New Super Mario Bros. - Wii

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Originally Posted by Hero

<- Still doesn't get how mashing is nicer than waggle.

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Your fingers are pressing buttons just like the last 30+ years of controlling games.

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Yeah,we're getting old, and change is frightening. Really looking forward to playing this game. Hopefully it's just like the Mario games I played 20 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Hero

- Both require no "skill" to do.
- Both function as a spastic physical action to get a desired result.

The only difference is the measure/method in which its implemented. Waggle has you flailing your arm/wrist while mashing has you smashing your fingers/flailing your wrist. Only other difference is one method is seen as more acceptable, by no other practical virtue than its been around since the inception of console gaming.

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What exactly is your point? People here don't want forced waggle and you don't get why? You like the waggle? Great! For all I care you can put the Wii remote inside of a rubber dick, hold it in your mouth and whenever waggle is called for start shaking your head back and forth.

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Originally Posted by Glass Joe

What exactly is your point?

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His point is that you're overreacting to something minor. It's not like you have to shake the wiimote every time you want to jump. While this thread is about NSMBW and I haven't played that yet I can't comment on how it effects this game, but those bitching about it in say Excitebike World Rally are really just bitching for bitching's sake.

There's no point in making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yeah, I don't get how some of you fuckers are amped to rebuy God of War, with its floating button icons and boss battles with the all the depth of a Sega CD FMV game, then disparage the option to shake the controller with unskilled abandon instead of mashing buttons with unskilled abandon as somehow conducive do the dumbing-down of games.

I kind of like shaking the mote in Excitebike. *shakes mote* "GET ON YOUR FUCKING BIKE! AHHH!"

First of all, the dildo comment was just a joke. I was trying being a wise ass. I'm all for new, innovative controls. One of my favorite games this generation is Zack and Wiki. Besides the last boss fight, they nailed the controls in that game with some innovative uses for the Wii remote. I just wish more companies would have found a way to be that useful with the waggle.

But I do firmly stand behind not having waggle just for the sake of it. I'm more upset with Excitebike for not letting me use the classic controller. The midget d-pad and buttons on Wii remote annoy the fuck out of me.

I don't like shaking shit. The end. I don't like mashing a button 1000 times like in Track and Field either.

No one is complaining that waggling always means "dumbing down". It's jarring and irritating.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

His point is that you're overreacting to something minor. It's not like you have to shake the wiimote every time you want to jump.

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No, just every time you have to pick something up or fly, which, knowing how the Mario games are, could be A LOT. I prefer button mashing because I don't even have to move the controller to do it. I feel like a fucking idiot shaking a controller at the screen. It's irritating as hell.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

No one is complaining that waggling always means "dumbing down". It's jarring and irritating.

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Being asked to waggle a controller is jarring? You guys take this stuff seriously!

Yes, I don't want to shake my whole hand back and forth to do something that I could do with less movement. Especially if I have to keep doing it.

Defending the use of waggle here is really stupid. You aren't pointing at anything, and it isn't mimicking a movement, so I don't see why it's anything but shitty. If I was 6, maybe I'd think it wasn't retarded. When I was 6, I spun around in circles and got dizzy. Now it'd be incredibly nauseating.