This Just In: Nintendo Doesn't Get It

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

Not really.

Having subcultures discovered by the mainstream, only for them to be flooded with tools is pretty common. And it sucks.

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There are always tools everywhere. It's just that most people don't recognize when they're being tools and when a flood of different people show interest in something they become shocked that those people aren't like them. It's kind of like the "90% of everything sucks" comment that gets thrown around, people who do that tend to include what they like in the quality 10%.

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Originally Posted by kedawa

The trouble with what Nintendo is doing is that the wider demographic doesn't provide the same attach rate for software that the traditional gamer does.

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I don't remember where I saw it unfortunately, but the average attach rate for most of the major consoles going back to the NES was something like 7-12 games per system. It's an issue for 3rd parties more than anything but the heavy buyer is an anomaly and the games that rely on them are the ones that lost their mainstream appeal and rely on an established fanbase like ports of arcade shooters. Interest in any genre can decline regardless of quality and when that happens the people who will be in trouble are the ones who excel only in that genre or rely on the lingering fanbase of a single franchise. You can run off a list of quality developers that disappeared or declined severely with time as easily as anyone else here. Nintendo probably can't keep the momentum they have now but because they have so many successful games in so many different genres, they're probably in the best position they can reasonably be in.

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Originally Posted by kedawa

The trouble with what Nintendo is doing is that the wider demographic doesn't provide the same attach rate for software that the traditional gamer does.

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You should actually look at sales data before making claims. Last I saw all 3 systems attatch rates where fairly close, with the 360 being like 1 - 1.5 games a head, but it was also out for a year longer than the other 2.

But also horribly dinged by RRoD. I'd like to see what real sales figures are for 360 per Live account, rather than games per 360.

James

The RRoD would hurt attach rates, though, since it increases the number of systems sold without increasing the number of games.

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Originally Posted by Low

-Due to poor sales of Madworld, Overkill, and Conduit Sega is likely cutting mature support for Wii.

-Marvelous (about the only Wii developer I care about) banked heavy on Wii and posted big losses last year.

-Namco Bandai has slowly cut original works for the system in favor of a shift to casual titles. The latest Tales title has underperformed as well.

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Shit like this will happen until the economy improves. One can't really guage how good a company's gameplan is in such a bum economy. 3rd parties are scared and being hit VERY hard. They will take as few risks as possible.

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Originally Posted by Hero

I'm taking the games-are-over in context between now and back then. Both instances you see a strong, knee-jerk opposition to changing what's "theirs" to appeal to a market that isn't worthy. That games as we know it will be dumbed down to the point of just being interactive movies, etc. Now we're getting the line that games NEED story, visuals, world design in order to be 'real' games. Everything else is just a non-game or "casual."

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you're being a silly pecker!

no one believes that shit. The whole gripe against "casual" gamers is that retarded amount of pure fucking shit that is coming out because of it. Yes, there has always been bad games, but HOLY FUCK is the Wii and DS getting some unbelievable garbage. We're talking about shit that should be free flash games.

The ratio of truly horrid almost games has to be much higher on the Wii and DS than the other systems by a big margin.

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Originally Posted by rezo

There are always tools everywhere. It's just that most people don't recognize when they're being tools and when a flood of different people show interest in something they become shocked that those people aren't like them. It's kind of like the "90% of everything sucks" comment that gets thrown around, people who do that tend to include what they like in the quality 10%.

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This is not completely true. There is a certain type of person that is very stupid and very shallow. They float from one mainstream thing to the next. They never really get into anything deep. They are typically the lowest common denominator.

I get what your saying, and it is partially true. But thinking it is all just one big misunderstanding or a coincidence is just naive.

Sure, I bet I'm a fan of stuff that is actually shit. But you know, just because it is shit, doesn't somehow make anyone else that likes it possibly more of a tool or asshole than I am.

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Originally Posted by Hubbitron

So casual gamers are the smart consumers? What kind of a retard show's "brand loyalty" when they are spending their own money on something that isn't a necessity?

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Are you serious?
What do you think drives system prejudices and fanboyism?
Brand loyalty has always been a part the videogame industry.

sega helped everyone grow out of that, one way or another.