least as good as Trials HD which sold incredibly well.
I hate you for not playing it or Nations BTW.
This game runs on butt computers, too.
I'd be playing it more today, but Radiant Silvergun and CV3.
Today is ridiculous. Radiant Silvergun, Minecraft 1.8, and Trackmania 2. What kind of time do they think I have?
James
Fuck, this is out already? I hadn't heard anything in a while, was not expecting this.Pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Yeah, I had no idea it was out yesterday. I was busy on 1.8 and RS. Shit, and Gears next week?
It took forever and a day but Trackmania 2: Canyon and Shootmania: Storm are both on Steam right now. If you already own either of them, you can get a free Steam key by entering your CD key from your confirmation email.
ALSO: the open beta for Trackmania 2: Stadium is live. The full version is on sale for $9 and the free beta is under the Download Demo link on the right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Qnws7Njas
$10 is a much more appealing price point for a single environment than $20. I never did pick up Canyon, and I'm a huge fan of the series.
I tried the beta. I'll probably jump in and buy it when I finish the game I rented, but I have to say it's really similar to United. The graphics are a little better, but it really feels like the same damn game with some new shaders.
There's apparently no way to get your key from your account without contacting Ubi support. I lost the original email. Bummer, but I should be able to hook Canyon up to Steam soon.
Why is Canyon still $20 damn dollars?
I just created a group for TNL, unsurprisingly called The Next Level.
Login: TNL
Password: Outworld
I just bought these and am ready to play the hell out them
Racing in its purest form
The second new Trackmania 2 environment (since Stadium being remade in TM2 doesn't quite count), Valley, is out now, and it's even better than Canyon lol.
It's still drifty, but you get more environmental variety and the mud racing is pretty wicked. It's also gorgeous, maybe more of a leap than Stadium to Canyon was. It has Steam Workshop support and I guess they're adding it to the other Trackmania 2 environments, too. Cool.
And I think custom block geometry is finally in these games.