Why Is College Hella Wasteful?

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

To me I think he genuinely doesn't grasp the concept. (apropos given the subject of some people being unable to think on a higher level).

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I probably grasp the concept better than most here.

Most people here have the opinion that they have because they feel that such a system would have benefited them while they were in school and now that they are out of school. They picture a magical ideal where they would have gotten free school and competition for their career would be eliminated.

I realize that it is anecdotal to some degree, but I actually know people who come from countries with fully free colleges. I've talked to at least 30 different people about it. All really smart people. The US sponges them up because by US standards, they are amazing students. But they can not get into a college in their own home countries, or can not get into the programs that they want into because of the really high standards.

Frankly, I would take the word of a very intelligent PhD student over some bachelor of arts kids who wish they didn't have to pay back their students loans, or compete with dumb asses for jobs.

I guess that makes me stupid. But whatever. I got labeled that here a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

I also think he's a bit lazy himself. He mentioned his teacher penalizing him for leaving shit out on his workbench while building a project. The teacher obviously told everyone to put shit away yet he didn't. Forgetting is only an excuse once. And in a shop scenario keeping things clean is taught for job site safety and efficiency. From autoworkers to chefs. They're all taught to keep a lid on the mess.

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I guess we are both in that lazy boat, because you're too lazy to remember facts. I don't believe that scenario ever happened. But you're free to do a search and quote it.

But if you are trying say that I am defending my own interest, you are probably right. I am in college to fucking learn. Not compete with other people. I enrolled, I paid my fucking money, lets do some learn'n. Others are defending their interest in that they want less competition in the work force, or they want out of debt. I want an environment focused on individual achievement and learning. Not an academic rat race. There is enough of that after you graduate.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

:wtf: Everything is a competition. Everything.

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only if you're an asshole

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

Most people here have the opinion that they have because they feel that such a system would have benefited them while they were in school and now that they are out of school. They picture a magical ideal where they would have gotten free school and competition for their career would be eliminated.

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LOL nice projecting.

Any type of "good job" that gets good money will have lots of competition, because people will rise up to the challenge. That's the nature of the beast. I won't get into the details of my job, but needless to say, if I didn't rise up, somebody else would.

No, Yoshi is spot on.

If learning is all that is important, then why is a university education necessary? Community college has a lot of the same information, and usually only costs a fraction of going to a big school.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

A lot of people sucking up scarce college resources really should be in vocational school

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How much of this is the result of ego? Why not go to a different college?

I don't think I live in the same world that most of you live in. I was unaware that there were state colleges with so much money thrown at them by dumb asses, that they fill up within days and there is no room for genuinely good students.

This thread is the first I've heard of this phenomenon. Seriously, I've never met a sad American that was distraught because he couldn't get into the college he wanted because it was filled with rich stupid people.

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Originally Posted by Tones

No, Yoshi is spot on.

If learning is all that is important, then why is a university education necessary? Community college has a lot of the same information, and usually only costs a fraction of going to a big school.

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Community College really has nothing to do with anything in this argument. They get a lot of state funding already. If all state colleges were to go that rout, many would probably close or gain stricter enrollment requirements too.

There is really only so much money to go around.


Personally I don't think there anything wrong with CC. I went to one for my first two years of school because the price was 1/4 of uni.

But to think that is where all the "dumb" people would go is naive. All the funding would be coming out the same bucket at that point.

I had two friends in high school who both applied to Duke. The one with worse grades and worse test scores got in, solely because he was Middle Eastern. The white Jew didn't, because religion didn't count as a minority. Now neither of them were anything resembling stupid, and the white guy ended up at Vandy, but it's still a clear example that the best and brightest don't get the spots.

Community college is virtually worthless if you go to a real school.

I went for two quarters when I took some time off (to live at home) and it was ridiculous how effortless it was. And it was a 'good' one too.

It has its pluses, but "being kind of like a university" is not one of them. Because it isn't.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

LOL nice projecting.

Any type of "good job" that gets good money will have lots of competition, because people will rise up to the challenge. That's the nature of the beast. I won't get into the details of my job, but needless to say, if I didn't rise up, somebody else would.

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That is not projecting. That is arguments others are making.

They do not like debt due to college tuition and want that to go away.
They think the people in college now are stupid and devalue their achievements.
They do not like competing with these stupid people in the work force.
Many think that education is only for those that can score high.


And your post about "good job" is irrelevant. You should not seek higher education for purely monetary reasons. It should not be treated as an extension of working. If you believe it should, maybe you should have went to vocational school.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

I had two friends in high school who both applied to Duke. The one with worse grades and worse test scores got in, solely because he was Middle Eastern. The white Jew didn't, because religion didn't count as a minority. Now neither of them were anything resembling stupid, and the white guy ended up at Vandy, but it's still a clear example that the best and brightest don't get the spots.

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You're bigotry over affirmative action has little to do with anything.

The middle eastern friend didn't get in because he was a stupid rich guy.