Why Is College Hella Wasteful?

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Butt, it's absolutely trivial to normalize for test scores and the like in poor neighborhoods. First year stats student trivial. Even the worst schools have good students and colleges do look for them.

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That is irrelevant.

You are forgetting the admittance exam that I have mentioned like, what, five times now?

It would not be like it is now where either 1) the SAT/ACT requirements are set very low and 2) they normalize the test scores of poor neighborhoods. You are assuming that the admittance system would stay the same way it is now. It would not.

Everyone would be made to take admittance test and the best would get in. People from poor areas would be at a disadvantage because of their poor previous education. Do you really think they would take the time curve up the test scores of people from bad areas? And if so, would it even be enough?

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

This is pure bullshit, but I didn't realize that until I left school. The difference between a "good GPA" and a "great GPA" is more often than not, pure fucking hard work. Your "good memory" comes from studying the concepts until you can't stand it anymore. You're "better at taking tests at 8 am" because you sleep instead of cramming until 5 am.

Instead of going to parties, you work. Instead of going to the bar, you work. Instead of slacking off that one night because you're "tired", you drink a cup of coffee and hit the books.

I'm not saying you NEED to do this to be successful, but there are a lot of people who do it, and from calling these people "mcNerd pants" with a "nerd GPA" it sounds like you are just jealous.

I know a bunch of people who went to very prestigious medical and law schools, and all they did was study nonstop for four years. They are rewarded for their success by being able to go to these schools and I am sure they will be excellent at what they do and be very well paid, because they paid their dues.

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While I agree with you in principle, I have zero respect for the "book smart" of the world who have to study 24/7 to memorize formulas and the like instead of truly grasping, understanding, and applying them. The members of the former group are absolutely worthless in the real world except in positions that are purely process driven, because real world problems aren't scheduled ahead of time, so they can't study up to be ready. I'd much rather work with a guy who only uses 80% of his 500 horsepower than a guy who uses 100% of his 300 horsepower.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

While I agree with you in principle, I have zero respect for the "book smart" of the world who have to study 24/7 to memorize formulas and the like instead of truly grasping, understanding, and applying them. The members of the former group are absolutely worthless in the real world except in positions that are purely process driven, because real world problems aren't scheduled ahead of time, so they can't study up to be ready. I'd much rather work with a guy who only uses 80% of his 500 horsepower than a guy who uses 100% of his 300 horsepower.

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A lot of these people could've easily gotten 3.0-3.3 just by showing up. It takes a lot of work to get up to the 3.6+ area, especially in pre-med or something like that. It doesn't matter how smart you are. There are a lot of people who graduate pre-med with very high GPAs and not all of them are Doogie Howser.

There go the tags.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

A lot of these people could've easily gotten 3.0-3.3 just by showing up. It takes a lot of work to get up to the 3.6+ area, especially in pre-med or something like that. It doesn't matter how smart you are. There are a lot of people who graduate pre-med with very high GPAs and not all of them are Doogie Howser.

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I agree. There is a certain point where nearly everyone has to study, which hopefully weeds out the book smart crew, as there just aren't enough hours in the day for them to keep up.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

This is pure bullshit, but I didn't realize that until I left school. The difference between a "good GPA" and a "great GPA" is more often than not, pure fucking hard work. Your "good memory" comes from studying the concepts until you can't stand it anymore. You're "better at taking tests at 8 am" because you sleep instead of cramming until 5 am.

Instead of going to parties, you work. Instead of going to the bar, you work. Instead of slacking off that one night because you're "tired", you drink a cup of coffee and hit the books.

I'm not saying you NEED to do this to be successful, but there are a lot of people who do it, and from calling these people "mcNerd pants" with a "nerd GPA" it sounds like you are just jealous.

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actually, no, I am one of the people you just described. And I've seen plenty of situations where people are in the same study groups, and put forth the same amount of work and one will get a B and the other an A. And I've seen situations were people would just dick off and get A's while the people who studied all week got Bs.

I've seen it happen enough that I don't really equate grades with knowledge anymore. I work hard and I get maybe an A or a B. Sometimes I might get a C because the teacher felt like being a dick and counting off for me leaving my units off or something else trivial that doesn't have much to do with understanding the material itself. Or maybe they had to go on a trip and decided to just give another teacher's test. LOL everyone will fail it, but whatever, teacher will just rank the grades at the end.

And not everyone can be that guy all the time. I have a couple doctors in my family. One of which had to repeat a year of medical school because of losing his father. But hey, Calliander thinks that guy should be flipping burgers. To bad for him that "Life happened" and his grades dropped. Sucks to be him. He should have sucked it up I guess. Pulled his ass up by the boot straps.

And I know that you personally know this. Sometimes shit happens. There is no difference between bad things happening or making bad choices and you losing your job or house and bad things happening and your grades suffering for it. Bad shit happens and your life reflects it. Be it health care, money, or self improvement.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

I know a bunch of people who went to very prestigious medical and law schools, and all they did was study nonstop for four years. They are rewarded for their success by being able to go to these schools and I am sure they will be excellent at what they do and be very well paid, because they paid their dues.

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Yeah, and they probably paid to get in there. I wonder if they would have all gotten in if admissions were based purely on being the best of the best. Were all of them really able to score better than everyone else there? I realize they probably already had to do some of that to get in. But would they be able to do it a second time if the requirements were even stricter?

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I agree. There is a certain point where nearly everyone has to study, which hopefully weeds out the book smart crew, as there just aren't enough hours in the day for them to keep up.

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I'm not sure I follow. How are you defining book smart, if it isn't a person that has to study?

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

I'm not sure I follow. How are you defining book smart, if it isn't a person that has to study?

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If you had to study at all in high school or very much in most undergrad majors, you're book smart at best.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

A lot of these people could've easily gotten 3.0-3.3 just by showing up. It takes a lot of work to get up to the 3.6+ area, especially in pre-med or something like that. It doesn't matter how smart you are. There are a lot of people who graduate pre-med with very high GPAs and not all of them are Doogie Howser.

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A lot of pre-med is a joke anyway. Like Physics without calc.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

Sometimes I might get a C because the teacher felt like being a dick and counting off for me leaving my units off or something else trivial that doesn't have much to do with understanding the material itself. Or maybe they had to go on a trip and decided to just give another teacher's test. LOL everyone will fail it, but whatever, teacher will just rank the grades at the end.

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Yea, the teachers are out to get you.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

Yeah, and they probably paid to get in there.r?

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You really have no idea how admissions work do you? But yea a few of them actually did get free rides because of their grades.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

But would they be able to do it a second time if the requirements were even stricter?

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Some people do whatever it takes.