Crime & Punishment

It's a job that anyone with a free weekend and a handful of mics can accomplish.

Let's not overstate it.

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Originally Posted by icarusfall

It's a job that anyone with a free weekend and a handful of mics can accomplish.

Let's not overstate it.

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Bullshit. It takes more than 4 years of constant work to get in the neighborhood of "beginner". It's an unimaginably complex mix of science you can study and gut feeling that can't be propperly articulated. You've obviously never tried.

I have a degree in broadcasting.

I can edit analog tape.

Don't tell me how hard it is.

I did front of house sound for two grammy winners in sold out shows in the past few months. Damn right I'll tell you how hard it is.

Get back to me when you are actually using your degree at a high level.

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Originally Posted by Cheebs

And they are about as extraneous to music as the person manufacturing paint is to painted art. Cut them out and the artist is bogged down in learning how to make paint before art production can even begin.

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No, making paint would be comparable to building the instruments. Flawed analogy is flawed.

Whatever. Then making a movie with just the writers and actors. Good luck lighting and framing that one. Or making games with just the artists and scenario writers. Bet the engine would rock, eh?

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Originally Posted by Cheebs

That's not silly shit. That's people's lives. I am deep in the professional music business. I had to give up any studio dreams to do live almost exclusively, and even then only on a part-time level. I'm fine. Many others are not. It's carnage out there. All anybody sees are the singers and front men. It's so much more. Studio owners, techs, engineers, assistants, session players, managers...ruined.

And that's music alone. Keep this up and movies, games, and software will follow. We're fucked once software is fucked, because what else do we do in this country aside from Wall Street voodoo?

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Eventually the robots will put us all out of work and we can just do that shit for fun or in exchange for sexual favors. Unless the robots have that covered too.

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Originally Posted by Cheebs

Whatever. Then making a movie with just the writers and actors. Good luck lighting and framing that one. Or making games with just the artists and scenario writers. Bet the engine would rock, eh?

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You're terrible at this. Since you don't seem to realize this: the only thing people need to make music are the instruments. That's it. People made music for hundreds of years before managers and studio owners even existed, those are not positions required to make music happen. What you're listing are the people who make it easier and faster.

It would be equivalent to the special effects team for a movie. The movie can still be made without them, it just won't look as pretty.

[edit] Well, "real" instruments aren't even required for music, just for specific sounds.

Fuck off you morons. Back on topic.

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Originally Posted by Cheebs

I did front of house sound for two grammy winners in sold out shows in the past few months. Damn right I'll tell you how hard it is.

Get back to me when you are actually using your degree at a high level.

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So, now that you know I do, in fact, know what your job entails you want to discount my knowledge of it by measuring dicks.

Great.