phew. Just today I was nice to three. That means I only gotta choke back the bile and smile at one tomorrow.
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phew. Just today I was nice to three. That means I only gotta choke back the bile and smile at one tomorrow.
It just means that the ones you're not nice to, you're not nice to for reasons other than being racist. It's not that complicated.Quote:
Does that mean that in order to not be racist, you have to be nice to all? What about a vast majority? Or would 51% work?
But it is! If you are mean or rude to anyone of color you are immediately declared a racist no matter what activity they were a part of that brought such meanness and rudeness to the forefront. What is a body to do? You can't declare that you have black friends because that has become the stereotype of the racist. Do you say No asshole, I'm not a racist, I just called you a nigger because you walked in here with your half smoked cigarette behind your ear stinking up the store, made the female employee uncomfortable with your sexual advances, proceeded to interrupt me every time I was on the phone or talking to another customer. Would that be acceptable?
I'm not saying using the word nigger automatically makes you racist, but if you give a fuck about being accused of it, it probably isn't the best word choice.
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Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
No, two, being nice to three only makes you more racist by way of overcompensation. Trying to hard stinks of white guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
http://www.the-nextlevel.com/tnl/att...chmentid=56071Quote:
Originally Posted by Shine
Forgot all about this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Then you honestly have never met a racist in your life. Which I'm sure any black man could attest to being treated differently because of their skin. In South Africa a popular sports journalist up here in Canada (Cabbie) was told he wasn't allowed in a club because he was a black man. This was by a black bouncer. Because he was black. Not because he was a dick (Cabbie is amazing), or because they didn't agree. But because he was black.
I think you are lazy and being lazy in your approach to the issue. People make generalizations about race. Sometimes they are true and funny (black man = chicken, irish = drunk) and sometimes they hinder the life of a well-to-do person. There is a line.
I don't see how I'm making racists in to mythical beasts. In fact I'm telling you the opposite. Just because someone drops a nigger doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist. He could have been mad at a black guy and said something to hurt him in return. Almost always when that happens the guy in question has remorse about the situation. Because he was hot under the collar. That man isn't a racist, he made a morally wrong decision. When a black man is in need that man who said nigger may go out of his way to help. Likewise a man who doesn't say nigger because it's taboo (for good reason) may pass by the same scenario without helping the man in need. This is the claim the NAACP makes about affirmative action. Bosses weren't hiring black guys because they were black. Even when they were much more qualified for the position.Quote:
There's no one who's going to see Whoopi Goldberg and think she's going to rob them, get into a physical altercation, or mooch off the welfare system. That's not how racism works. Stop making racists into mythical creatures. Have you ever met and talked to a racist?
That is why I said racism isn't the word nigger. It can be. But you're being juvenile and simple about a complex set of relationships and it's, quite frankly, embarrassing to have to explain it to a grown man who I considered intelligent.
Apology accepted. That was my point. Mel Gibson has a history of saying racist things. But according to Whoopi Goldberg the man she knows did not harbour hatred to black people. So maybe he is just a loud mouth hot head. I don't really care, either way. I don't know Mel Gibson and don't ever plan to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I have an Aryan friend who is racist and always has to say something about how clean cut, well dressed, spoken, and how nice -- but not flashy -- a car his drug dealer has.
Drew, please do me a favor and shut the fuck up until you finish reading my posts. It's just really obvious to me you have no idea what I'm even talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
You know why that shit was in the news, Drew? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING HAPPEN THAT MUCH. I'm just saying for every 1 of those there's 100 dudes with a black friend that pitch a bitch when their sister or daughter brings a black guy home, and 100 more dudes who get along with their black coworkers who go home and pitch a bitch that a few black people moved in across the street from them.
This is real, everyday racism. I know you live in a notoriously politically-sensitive country with a 2% black population and you're not exposed to the kinds of prejudice not-famous black people have to deal with every day, but it's not lynchings and it's not being thrown out of public places. It's much more subtle and much more pervasive that, and it's not something that's going to make headlines.
Where is this even coming from? Of course there's a line between observational humor and the practice of discrimination. No one here has confused this point, and I have never called anyone racist for the language they use or for making jokes. It's discriminatory behavior and feelings of superiority that define racism, not observing cultural differences.Quote:
I think you are lazy and being lazy in your approach to the issue. People make generalizations about race. Sometimes they are true and funny (black man = chicken, irish = drunk) and sometimes they hinder the life of a well-to-do person. There is a line.
Again, NO ONE said otherwise. Stop being retarded. All I said was that if you have a habit of being a racist fuck all the time, you're a racist. EVEN IF you're nice to Whoopi Goldberg.Quote:
Just because someone drops a nigger doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist.
I never said Mel Gibson was a racist, I just said I don't think Whoopi is in a position to pardon him without knowing how he treats others.
I never argued against that point, you stupid fuck. Notice I didn't even quote that part when I responded you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
You wanted to call him a Canuck didn't you, you racist.
It took Mel Gibson being an asshole for TNL to show it's true colors.
But that's in South Africa. You're basically saying racism isn't normally relevant to black people in America, and when it is it's newsworthy. That's fucked up and incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
No, you (and a few others) are saying you can't be racist unless you demonstrate it to ALL members of a race, and that there's no room for inconsistency or hypocrisy among racists. That's stupid.Quote:
Nobody is arguing racism isn't subtle. Everyone is saying that.
Agreed. He can also be nice to Whoopi and be a racist in most of his interactions with blacks. I DON'T KNOW IF MEL IS RACIST TOWARD BLACKS, there's not enough evidence either way. That's all I'm saying. Period. Stop imagining a fake argument where I give a fuck if someone says nigger on the phone.Quote:
Mel Gibson can say nigger and not be a racist.
Ah, I see. Because racists are 100% logical and always driven by reason and not emotion and ignorance, therefore there are never inconsistencies in how they treat different people.Quote:
A racist would hate Whoopi because she's black and inferior because of that and most likely attribute her success to the desecration of society.
Thank you, white boy from the middle of nowhere Canada, for telling me how racism works. Because I didn't grow up in the ghetto, and I didn't live in minority neighborhoods my whole life, and I don't know any black people and I don't see people treat them like shit and then smile at others. Because I haven't dated black girls for most of my life and seen people who were PERFECTLY FINE before suddenly turn into racists because now I'm dating a black girl. I guess I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE with racism so I don't know the fucking CBC Racism Manual that all racists follow.
You're just ignorant. I'm not going to let you lecture me on this.
I was totally with Frog until he pulled out the "Canadians can't know racism" card.
When Neo speaks, you fucking listen.
I didn't say that. It's just obvious to me that Drew doesn't have a good feel for the kind of racism I've seen in my life. I'd chalk that up to growing up with different experiences. I didn't throw in all of Canada or all Canadians, but it's just obvious to me he doesn't have experience with how hypocritical racists are.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoZeedeater
I'd have said the same thing if he was from anywhere else where the racial dynamic would be different (obviously racism still exists everywhere, but it's definitely different in different areas).
Maybe he does have a wealth of experience with it and he's just dumb, I don't know. I'm spitballing.
Mel Gibson is awesome.
Frog: God dammit, I did it again. I hit edit instead of reply and the interface looks the goddamn same.
I've admitted nothing. I've just always thought actions speak louder than words, but that doesn't seem to be true anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
No, you don't know racism so you don't know racism. This is either because you haven't been exposed, aren't very observant, or are being willfully ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Alright, Drew, motherfucker, I want you to supply quotes to show me where your kooky bullshit is coming from. And to prove to me you can read. Just fill in the blanks where I say anything like any of these:
Show me where the fuck I said anything like this. Please.Quote:
1) Whoopi and Mel are an isolated incident.
Again, show me where I said anything close to this. I never said cheeks doesn't live with racism, he just confused the words "racist" and "bigot." It was an argument of vocabulary.Quote:
2) Cheeks lives in the south but somehow doesn't experience the same kind of uppity sister-in-law racism you do.
And I never said you did. It was a reductio absurdum argument based on narrowing the definition of racism into something uncommon. I said the kind of absolute, across the board extreme racism (i.e. Klansmen, Neo-Nazis, and institutionalized discrimination) is uncommon enough that most people don't have to deal with it in their every day lives.Quote:
3)I also never said racism isn't normally relevant to black people in American.
I said like THREE FUCKING TIMES that I never said anything to the contrary, and you're STILL FUCKING ON IT. I agreed with the statement the whole time. What does this have to do with all the wrong shit you said after it?Quote:
4) I said just because someone says nigger doesn't mean he's necessarily a racist.
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You aren't making an argument. You're just willfully insisting that smiling at Whoopi Goldberg means you aren't racist with no logic or argument whatsoever.Quote:
When you can't refute the argument of someone you tarnish their credentials for posing it.
Ha, I totally thought you were from somewhere in Alberta for some reason. All the less excuse you should be so completely blind to the obvious.Quote:
And apparently Toronto is the middle of nowhere Canada.
Frog, like it or not, the concept of racism has changed in the modern world.
In the 50s, people looked at a person's skin color and made assumptions about that person. Behavior, dress, social status did not matter. A racist would look at a well dresses married black man, that was also good at math and loved reading Shakespeare, and assume that it was all for show and that the man secretly wanted to rape white women, thieve some chickens and burn down a white man's house.
Now, most people, except a real through and through racist would not bat an eye at such a man today. They'd think, "well, good for him. I wish my worthless brother was such an upstanding man"
In the year 2010, racism and culturism are mixed. Most people will like anyone that acts like they do and comes from where they do. But if they meet a person that acts differently, well, the shit hits the fan. If someone walks into a store, with pants hung low, a gangsta walk, bling all over the place, etc, etc, he might get called a nigger, and get nigger things assumed about him. And such an assumption would have less to do with him being black and more to do with the culture he expressed that he was part of.
That is why I called people who think such things, bigots. They are judging others on how they act, or their cultural background. Not purely on their skin color.
secondly, most Americans still hold the idea of the racist as the one from the 50s. They have this firm image that a racist is a person that judges others because of their skin color. The average bigot therefore feels that its ok to hate minorities for how they act. They excuse themselves because they are not hating based on looks.
And this image of the racist isn't going to change for most people. It has been too demonized. It is too much a part of the American culture. It is iconic.
And as I said before, if anyone wants the racist behavior to change in the US, you have to combat bigotry and stop using the word "racist." Most people aren't going to accept that a few racist actions make them a racist.
The actual arguement ended pages ago, so now we get to Frog and Drew's neverending semantics arguement with BC chiming in just in time to completely miss the point and push his own weird self-contradicting agenda. Someone needs to lock this shit before the board swallows itself and creates a hole in space time.
I see your true colours shining through. I see your true colours and that's why I love youuuuu!!!Quote:
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QFMFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pineapple
Well then at least something will have finally come of the Drew Frog arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakey
Oh lord here we go again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
I don't think Drew's arguing semantics, but I really don't know what he's doing. Every time I argue with him, he'll post the same garbage ad nauseum no matter how many times you point out that no one was talking about it. I really should know better, it's like the fourth time we've gone there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakey
Apologies, I'll ignore him from now on.
Feel free to ignore this and ignore the fact that Shakey was talking about you too (the only difference is I don't give a shit about other people). Just for posterity:
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Originally Posted by Drewbacca
1) Racism is not being a dick to every black person? (so... that's wrong. it's being a dick to the majority of black people because of their race)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
and
2) A racist would hate Whoopi Goldberg because she's black. Because of her race. That's a racist for you. Those kooky bastards.
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Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Here you admit you have no experience with racists. Until apparently 10 seconds later when you try to depict the racist mind in action. Note you are painting the picture of a racist going rabid with blind rage, and no one has said anything like that at all. Just said a racist hates people based on race. That's the prerequisite for the label. You are actually agreeing with everyone yet still managing to argue. Congrats you're now making an argument based on what you wrongly assume everyone is talking about, but no one really is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
And people disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
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Originally Posted by Fe 26
This is why this isn't a semantic argument. You are making racism about more than it is. It is people treating a segment of people differently solely based on race (and not individual merit). The End.Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
I should have just said you're welcome loud mouthed jew from New York and left it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
So, don't be afraid to let them show ... I see your true colours ... true colours!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Philadelphia, for the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Your face, your ass, what's the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Stop posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
How can a thread about something as awesome as Mel Gibson showing off how batshit insane he is end up being so horrible?
because you haven't added anything of worth to it?
we can't do everything for you bbobb
All I want is for you all to not shit all over threads, yet you can't seem to handle it.
This is all he does. Though sometimes he goes to comedy clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Buttcheeks also does this.
Not the comedy clubs.
He goes to NASCAR or something instead.
Don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by bbobb
I don't want to speak for bbobb, but I think he was referring to cheeks.
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Originally Posted by Nash
Okay, WTF, can we stop arguing about fucking racism again, Frog, and just get back to the LULz?
Lazy Town sure has changed over the years.
I stopped participating in this argument 23 posts ago after the third time Drew tried to pull out "Racism is not the word nigger" and it became obvious he was either retarded or fucking with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shine
same can be said about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
Lets argue about who was arguing.
sounds like fun. How's it work?
bullshit
I deserve to be blown BEFORE the thread goes to shit.
too late
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Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HwbnFQdm3Q
I don't really feel like Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs is racist as much as it is just racial + old timey, which inherently makes us uncomfortable. If you made the cartoon today with updated ghetto stereotypes it probably wouldn't be all that uncomfortable.
Well, at least the pretty girl in that wasn't a damn yellow bone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
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But isn't the uncomfortable part, the part that makes it racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Frog is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
Oh My God!
Doc Holiday is Usher ... confirmed.
Yeah!!
OH-KAYYY!
I saw unrated version and thought it was something new. It's still good though.
Unrated version of what?
Secret!
Well what I'm saying is I don't think it's racist in the context of the time. They weren't being any more negative than any cartoon is when they poke fun of every other group. It didn't feel to me like they were trying to put down blacks as much as just mash up two things in a silly, funny way. It's racial, but not racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Advocate
It's a tad racist. The big red lips are a jab black people. And the main female is shown to be more promiscuous and sexual than her white counter parts are in cartoons from warner brothers at the time (her skirt is shorter. She's all lovey dovey with any male where a white female character would have looked sexual but withheld loven's).
But whatever. I like that cartoon. It moves with a lot of speed. And Warner brothers put a negative spin on most of their human characters back then. Elmer Fudd and yosemite sam are two white leading characters and they are both fucking incompetent. White, black, whatever, unless you were bugs bunny or the road runner, you were going to be the butt of the jokes at Warner brothers.
And Wile ... E ... Coyote-eee.
he's animal. Who gives a shit if animals are offended of sterotypes of them.
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Originally Posted by Fe 26
Right. The whole concept of a cartoon (i.e. a charicature) is to make the kind of sweeping exaggerations we avoid in other media. They're still like this, really, but they tend to avoid doing it with race as much as they used to, especially blacks. But almost every character in The Simpsons is a stereotype of some sort, including a few ethnic ones (Apu, Groundskeeper Willy, Bumblebee Man, etc). This kind of stuff isn't really wrongheaded or hateful towards the people it's parodying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
I think it might come off a lot worse it if they threw "superior" white people into the cartoon, but as it is, it comes off as cartoonists making fun in the way cartoonists do.
Curb Your Enthusiasm Season 7 had a Seinfeld reunion arc. I figured they'd be lame and just ignore the Michael Richards scandal, but they didn't.
Relevance at 1:10.
If you want to get technical about it, the reason those cartoons are not shown is not for the fact they are racist but in how they are racist. The black stereotypes are not simple exaggerations. Many of them make reference to black face charactures. That is why the studios distance themselves from them. They rely on a period of entertainment were it was ok to openly mock black Americans for the entertainment of whites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frogacuda
I meant that one (Coal Black) in particular. Some of the other ones are much more dangerous. The portrayal of slaves as lazy in the Elmer Fudd one is so racist and insensitive that it wouldn't even really occur to a normal person as being funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
I laughed at both. Especially the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
holy shit at the ending of that middle one
Re: Advocate
Probably because you're incredibly racist.
Probably?