I got called a cracker today because I told a black guy to try the black vending machine since the other wasn't working for him.
Actually, a cracker-ass cracker.
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I got called a cracker today because I told a black guy to try the black vending machine since the other wasn't working for him.
Actually, a cracker-ass cracker.
That's so you know you're not a soul cracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Changeling
Galaxy is harder than NSMBW.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
Only if you have problems with fake depth-perception. Mario Galaxy is stupid and booooring.
The platforming in Mario Galaxy is harder than the new super mario bros. I like both games, but I did get bored of Galaxy quite early on. I love how in the new super mario bros game you don't clip through one another. So double platforming with a friend (or my nephew in this case) becomes much more team oriented than two people just getting to the end flag.
Are you talking in terms of simply getting to the end? While I can agree that some some of the purple coin levels in Galaxy are harder than anything in NSMBW, I found finishing Galaxy to be a breeze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Amazon just released their Top 20 Video Game Bestsellers for the year. Hold on to your asses.
01. Wii
02. Wii Remote controller
03. Wii MotionPlus
04. Wii Nunchuk controller
05. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
06. Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
07. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
08. Wii Fit (Wii)
09. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Xbox 360)
10. Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
11. PlayStation 3 Dualshock 3 controller
12. Wii Play (Wii)
13. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
14. Wii Wheel
15. Assassin's Creed II (Xbox 360)
16. Halo 3: ODST (Xbox 360)
17. PlayStation 3 120 GB
18. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (PS3)
19. EA Sports Active (Wii)
20. Left 4 Dead 2 (Xbox 360)
So the Wii Wheel, that cheap bit of plastic that already came bundled with Mario Kart Wii, outsold Uncharted 2 on Amazon this year. And the Wii MotionPlus, which is currently mandatory for almost nothing and already came bundled with Wii Sports Resort, was a bigger seller for Amazon than the 120GB PS3.
It would appear that Nintendo does, indeed, get it.
Yeah, because this thread started out by saying that Nintendo doesn't know how to market stuff.
I hope you get it too
aids
It might be best for everyone's mental health to stop looking at Nintendo as a competitor to Sony and MS. Like pro wrestling versus real sports.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
If it was just marketing and the product really wasn't delivering what these people wanted, this all would have fizzled out two years ago. But no. Nintendo is actually making what people want.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
Horrible people, yeah.
This whole situation is hilarious.
Microsoft: Let's build a system so goddamn powerful that we have to make it with the cheapest shit we can find and pack it so tight that hardware failure is assured and STILL have to launch it at an outlandish price even though we are eating large amounts of the cost ourselves selling each unit at a loss! It will just be that goddamn powerful! Idea! If we make a gimp unit we can create the illusion of a lower launch price while only giving up meaningful hard drive functionality for the duration of the system's life!
Nintendo: No, let's not do that.
Sony: No, wait. I got it. Let's go even MORE powerful and expensive! And since it is obvious that digital downloads are "in", we will include a big-ass hard drive in everything! Now all we have to do is make it more expensive still by including Bluray and cross our fingers that digital downloads are not in fact "in" so people everywhere abandon digital on-demand movies for $30 Bluray discs. The PS3 can ride the movie wave into homes everywhere just like the PS2 did with DVD. It only makes the damn system $700 or whatever.
Nintendo: No, let's not do that. Here is a cheap system that doesn't break. We will sell it at a profit since we aren't retards. Here are games. They are fun and don't require 40 hours of filler grinding to justify 90 million dollar development budgets.
People: Thanks Nintendo! This is fun and cheap!
Gamers: Wow, Nintendo did it all wrong! This is fun and cheap however!
Go back to Rock Band on the PS2.
You sure showed me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
After reading Cheebs tripe. Now I know why Yoshi hates Philly fans.
Where in your universe is pro wrestling a bigger household name than "real" sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
Perhaps! From what I can tell, gamers are ready to have a collective anneurism over Non-tendo doing better than the "real" sports. Ignorance is bliss, better to pretend they don't exist at all because they don't cater to you specifically. Then you can go back to enjoying games blissfully unawares and brain-blood-clotting-free!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
Nonjas.
<3 Speed RacerQuote:
Originally Posted by Finch
I can't seem to find these games you speak of. I find dumbass shit, but no gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
Can you find the cereal?
The key to marketing is to convince people that they want something they don't need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
Again - none of this is pertinent to what Yoshi's original post quoted as well as the discussion from which those quotes came from. Nobody here is saying that Nintendo doesn't know how to sell stuff so quit being so fucking sanctimonious in telling us how well they are selling stuff and either respond to what the subject actually is or shut the fuck up. Please.
I want to make sure we're all on the same page here:
-Nintendo releases mindless "Iwata Asks" PR fluff
-Yoshi disagrees with content of said article
-Yoshi claims to hate Nintendo games and never play them
-Yoshi gets all worked up anyways
-Five pages of TNL bandwidth are wasted
-Nintendo still prints money
Are we missing anything, or can we close the thread now?
Not as good as StriderKyo, but that's basically it. Add in maybe Yoshi whining about shit as usual and you hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
If it were up to me, I'd lock the thread only on the condition that when Yoshi comes into any other Nintendo thread to complain about something that nobody can tell him to shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
Do you want his platform to be in this thread or to be in every Nintendo thread?
Only if everyone here can post threads complaining about whatever's on his or her mind. I'm about to take an excerpt from a fluff interview about Avatar and create a separate thread about it where i imply that there's something horribly wrong with what the interviewees are saying. I wonder what will happen.
Interesting that you brought that up, Finchy. I saw Avatar this evening, and came away disappointed. In spite of this, I will still find a way to enjoy other movies. It'll be tough, but I'll find a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finch
It's going to be, no matter what. A lot of Nintendo threads that have been hit by the Yoshi drive-by.Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
I don't draw. Not even a little. So I bypass all the Artist's Block threads. What Yoshi does would be like me going into every drawing thread and spouting off about how much drawing sucks, then getting all pissy that everybody doesn't jump on my bandwagon about how much drawing sucks.
Start smoking weed.
Random drug tests are a bitch. And very real in my life.
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/a...1&d=1262055838Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
The Ultimate Whiner
No. Most Wii games aren't fun once you get over the novelty of motion control. Seriously, do you genuinely think that Wii Fit and Carnival Games are good games? Furthermore, the whole grinding thing is a bit of a strawman since only JRPGs seem to revel in it. Grinding is retarded but fortunately not an issue in 95% of games. Haven't you noticed that people have been complaining about the lack of length in lots of modern games? That speaks more of lack of filler than tacked-on grinding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheebs
Both Kororinpa games are excellent, as is Tiger 2010, so there are a couple games that benefit from motion control. Most of the best Wii stuff uses the pointer, though.
There's too much shit shovelware on the Wii, it's true, but only a brain-dead retard would let it prevent them from enjoying the stuff worth playing. Possibly while browsing the app store on the iPhone.
James
I like that you're upset by thinking Yoshi expects everyone to be on the anti-Nintendo bandwagon, but you're just as guilty by expecting everyone to be on the Pro-Nintendo bandwagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
Is it too hard to simply look past what Yoshi, Joust, and other common "anti-Nintendo titans" say about Nintendo? I don't usually agree with their opinion, but I love that they have an opinion and that I don't get butt hurt when it's not the same as mine.
Seriously? I've been posting here for a couple years now. I know better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
Well yes, of course one can't generalize that much and write off the entire Wii platform, or entire control concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
But what sells is not generally what is good - which is why I brought up two big selling games that happen to be terrible. My point is that sales do not equate to quality, and I greatly resent Cheebs's implication that I don't enjoy fun if I am not a Wii fanboy. I remain convinced that the people buying garbage like Wii Fit are doing it specifically because of the gimmick, because there is nothing redeeming about the gameplay.
He also left out you and Buttplant having your noses halfway up my ass trying to prove to yourselves that my shit stinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
I know you've been here for years. :) My impression from your posts in this thread, though, is that you want people to join the pro-Nintendo bandwagon and, since people are not so quick to join your stance, you're beating that drum louder by throwing nonsense support like the Amazon Best Selling in Video Games for 2009 list up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
Alrighty, I should probably clear that up. My intent from the beginning of this thread was to draw attention to the fact that it's ridiculous for Yoshi to get so worked up over something that (a) isn't an issue in contemporary Nintendo games, and (b) shouldn't bother him anyways since he's above playing Nintendo games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
I threw up the Amazon list in here because (a) I didn't think it was worthy of its own thread, and (b) it really did surprise me that some stupid and/or useless peripherals actually outsold some very good games (on Amazon, at least).
That is all.
I think your first mistake was that most of the people that were disagreeing with Yoshi. Were saying that's not ultimately what Iwata and Miyamoto were saying. The second is that some people asked Squall a question and he responded. Whether that sounds Pro-Nintendo or not eh, but if I was asked a question I would answer it. Not giving a FUCK if that sounded Pro-fuckshitwhatever or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
I do sometimes wonder why the wii has so many completely horrible looking games on it. The box art alone looks like shitty free online flash games.
"Ninety percent of everything is crud." -- Sturgeon's LawQuote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
"Ninety percent of video games sold is Nintendo." -- Amazon.com
This is actually a very good analogy. I've never really thought of it that way, but it clearly fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoleTroll
It's actually pretty accurate too. I don't think they're stealing a lot of business away from real consoles.
MW2 is a testament to that. Now if we could just keep good series away from the DS...
Dude, that has been the point of videogames since forever and ever. No one needs em and devs/pubs invent new ways to "convince" us that we do. We're such malleable plebes!Quote:
Originally Posted by dog$
That's why I have Joust on ignore and not Yoshi. While Joust posts read as bitching simply to bitch, Yoshi at least demonstrates some critical reasoning to back up his arguements. Sure, I'll disagree about the Nintendo vitriol but it's not gonna ruin my life. Sometimes he even makes good points that give me a chance to reconsider a discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
(a) Stop writing in alphabetical bullet points, (b) what the fuck is this shit and (c) shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by squall_vb
So we're gonna use MW2 as an example of "hardcore" games being financial behemoths? Man, I thought you knew that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
a) All blockbuster games sell their best in their 1st day, week, even month. It tapers out bad after that.
b) Modern Warfare is...get ready for it...the most casual-friendly, highly marketable to the mainstream FPS ever, ever.
I'd argue the only reason the MW series sells well is it's very, very, VERY casual. Regen health? Check. On-rails levels? Check. Arcadey pace? Check. Casual up and down.
It doesn't matter if it can be difficult - Bejeweled or Peggle can be a bitch when they want to too. To me the definition of casual is to strip away the over-complications of game mechanics to make it as easy as possible for someone to step in and learn, not necessarily finish or master. This is why FPS is the most popular "harcore" genre out there. Over the years things like holding multiple weapons, having set health, traipsing through convoluted level designs where a map is needed have all been unceremoniously stripped away, replaced by dumbed-down mechanics hailed as "innovations" to the genre.
Modern Warfare 2 is the epitome of this design direction, coupled with the epitome of the current casual "hardcore" tastes. Swearing? Check. Tons of violence? Check. Something "controversial" manufactured deliberately to be just that? Check. Michael Bay-esque "plot" "drama" and "holy shit, explosions!?" Check. HD so fine it makes the slums of Brazil feel "exotic" and not "downright depressing?" Check and Check. It is the summer blockbuster flim the game industry clamored to make (to be just like Hollywood-only better!), crystallized and ready for consumption.
Is there anything wrong with that? Hell no! I love me some MW2, but I won't delude myself into thinking its more a game or more "serious business" than say, NSMBWii. Both are fun, both are games, and both strive to make easy to learn gameplay their cornerstones, while having very different visual/genre directions.
The day Demon's Souls sells 3.5 mil in a day, or 3.5 mil PERIOD, then you can say the "hardcore" gamers will not ever again need worry about the fad of the casual.
I almost never agree with Yoshi but since he appreciates the glory of Dino Crisis 2 he will always be okay in my book.
As a supplemental system it's not so bad, but who'd buy multiplatform games for Wii? I have to think that if it came down to PS2 or Wii for some titles, a lot of people are still going to pick the PS2 version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
They must run a lot of ads on uninteresting primetime crime shows because my mother and sister both think that they really want a Wii and I don't think either has ever spent a dime on video games that were for themselves. Not really hurting Sony or MS any!
(I thought that was the whole point though - Nintendo looking to "expand" the market instead of fight for market share)
My mom even said she wanted a Wii and she has always given me shit for playing video games.
God damn it. I hadn't thought about how much that needs a real sequel all year until you mentioned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave
I was using it as an example of a non-Wii game selling extremely well. I agree with you that it is the most pussified game in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
MW2 is a casual FPS, but you can't even compare it to something like The Biggest Loser (most appropriately named game for anyone who actually buy this shit).
No, you really can't. One game sold millions and the other sold what, maybe a dozen copies to people who like the show's merchandise.
James
Oh, I thought you were using it as an example of "fret not, true gamers! We can ignore the Wii's success because lo, here is MW2. The pinnacle of all true gaming stands for, selling 3 million on day 1," when in fact MW2 is, as you said, the most watered down (AND FUN) FPS to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
News Flash: Games that sell 6 million copies in one week target the lowest common denominator!
Someone in this discussion is forgetting that "hardcore" no longer means "people who read GameFan and think Ichinishi Daibouken Gaiden is way underrated.'" It now just refers to "the traditional 'gamer' market."
The classic notion of hardcore isn't going away, but it was never mainstream by definition and has little place in any discussion of what's selling or isn't.
I think nintendo's definition of hardcore is 'people who have played our old games and are more likely to purchase something resembling those games than mindless waggle mini-game collections and licensed shovelware.'
No, that's that bullshit "core gamer" term that some overpaid PR hack made up for an E3 conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/p...&pictureid=343Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/p...&pictureid=343Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Exactly. All this butthurt over one's hobby being "invaded" by the impure infidels is pretty bullshit.
I don't have a problem with casual gamers. I like seeing all this advertising expanded to women and geezers. The term "core gamer" is retarded PR crap, though.
Not really.
Having subcultures discovered by the mainstream, only for them to be flooded with tools is pretty common. And it sucks.
Like anime for example. There was a time before Dragon Ball Z and the internet. A magical time when you could rent Macross Plus at a indie video store, watch it, think it is cool, and not be forced to think about it again.
Yoshi isn't completely crazy. There is a change in who game companies sell to. We are currently shifting from a gaming industry that focuses on young men to an industry that focuses on everyone. And yoshi being yoshi, he doesn't want everyone to be happy. He wants Yoshi to be happy.
Nintendo is leading the way. Everything points to that. Their sales figures. Their advertising. Just watch a modern DS commercial. There are now commercials with 40 year old white women playing a DS and they squeal in orgasmic delight as they play the game. And they also have commercials where the mother is bonding with her daughter and they are fighting over the game. Nintendo didn't make that commercial for shits and giggles. They are trying to widen their audience.
Just because yoshi bitches more than anyone else on this board does not mean what he says is not happening. The real problem is we are tired of hearing him bitch. And he is a little paranoid and shits his brain out anyone brings up hand helds.
The worst is the 360 commercial where the grandmother that is also on Glee spits milk out and says some bullshit about "now we're having fun." Sony's current marketing campaign is by far the best, though it pales in comparison to those of the past.
Video games are more than a sub-culture. They are an artistic medium like movies and music. There's enough room for all demographics. The existence of Sex and the City, Celine Dion, and Wii Fit doesn't hinder the existence of Dexter, Megadeth, and Gears of War in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Just because there's room doesn't mean we should let undesirables fill it. We need a gaming border patrol.
This is only loosely related, but I figure more people would whine (is that possible?) if I started a new thread. Here is Nintendo mouthpiece Matt Casamassina finally putting the walking and quacking together and calling it a duck.
Sounds like Lieberman and Nintendo in the early '90s? No one over the age of ten plays video games. Stop the blood!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
I don't know, the existence of sex in the city is pretty upsetting.
And I don't know if you have looked at any of the games being marketed towards girls, but a lot of them are pretty damn sexist.
http://www.gamespot.com/ds/adventure...end/index.html
http://www.teamteabag.com/2008/11/18...end-ds-review/
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
Remember how it was the end of gaming as we know it when the market was made hip and cool and MTV-ed by the advent of the PSOne? Remember how pissed off people were over that? Did it ruin or destroy gaming? Depends on who you ask, although if you did and play Gears, Halo, MW, et al it makes you a bit of a hypocrit (or shortsighted in your youth). Now it's happening again. Just history repeating.
The trouble with what Nintendo is doing is that the wider demographic doesn't provide the same attach rate for software that the traditional gamer does. Right now, Nintendo is thriving on gimmicks and add-ons. Should that fad ever come to an end, they're going to find that they've conquered a vast desert and conceded all the fertile lands to their competition.
Of course, Nintendo hasn't been raking in cash by being stupid, and they will no doubt find ways to keep the gravy train rolling, but they would be fools to think that they can keep a stranglehold on the casual market for long. Casual gamers aren't likely to exhibit any sort of brand loyalty, after all.
I don't really play much gears, halo, MW, et al. I don't really have the money to buy them at release and pay for a live account. And you do have to get the live account for there to be anything special about those games. You remove it and they become dolled up fps from the 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
In fact I would say that live is a big reason a lot of people on TNL still play games. Despite how annoying all that shit was with MTv and the spike video game awards, the ability to play with other dorks across the country more than makes up for it.
btw, I kind of fail to see the connection between games becoming hip on tv causing halo or gears to exist. Those games would probably exist regardless of how hip videos games were marketed as.
Or are you saying that anyone really believed that video games becoming hip would actually end all game making? LOL if so. No one has ever believed that the video game market would die. Just that there would be less good games.
I'm taking the games-are-over in context between now and back then. Both instances you see a strong, knee-jerk opposition to changing what's "theirs" to appeal to a market that isn't worthy. That games as we know it will be dumbed down to the point of just being interactive movies, etc. Now we're getting the line that games NEED story, visuals, world design in order to be 'real' games. Everything else is just a non-game or "casual."
So casual gamers are the smart consumers? What kind of a retard show's "brand loyalty" when they are spending their own money on something that isn't a necessity?Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by IGN Article
LAWL.Quote:
Wii is a more powerful GameCube. It won't play high-definition titles. Laughably, it won't even output in Dolby Digital surround sound -- a feat PlayStation 2 accomplished nine years ago -- because the hardware includes only a stereo component.
L-OH-FUCKING-LQuote:
And really, why should Nintendo try when its strategy not only pays off by the millions but goes largely unquestioned by the fans, some of whom vehemently defend the company's every move.
MY NITENDO OUTPOTS IN FULL SURROUND SOUND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE SCREAMING!
You're not the only one to notice this:Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
I've stated this a few times before but a company making money hand over fist can afford to bundle add-ons that attract players to useless software instead of more deserving third party works. The result?Quote:
“The interesting thing is Nintendo, they make money off of every console they sell. I think one of the big things that we found out is it really is a mass market product where mom or whoever goes out, the 80% of the people out there who go out and buy a Wii box are happy with Wii Sports and they don’t really need another game. Or if they do need another game, they’ll buy Wii Resort because it comes with a free Wiimote or Wii Play…So, honestly I don’t know…You can obviously see that profits are down for Nintendo. I think the Wii is on its tail slide, unless they drop the price to like 80 bucks then you’ll start seeing it flying off the shelves.And I believe they’ll still make money if they drop it to 80 bucks…Point being is they have the ability to lower the price on the Wii [...] where Sony and Microsoft cannot do that.” - SEGA's Constantine Hantzopoulos
-Due to poor sales of Madworld, Overkill, and Conduit Sega is likely cutting mature support for Wii.
-Marvelous (about the only Wii developer I care about) banked heavy on Wii and posted big losses last year.
-Namco Bandai has slowly cut original works for the system in favor of a shift to casual titles. The latest Tales title has underperformed as well.
There are always tools everywhere. It's just that most people don't recognize when they're being tools and when a flood of different people show interest in something they become shocked that those people aren't like them. It's kind of like the "90% of everything sucks" comment that gets thrown around, people who do that tend to include what they like in the quality 10%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
I don't remember where I saw it unfortunately, but the average attach rate for most of the major consoles going back to the NES was something like 7-12 games per system. It's an issue for 3rd parties more than anything but the heavy buyer is an anomaly and the games that rely on them are the ones that lost their mainstream appeal and rely on an established fanbase like ports of arcade shooters. Interest in any genre can decline regardless of quality and when that happens the people who will be in trouble are the ones who excel only in that genre or rely on the lingering fanbase of a single franchise. You can run off a list of quality developers that disappeared or declined severely with time as easily as anyone else here. Nintendo probably can't keep the momentum they have now but because they have so many successful games in so many different genres, they're probably in the best position they can reasonably be in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
You should actually look at sales data before making claims. Last I saw all 3 systems attatch rates where fairly close, with the 360 being like 1 - 1.5 games a head, but it was also out for a year longer than the other 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
But also horribly dinged by RRoD. I'd like to see what real sales figures are for 360 per Live account, rather than games per 360.
James
The RRoD would hurt attach rates, though, since it increases the number of systems sold without increasing the number of games.
Shit like this will happen until the economy improves. One can't really guage how good a company's gameplan is in such a bum economy. 3rd parties are scared and being hit VERY hard. They will take as few risks as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Low
you're being a silly pecker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
no one believes that shit. The whole gripe against "casual" gamers is that retarded amount of pure fucking shit that is coming out because of it. Yes, there has always been bad games, but HOLY FUCK is the Wii and DS getting some unbelievable garbage. We're talking about shit that should be free flash games.
The ratio of truly horrid almost games has to be much higher on the Wii and DS than the other systems by a big margin.
This is not completely true. There is a certain type of person that is very stupid and very shallow. They float from one mainstream thing to the next. They never really get into anything deep. They are typically the lowest common denominator.Quote:
Originally Posted by rezo
I get what your saying, and it is partially true. But thinking it is all just one big misunderstanding or a coincidence is just naive.
Sure, I bet I'm a fan of stuff that is actually shit. But you know, just because it is shit, doesn't somehow make anyone else that likes it possibly more of a tool or asshole than I am.
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hubbitron
What do you think drives system prejudices and fanboyism?
Brand loyalty has always been a part the videogame industry.
sega helped everyone grow out of that, one way or another.
That would be the PS360, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
When the generation started, I was optimistic about the Wii. I expected to see most games using the classic controller or turned sideways NES style, quite a few light gun games, and little waggle. I thought we'd see tons of PS2 and PSP ports with normal controls, and a decent number of PS360 games with downgraded graphics. But the cynics were right. Aside from the VC, the Wii doesn't offer enough games to satisfy core gamers.
I see two problems with Nintendo and the casuals. First, taking their money away from MS and Sony. Second, the garbage games and controls. I think most of the casuals have been non-gamers, so it really hasn't hurt MS and Sony too much. And as long as the casuals and their games are locked up in the Nintendo concentration camp, the whole thing might as well not even exist.
We could even have separate forums on TNL: Gaming Discussion and Nintendo Discussion. Any posts about Nintendo stuff is immediately moved to the other forum.
If Wii gamers buy Wii Play, Carnival Games and Mario Galaxy, and PS3 gamers (like me) are watching Blu Rays and downloading movies, I'm not surprised. I have quite a few PSN games, but I bet those don't count for the stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
Does anyone get mad that there are thousands of books in Barnes & Noble that are terrible and they would never read? Do you get upset about there being tons of music and movies that have no appeal to you but are still being sold to the masses?
I understand and agree that there is more crap out now than ever before for video games, and that the Wii & DS are the biggest offenders of this, but our hobby is growing and becoming more of mainstream than ever before. Does anyone feel like there is suddenly a lack of good games coming out? The last three years have alone have had a ton of stellar games and I always seem to hear complaints of, "There is too much good stuff coming out!" Do you fear that every company is suddenly going to go casual and ignore the types of games that we like? If that was the case it would've happened already.
I really just don't get this resentment towards the casual market.
different industries. For you analogy to work, it would require the book and music industry to be good last year and suddenly huge things to change about either. Like I don't know, making the print taste like chocolate or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
and any time anything does go more mainstream, people do bitch. Go look at anything weeman says about music. And people were bitching about harry potter. About how it was low grade literature.
The only reason the game industry is different is because it has not became static yet. It has not settled on how it will define itself. Books and music have mostly been the same for a 1000 years. And anytime they do change, tons of people bitch.
The main point I was trying to drive home is that just because something has X number of titles doesn't mean that you have to enjoy or even acknowledge all X number of titles. You can very much go to what you like and ignore the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Well if that is what you are sayiing, then you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geen
Sometimes things change and they affect EVERYTHING else. Modern country music is an example. I can not think of anyone new that is putting out country music in the same style of that which was produced in the 60s. Even most of the people that are still around from the 60s have changed their sound.
And what have they changed their sound to? Country music with rock and pop overtones. Rock has had a lasting affect on country.
The scenario that Yoshi is scared of, where they were no longer make games he likes is possible. It has happened with other media.
The Wii is like Hardcore Gamer Magazine. It looks like the real thing, presses your nostalgia buttons, then gives you a rolling brownout.
If it happens it just means he became a dinosaur; no one cared enough to make what he likes, and if they did, not enough people cared to support them. If Yoshi only cares about what Yoshi wants, then he already gets that the people who want something else don't give a damn, so when it finally happens he can reflect on when it was his punk kid interests that were crowding the interests of a different group of people and join me in exclusively playing video games from the past.Quote:
The scenario that Yoshi is scared of, where they were no longer make games he likes is possible. It has happened with other media.
Or get involved in game design and take an active role in creating what he likes, I guess.
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Originally Posted by rezo
Because there was one way Nintendo could have fucked up the DS but didn't, they're correcting their oversight in its successor.