Official Xbox One Thread

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

It's not down the road. It's right now. And Steam continues to be a shitty analogy, despite your and Diff's fondness of it. Every EULA you have accepted in the last 10 years says you don't own the IP you're about to play/watch/listen to. No amount of informed consumerism changes the IP laws.

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And yet in spite of that we have more choice than ever, while games are also cheaper and easier to get.

I bring up Steam because Valve and the publishers have that shit on lock and gamers love it. Just last year Valve changed the EULA and basically said if you don't agree to it you lose all your games and all access and there's nothing you can do. MS never did that and Sony never did that.

Microsoft isn't a trailblazer - they are trying to walk down well-worn paths. So clearly it's not as simple as hardcore gamers complaining here or on NeoGAF or GameFAQs make it out to be.

Which well worn path are you talking about? Are you back to the used games, which one of several areas in play here?

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

At this point, I do not even know what your argument is since it is wrapped in the hugest hypothetical ever.

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This is why you're confused:

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

You're comparing apples and oranges. Opportunity cost is not the same thing as a reduction in choices.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Yes it is.

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You're just flat out wrong here, and it's clouding everything else.

No, they are most definitely related here. You declined a DRM free SS2 in favor of one that can be taken away from you at Valve's decision. You valued x more than y and I am sure you had your reasons. There definitely was an opportunity cost associated with that decision. Not a very principled decision IMO :(

I totally agree. But I got to make that decision. It was not taken away from me.

What is being taken away from me? I can choose not to buy something just as you can.

For the record, I don't buy games on steam because of the stuff I don't like about them.

Jesus Christ. You cannot upgrade the internal hard drive. You cannot import games. You cannot use standard USB or even 360 accessories. Those choices and others are being taken away from you.

if it makes you feel better, if they do that, I'll find a way to fuck them back on each of those points

Then I don't buy the system? Just as DRM free didn't win you over....