WikiLeaks - Official Thread

Amazon is selling a Kindle version of the wikileaks reports.

Amazon is un-DDOS-able. Anon should really pick a better target.

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Originally Posted by Type Ryan

What I don't agree with is releasing everything to the public like a fucking international TMZ/gossip site.

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They have released less than 1% of what they were given. Have you read the cables? Some names are being removed.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Thief already made this argument. The privacy of individuals is more important than the privacy of government. What I do is with my own life and my own self-made cash is nobodies business unless I'm suspected of murdering people or something that affects everyone else. The government represents you. When they do something backhanded, dishonorable, and deceitful they do it in your name (with your money). You might as well have filled up a wagon full of little boys and wheeled them in to the Iraqi police department to be raped yourself. ESPECIALLY so if you support it.

I believe some things should be secret. Military attacks and ongoing campaigns, the names and any information that could put peoples lives in danger. But this? All this is doing is exposing the actions of the United States - mostly for the interests of giant corporations for the intention of profit (not good - and remember profit and good aren't mutually exclusive).

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I believe in the freedom of information, but we don't live in a peaceful age when everyone's holding hands and playing nice. We live in a world where bad people are trying to harm people like you and me, people who just want to mind their own business and live life they way they see fit. I don't buy into FUD or all the fear tactics out there. However, I'm also aware that there are people out there with extreme views, who cannot be talked down, who mean harm.

I've said it before, I'm not entirely against WL, but when certain things are said in secret (like sites critical to national security), it's done so to prevent those who intend harm from getting that information (and also to ensure actions are taken to protect those sites). If they get it on their own that's one thing, but loose lips sink ships. When that information gets out, you open the possibility of making yourself more vulnerable to attack than you already were. I'm pretty sure that WL would be under less fire had they not released the cable showing the sites critical to US national security. Imo, the public did not need to know that information. What crime was he exposing? It had nothing to do with some Shell/Nigerian connection or about boys being pimped out in Iraq. Assange has his own agenda and not all of it is in MY country's best interest.

Side note, I thought this was a good read.

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Originally Posted by Type Ryan

we don't live in a peaceful age when everyone's holding hands and playing nice.

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We never have. We should not let that deter us from living in a society where our government is transparent.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Thief already made this argument. The privacy of individuals is more important than the privacy of government. What I do is with my own life and my own self-made cash is nobodies business unless I'm suspected of murdering people or something that affects everyone else. The government represents you. When they do something backhanded, dishonorable, and deceitful they do it in your name (with your money). You might as well have filled up a wagon full of little boys and wheeled them in to the Iraqi police department to be raped yourself. ESPECIALLY so if you support it.

I believe some things should be secret. Military attacks and ongoing campaigns, the names and any information that could put peoples lives in danger. But this? All this is doing is exposing the actions of the United States - mostly for the interests of giant corporations for the intention of profit (not good - and remember profit and good aren't mutually exclusive).

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I believe in the freedom of information, but we don't live in a peaceful age when everyone's holding hands and playing nice. We live in a world where bad people are trying to harm people like you and me, people who just want to mind their own business and live life they way they see fit. I don't buy into FUD or all the fear tactics out there. However, I'm also aware that there are people out there with extreme views, who cannot be talked down, who mean harm.

I've said it before, I'm not entirely against WL, but when certain things are said in secret (like sites critical to national security), it's done so to prevent those who intend harm from getting that information. If they get it on their own that's one thing, but loose lips sink ships. When that information gets out, you open the possibility of making yourself more vulnerable to attack than you already were. I'm pretty sure that WL would be under less fire had they not released the cable showing the sites critical to US national security. Imo, the public did not need to know that information. What crime was he exposing? It had nothing to do with some Shell/Nigerian connection or about boys being pimped out in Iraq. Assange has his own agenda and not all of it is in MY country's best interest.

Side note, I thought this was a good read.

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Originally Posted by Type Ryan

but loose lips sink ships

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In time of actual war yes, when applied to certain people telling certain information on future plans. After the fact ALL information about what our government does should be as transparent as possible. This does include foreign and military relations. No compromise on this.

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Originally Posted by Bojack

In time of actual war yes, when applied to certain people telling certain information on future plans. After the fact ALL information about what our government does should be as transparent as possible. This does include foreign and military relations. No compromise on this.

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When someone tries to blow some shit up in a town I consider my backyard, I consider it war. It may not be "official" war, but the threat is very real and I don't take it lightly.

EDIT: I'm not sure why my previous post is listed twice, but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Razor Ramon

We never have. We should not let that deter us from living in a society where our government is transparent.

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I believe in government transparency, but I guess we just have different views on how transparent our government needs to be.