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Bioshock Infinite's beginning is like if Half-Life 2 started off the same exact way it does now- but as soon as you left the train station it gave you a choice to snap a puppies neck or cure cancer, with either outcome resulting in you shooting every nearby human in the face.
When that guy was like "You're a real soldier, pls kill my men," and his guys were like "wait what did he just say?" (not really but they should've been) I kind of checked out. It was dumb. Then that chick told me to do something else I didn't care about and I'd had enough.
I do love infinite. but ive been playing through bioshock 1 again, and i like the atmosphere,the powers, the enemies, and the weapon upgrades a lot better. It really bummed me out that you didn't any visual representation of your weapon upgrades. i love the way my fully upgraded shotgun looks.
It's also kinda odd that every weapon you pick up conveniently has all of the upgrades you've purchased every time! Lucky you!
You can also only carry two weapons, but no problem lugging a shit ton of bullets, including rockets.
Also, 1200 coins that seem to be larger than half-dollars.
Bioshock at least had super simplified hacking and researching, which is also now gone.
It's like games are regressing, even for console games.
Don't forget a wide selection of hats, boots, and other clothing items.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
You guys complain about absurd things.
Infinite is an absurd game that tries to take itself seriously.
Absurd would be better than boring, which this game is.
Yeah, after finishing Infinite I decided it was high time I pull out that copy of 2 I got for $5 with a coupon from Best Buy several months ago and play it. In very short order I was like, oh yeah, this is what combat in a Bioshock game is supposed to be. Infinite suffers immensely from the lack of hacking (granted you have the possession vigor, but there's both no risk involved and way fewer opportunity to use it), special ammo, and telekinesis (and movable objects to use it on), as well as the drastically more limited availability/stockpile-ability of salts as compared to eve. (On the flipside I'm only a couple hours in and I can already sense Levine's absence in the way less interesting characters and story.)Quote:
Originally Posted by JBNagis
Oh man, no special ammo, right.
Wow.
My expectations were low; I was just looking for another Bioshock.
I can see the no risk, but Possession was my third most used vigor behind Crows and Devil's Kiss. It might have actually been #2 by the end, since I used it roughly 8,000 times in the last fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gas
The actual story is very backloaded into the last hour or two of the game, which really blows.
mzo sounds like me when I first played Bioshock 1.
Same.
Yeah, when I typed that up I was only thinking of turrets and the like. It somehow slipped my memory that you can upgrade Possession to hit humans, even though I did it and spammed the hell out of it from then on. :sweat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
And to add to my earlier point: found the research camera, yet another great element in 1 and 2 that Infinite drops without satisfactorily making up for.
The Final Bosman on GT.
I like this guy.
He does good work.
Yeah in the end it really wasn't that great. I want to play HL1 again now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave is ok
Bioshock 1 was way better.
teehee!
Played up through Monument Tower. It's no Bulletstorm, but it's okay. The city is amazingly stilted and lifeless for all the work they clearly put into it.
Nothing is, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
is bulletstorm good? i have a chance to get it fo basically free, should i?
Also Infinit is still a good game. It just kind of pales in comparison to Bioshock 1.its a good point that the world is lifeless, because it really doesnt feel lived in like Rapture did.
Yes, it rules.
Infinite does seem at times like this tourist place you go to visit rather than live in, but I don't think that's true in the whole game.
Usually when games try to create worlds anymore there's some kind of reaction in the people, even if it's just guards shoving the player for getting too close. Here they all just stand around like mannequins while I rub up against their butts and try to jump on their heads, and then when I get in front of them they sometimes realize I'm there and turn to look at me but will never move their bodies. I also like running around and doing the game's equivalent of saying hi (often getting close or having an interact button), but there's nothing in this game. Everyone just stands around, no one moves, no one says anything except for a couple unrelated snippets.
One time I found this guy chilling in a house and he just stared at me. I ran up to him but since there's no interact button I couldn't try to make conversation or ask if he was doing anything. There wasn't anything in the room so I wasn't sure why he was there, and he wasn't calling the cops or freaking out about the antichrist, or wondering why some guy who likes to dig through trash cans to pull out half-eaten cake and finish it off was chilling in his house going through all his shit and breaking stuff. Eventually I punched him in the face and he died, as reactionless as he lived. He might have had a mental condition. I'm pretty sure I was doing him a favor from his attempts to live life like a normal person, pretending to have feelings and friends, but really he was dead inside. Ever since his mother died from pneumonia when he was young he had never really felt like going on, but everyone told him that it was normal to feel down for a while and that he should get better. He never did, but he pretended so he could try and fit in. Every day after that he died a little more, unable to ever really have feelings, until the day when the crazy psychopath armed with a magnetic blender walked into his house and stared at him. He prayed for death, something to tear him away from this horrible pretend life that he was sick of doing. Finally, mercifully, sweet release was granted.
But yeah, creepy world of lifeless puppets.
Yeah but that's always going to be an advantage that games without non-enemy NPCs will have. It's difficult to have that kind of interaction in a focused game. You see it a lot more in open world games.
Half-Life 2 puts this game to shame. I'm not saying there needs to be dialogue trees or whatever, but having no way to even get Shenmue canned responses from the populace just strikes me to how they created this world and populated it with a ton of NPCs and then just like forgot to code anything for them.
I do like punching people into being on fire. The game does have that.
grabbed bulletstorm special edition for free. dam this thing is fun with some damn witty writing for a bro shooter. ill take this over cod any damn day.
on topic: i was disappointed with how the whole songbird thing went down. i was expecting more.
Writing and story is GREAT in Bulletstorm.
I actually hated Bulletstorm. The Bro crap was annoying and the whip was basically a gimmick. I beat the game without using it for the last two stages.
The game was (obviously) a parody of bro shooters and the whip ruled.
Mind you I didn't like Vanquish either. So, my opinion might be shitty to TNL standards.
some of the writing is golen. the kill your dicks comment and response was great. it was perfect bro shooter parody.
How did you play the game without the whip? That's the whole point of the game.
Yeah, but it got WAY too serious near the end, though. Not even in the "not enough jokes" way. The drama and moral dilemma just wasn't successful after 8 hours of ass, balls, fuck, balls, dick, balls and "Waggleton P Tallylicker"Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Y'all have low standards for humor. Bulletstorm was fucking tedious.
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Originally Posted by icarusfall
Or you guys are just uptight old ladies?
Bulletstorm is great all around up until the big dino battle, then it's just killing time to the end. Much like Bioshock, someone told them the game was too short, and the last third is pure filler, where even the story turns into a shitshow.
But we have to get the game out of the way to make room for the Art.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
I beat this in two days when I rented it, and a few weeks later my brother gave it to me for a birthday gift. I opened it that night since he wanted to see what the game was about but I haven't touched it since. I'm not thrilled with the story (and like Bioshock 1, it's only as interesting as your first time through), so I'm wondering if the 1999 mode and finding all the non-essential nonsense makes the tedious combat better? Or should I just get my $20 pittance from selling it?
Find a local mom and pop to trade it in, they usually give you really good prices (even if it's in-store credit).
The combat is so standard that I don't think 1999 will do a damn thing for it. I wrestled with picking between medium just to plow through or 1999 to hopefully make it more interesting, but after going with medium I think I made the right choice because I would be super bored playing through any of those areas more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
I should maybe also get back to it one of these days.
If you're not pleased with the game already, playing it on 1999 will just make everything worse to you.
They should add a 19.9 minute mode that only lets you play through the actual story bits.
They should hurry up and release some of that DLC.
The PC download is $35 on Amazon right now.
Steam activated?
Yes.
Sold.
For the break neck price of the six dollars I spent for something I traded in for forty. I fucking love Amazon.
This game is good.
In case you were all like "I wonder if Opaque thinks this game is good or bad?" Now you know.
I walk up to some people enjoying a play. Wondering what would happen, I unleash a barrage of magical crows on the actors which kills them and drops their bodies at the foot of the stage. The audience begins screaming and cowering in fear as I walk up to one of the bodies and begin beating on the head for no good reason, spraying blood everywhere. Elizabeth walks up behind me while I do this and asks me a question.
"So, is there a woman in your life?"
You'd think she would know the answer at that point.
What? That's not an average Tuesday for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Is the DLC ever coming out for this?
Every time this thread is bumped I get my hopes up that the DLC is coming.
DLC! The first will be on platforms that matter today. I'm glad I snagged that cheap season pass.
I could give a hoot about the horde mode one. But a noir story set in pre-uprising Rapture? Count me in!
Fail.
How nice of them to let us pay for solo horde mode on the maps from the multiplayer that they scrapped!
It might be fun to try all the combos and such in the first DLC, but really, how much paint huffing happened for them to think that releasing this was a good idea? I am sure that it was just a way to get something out and have the game stay relevant.
Excited about the other DLC though
Frankly I would have paid what I did for the Season Pass just for that second DLC, so everything else is icing.
I got Infoshock during the summer sale and played it for maybe 30 minutes. Seemed a bit self-indulgent.
I got the season pass FOR FREE and still think solo horde is bad.
How the hell did you swing that?
The combat is by far the worst part of the game and completely drags it down. Why would they make a piece of DLC which is nothing but? This is like making Assassin's Creed Den Defense DLC.Either that or just because it's a lazy way for them to eat up a season pass slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Season passes are like those long record deals. The band will put work into a few albums and then release a cover album, a live album, and a greatest hits to fulfill the terms of the contract.
BL2 did some great stuff and totally made the season pass worth it, but yeah, I can't think of any other company that has given a shit.
Preorder from Amazon, came with $30 2K Games Credit. Couldn't use it on the Season pass until a month passed, month passed and I used it on that and the Psycho Pass for Borderlands 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
BL2's season pass is the best Season Pass ever. The amount of (quality)content in that is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MechDeus
Ah, well played.
edit: I like the wrap up of the Eurogamer review of CitC:
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Originally Posted by Eurogamer
Corn in the Cob?
4u2(not)c
I liked running around blasting stuff, so the first works for me. But Burial at Sea is where it's really at.
I find Infinite's gunplay to be underrated. It isn't great but it's far better than 'terrible'. TLoU, now that is some terrible gunplay
Gunplay? TLoU, like Tomb Raider, was all about the bow and arrow.
I found it was okay after like five hours, then became boring as fuck. None of the new abilities or weapons were any good, and arena battles alone are fucking terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joust Williams
Yeah, it's not terrible or anything, it's just... there. It's that thing that happens when the game wants you feel like you're interacting with it.
Ken talks about Burial at Sea:
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/i...vine-interview
So the first DLC is set to highlight the part of this game no one liked in the first place, and the second goes scrambling back to Rapture because acting like you're above-it-all and artsy and don't *need* Rapture in a BioShock game only works until Infinite's price comes plummeting down. Then it's crash headfirst into reality, holy fuck we need Rapture DLC to shore up this game...
Basically.
Are you really complaining about playing DLC #2 & 3 in Rapture, though? I'm not.
I think Bioshock Infinite's combat is amazing. But evidently I'm in the minority.
I'd love to see a Deus Ex-style game set in Rapture, but you know it's going to be all shooting all the time. I think that's what depresses me most about BioShock Infinite - they built this amazing world, and all but a small number of interactions in it involve shooting things.
If it'll play like Bioshock 2 (or hell, even 1) then I wouldn't. But if it's the same combat hamstrung by its own imposed rules (2 vigors, 2 weapons at any time, no alt ammo, running down corridors from one set piece to another), then what difference does it make? It's in Rapture, but that would be cosmetic and hallow if the gameplay won't resemble the original as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaoofNee
2 vigors? What in the world? You had access to all that you had at all times.
bleh, typos
(less vigors, 2 weapons at any time)
and I may be wrong on the vigors part because a) I haven't played in a while b) it's not til late in the game that you get the last one and c) overall they felt like they were accomplishing less that what I remember from BioShock 1 & 2. Maybe you get the same amount at the end, but it still feels incredibly limiting.
The Vigors gives you the ability to experiment in combat. Using the alt fire to set traps and rapidly switching between Vigors depending on what you are fighting is the whole point. Did you guys just stick to lighting the whole time? I went nuts when I got Undertow. Yank snipers toward you to ruin their day, quickly shove fools off of ledges as you run by, pull one or more enemies into devil's kiss or shock jockey traps for ultimate crowd control. Don't play the game like it's Doom.
Did you finish Infinite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hero
Ken says the first half of Burial at Sea has no combat. Check out the video I posted on the 30th.Quote:
Originally Posted by bVork
Wow, he got the letters... that I never got around to writing. Good on you, Ken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
So far Clash in the Clouds is pretty fun; It's wave based battles with unique challenges set each wave so you vary combat. Although, it definitely is "stall by reconfiguring assets into a new game mode so we can work on Burial at Sea" DLC.
Yep, and Rapture's inclusion was part fan wank material and Levine's way of glibly saying "Rapture? PFT! I'm motherfuckin' ABOVE Rapture, artistically and in the case of Columbia, literally" as made apparent by the way Booker comments on see the place for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumpy
LOL wtf, it was ironic humor. He makes that comment after spending several hours in a flying city. In 19-goddamn-12.
I just got done with the whole Soldier's Field section. This game is better than I thought.
What lead you to believe this game wouldn't be excellent? I'm glad you're finally getting into it
What the FUCK is up with the comstock ghost fight?
If I answer... it spoils A LOT of the game.
No I mean why is it such a stupid, shitty, cheap difficulty spike asshole.
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Originally Posted by Diff-chan
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Originally Posted by Advocate
because you can't write overly-complex-for-the-sake-of into an actual boss battle, and Irrational sucks at making boss encounters.
(bright side is, you're almost done!)