Mel Gibson's Drunken Racist Meltdown: The Revenge

Frog, like it or not, the concept of racism has changed in the modern world.

In the 50s, people looked at a person's skin color and made assumptions about that person. Behavior, dress, social status did not matter. A racist would look at a well dresses married black man, that was also good at math and loved reading Shakespeare, and assume that it was all for show and that the man secretly wanted to rape white women, thieve some chickens and burn down a white man's house.

Now, most people, except a real through and through racist would not bat an eye at such a man today. They'd think, "well, good for him. I wish my worthless brother was such an upstanding man"

In the year 2010, racism and culturism are mixed. Most people will like anyone that acts like they do and comes from where they do. But if they meet a person that acts differently, well, the shit hits the fan. If someone walks into a store, with pants hung low, a gangsta walk, bling all over the place, etc, etc, he might get called a nigger, and get nigger things assumed about him. And such an assumption would have less to do with him being black and more to do with the culture he expressed that he was part of.

That is why I called people who think such things, bigots. They are judging others on how they act, or their cultural background. Not purely on their skin color.

secondly, most Americans still hold the idea of the racist as the one from the 50s. They have this firm image that a racist is a person that judges others because of their skin color. The average bigot therefore feels that its ok to hate minorities for how they act. They excuse themselves because they are not hating based on looks.

And this image of the racist isn't going to change for most people. It has been too demonized. It is too much a part of the American culture. It is iconic.


And as I said before, if anyone wants the racist behavior to change in the US, you have to combat bigotry and stop using the word "racist." Most people aren't going to accept that a few racist actions make them a racist.

The actual arguement ended pages ago, so now we get to Frog and Drew's neverending semantics arguement with BC chiming in just in time to completely miss the point and push his own weird self-contradicting agenda. Someone needs to lock this shit before the board swallows itself and creates a hole in space time.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple

It took Mel Gibson being an asshole for TNL to show it's true colors.

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I see your true colours shining through. I see your true colours and that's why I love youuuuu!!!

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Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater

I was totally with Frog until he pulled out the "Canadians can't know racism" card.

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Originally Posted by Pineapple

When Neo speaks, you fucking listen.

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QFMFT!

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Originally Posted by Shakey

The actual arguement ended pages ago, so now we get to Frog and Drew's neverending semantics arguement with BC chiming in just in time to completely miss the point and push his own weird self-contradicting agenda. Someone needs to lock this shit before the board swallows itself and creates a hole in space time.

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Well then at least something will have finally come of the Drew Frog arguments.

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Originally Posted by Advocate

I see your true colours shining through. I see your true colours and that's why I love youuuuu!!!

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Oh lord here we go again...

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Originally Posted by Shakey

The actual arguement ended pages ago, so now we get to Frog and Drew's neverending semantics arguement with BC chiming in just in time to completely miss the point and push his own weird self-contradicting agenda. Someone needs to lock this shit before the board swallows itself and creates a hole in space time.

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I don't think Drew's arguing semantics, but I really don't know what he's doing. Every time I argue with him, he'll post the same garbage ad nauseum no matter how many times you point out that no one was talking about it. I really should know better, it's like the fourth time we've gone there.

Apologies, I'll ignore him from now on.

Feel free to ignore this and ignore the fact that Shakey was talking about you too (the only difference is I don't give a shit about other people). Just for posterity:

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Racism is not the word nigger.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

By that same token, Racism is not being a dick to every black person. Most racists aren't going to have a problem with Whoopi Goldberg. She doesn't really represent what they hate. Mel was not trying to say something to hurt a black person he was mad at, he was casually throwing it out in a dehumanizing way when it had really nothing to do with what he was talking about, which says to me that he probably talks like that all the time and thinks that way too.

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1) Racism is not being a dick to every black person? (so... that's wrong. it's being a dick to the majority of black people because of their race)

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2) A racist would hate Whoopi Goldberg because she's black. Because of her race. That's a racist for you. Those kooky bastards.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

No. A racist is someone who hates someone for the colour of their skin. A racist would hate Whoopi by that and that alone.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

That's fucking stupid. If that's true than I've never met a racist in my life.

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Here you admit you have no experience with racists. Until apparently 10 seconds later when you try to depict the racist mind in action. Note you are painting the picture of a racist going rabid with blind rage, and no one has said anything like that at all. Just said a racist hates people based on race. That's the prerequisite for the label. You are actually agreeing with everyone yet still managing to argue. Congrats you're now making an argument based on what you wrongly assume everyone is talking about, but no one really is:

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Racists don't go into a blind rage because of how someone looks, they make broad, ignorant, and incorrect assumptions about somebody until they're confronted with enough evidence to the contrary. They fill in the gaps in their knowledge with hate, and they direct hatred toward the group. That doesn't mean they don't acknowledge exceptions.

There's no one who's going to see Whoopi Goldberg and think she's going to rob them, get into a physical altercation, or mooch off the welfare system. That's not how racism works. Stop making racists into mythical creatures. Have you ever met and talked to a racist?

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And people disagree.

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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv

rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I see nothing in there about making exceptions, until confront with data, or any of that other bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

Frog, you're writing your own definition of racist.

So yes, Drew is right. A real racist would hate whoopie. He would look at the color of her skin and believe that she is full of a long list of vile of things. There would be no free pass because she is in "white movies" or "acts white" or any other such stupid shit.

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Originally Posted by YellerDog

Have you ever met a real dyed-in-the-wool racist, Frog? I promise IP has.

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This is why this isn't a semantic argument. You are making racism about more than it is. It is people treating a segment of people differently solely based on race (and not individual merit). The End.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Thank you, white boy from the middle of nowhere Canada, for telling me how racism works.

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I should have just said you're welcome loud mouthed jew from New York and left it at that.

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

I should have just said you're welcome loud mouthed jew from New York and left it at that.

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So, don't be afraid to let them show ... I see your true colours ... true colours!

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Originally Posted by Drewbacca

I should have just said you're welcome loud mouthed jew from New York and left it at that.

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Philadelphia, for the record.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Philadelphia, for the record.

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Your face, your ass, what's the difference?