World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

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Originally Posted by Opaque

Or you could have not been on a video game forum while at work.

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Tea break bro, energy drink and a browse of TNL, it's a ritual.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

Astro says I don't know how to play the game right to which I comment that it seems to me that it's fine to care about playing a game well and I give the supporting evidence of professional sports and how they were treated the same way in the past. Instead of being a normal human being and having an adult discussion he instead implies that his opinion should be more important than mine because he was helping patients for three hours, which is completely unrelated. After I make fun of that unrelated post for being written poorly he introduces an absurd situation where in if I was correct and being competitive in WoW was acceptable he would somehow need to make a 13 year old child wait on medical treatment so he could discuss competitive dragon slaying.

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This summary is incorrect.

I never was using my profession as a way of implying my opinion was more important than yours; my last two posts were not really a continuation of my previous argument at all. I just found it funny that after I went to work, you were still arguing so passionately about this; and that you picked apart a rushed iPhone post, considering the real life circumstances it was made in.

I will breakdown my argument for you here:

Sports are designed to be competitive, all sports are designed to have winners, most sports have professional bodies that control and create rules to maintain both fairness and healthy competition.

PvE WoW has never really been designed around competition; PvE WoW has always been designed around keeping people occupied for long enough that they will continue playing subscription fees, if you're cynical; or providing a fun interesting challenge to complete with some friends, if you're stupidly optimistic.

The only things I can think of that legitimize high-end raiding would be the Realm First titles in Wrath, or the designers always watching first attempts on a raid boss. But watching high-end guilds attempt bosses probably has more to do with interest in bugs and tuning.

High-end raiding is a meta-game created around the design of the game by the community. Will you find PvE ranking lists on BattleNet? Will you find parse rankings on BattleNet? World Firsts have always been about min/maxing beyond the tuning of a boss. Would a guild of only 25 people, with one character each, in a completely balanced raid composition, all playing perfectly, ever get a world first?

The answer is no.

Should stacking classes or playing for unhealthy amounts of time be considered "playing well".

I'm thinking no.

RF is not a top end guild. We're not serious enough, we're not organised enough, we don't have the talent pool, we don't care enough. But should we be treated/viewed as "baddies" by you and the mouth breathers on our server because we aren't super serious/don't spend ridiculous amounts of time killing internet dragons? No.

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I lost the argument by finally making a serious post :(

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Originally Posted by Opaque

But yeah, I'm the idiot.

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I'm not the one with the esoteric squiggly cross on my wrist.

I like to think that Opaque's 20k+ posts on TNL were all made with some retarded achievement of having higher post per day ratio on TNL than anyone else and he has been steadily working towards that goal for years.

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Originally Posted by Curtis

I... Really need to stop coming in here every now and then naively thinking "I'll see what the TNL kids are up to in the World of Warcraft."

Why would I keep thinking that's what this thread is about? Why?

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When only the RF people are posting that's often what it's about!

Last night we did our first 25man of the expansion, one shotting the first two bosses of Bastion and getting the third to 3% before some of us grew kinda annoyed at the whole thing. It's a nice thing for including people but it can be rough to see some stuff with so many spell effects going on and it feels so unorganized with all those people running around. Felt like a lot more room for error too, but either way I prefer 10mans now.

I can't believe we did 40man raids at one point. It feels so ridiculous.

I bet we could have easily downed everything in BWD if we had peaced out after V&T.

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Originally Posted by AstroBlue

High-end raiding is a meta-game created around the design of the game by the community.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

I'll grant you that it wasn't inherently, but the internet exists and the community turned it into a competition

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Tell me more.

It's interesting watching you say what I say a whole day later as if you think it's some opposing opinion. You're reading comprehension skills are top notch.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

You're reading comprehension skills are top notch.

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You're writing skills are two.

I got an item last night that turns me into a dragonkin. It's neat.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

You're reading comprehension skills are top notch.

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You can't be real.

Well fuck.

At least phonetially it makes sense. At least there's that.

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Originally Posted by Opaque

At least phonetially it makes sense. At least there's that.

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At least he has a sence of humor about it.

Fuck everybody in this thread, including me now. You guys are fucking retarded and I'm glad I quit.

Opaque campaigning his cause in here made me mad at work.