Bioshock Infinite

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

It just doesn't do much well. Ok, the start when the aircraft crashes in the water, and you float down in the pod is pretty cool. It had a great intro.

But the way enemies are placed and weapons are placed is shit. It isn't like classics like doom where you had to figure out the right combination of gun/ammo and zig/zags to take out an area of monsters. You just get random shit and then random shit comes after you, and if they overpower you, whatever, you're just going to respawn. Just go zap them and hit them with a wrench. Hell, its not even put together as well as Left4Dead, that had a similar "how do I use the combination of weapons and ammo I have to clear this area"

its very much somewhere between good/bad game and bad/bad game

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The idea is that every situation can be dealt with in an open-ended fashion. Locking you into certain combinations would be antithetical to the Shock school of design. The problem (as you pointed out) is that the game is fairly easy and the ability to respawn kills a lot of the tension.

There are some cool ideas in there, but they weren't executed particularly well.

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Originally Posted by Fe 26

It just doesn't do much well. Ok, the start when the aircraft crashes in the water, and you float down in the pod is pretty cool. It had a great intro.

But the way enemies are placed and weapons are placed is shit. It isn't like classics like doom where you had to figure out the right combination of gun/ammo and zig/zags to take out an area of monsters. You just get random shit and then random shit comes after you, and if they overpower you, whatever, you're just going to respawn. Just go zap them and hit them with a wrench. Hell, its not even put together as well as Left4Dead, that had a similar "how do I use the combination of weapons and ammo I have to clear this area"

its very much somewhere between good/bad game and bad/bad game

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There's a difference between "overreaching" and just plain sucking.

Bioshock overreaches, and its plot is a little reheated, but it doesn't suck.

I don't understand complaints about the basic game design of Bioshock. Bioshock 2 and especially Minerva's Den prove that, with only a few tweaks, it can play spectacularly well.

Speaking of which, Bioshock 2 just updated on Steam and now includes Minerva's Den regardless of whether you bought that DLC on GFWL. So now none of you have any excuse to not play it.

Weapon wheel is back, yay! (Now if only they'd retcon it into Infinite itself...)

Bioshock Infinite literally got me back into current gen gaming. Apart from my 16-bit consoles and Neo Geo stuff, I hadn't touched a modern video game in a long while, but I picked up Infinite the day it came out and played it three times through in the course of a week or so. Yeah, it has it's share of issues, but I still totally adored it.

Curious, did you play Bioshock 1? Not sure how long you mean by long while. It's a great game, and I'd be really interested in an opinion going that direction (Infinite -> 1/2).

Yeah, I played Bioshock before this one. Then I went back and played it again after going through Infinite the third time. Still enjoyed the hell out of it. Bioshock 2... I didn't mind it for a ride through, but I had not much desire to return to it.

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