Fe26 is always worried about people thinking he's gay or finding out he's gay or thinking his shoes look gay. It's seriously in every thread you make like this.
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Fe26 is always worried about people thinking he's gay or finding out he's gay or thinking his shoes look gay. It's seriously in every thread you make like this.
I use logic in my threads, sure I joke but Fe needs a time out. I'm sorry you can find work BC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor Ramon
I'm not worried about people thinking I'm gay. I have people in my family that are gay and I have friends that are gay. I also friends with a few transgendered people. And I currently live in the most homophobic track of land in north America. I have every reason to be this protective of them and worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
When was the last time you agreed with someone?
I'm actually w/Neck Hair on this one. For all the problems Internet anonymity breeds, ice cold Internet confirmation will cause more problems. imo.
There are parts of this country where being different are not just uncool but dangerous. Maybe not in POR, SF, SEA, NY, BAL, LA, CHI, BOS, or MIA, but how about some of the places where the SEC plays?
Perhaps I'm wrong?
I agree with meach :P
You're so worried about internet privacy and you make all these revelations here and have outbursts, even Taco Bell wouldn't put up with this nonsense. I can track your info by using your screen name through paid sites I use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
you make a habit of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korian
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372,682,105 People Associated with "fe 26"
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I wanna lock this thread but for some reason I can't...
Agreed. And fuck Google's CEO for his stance against privacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
The word Dooce rings a bell too. People get sacked from their jobs over what's on a blog- or even stalked by some random thug who disagrees with them. We need to avoid an all-out Orwellian scenario.
You may want to nuke certain Flash cookies (LSOs). Get BetterPrivacy if you use Firefox.
Nick finally saw the light and revoked your mod powers?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonusKun
Why lock a thread that's on topic and has no card-worthy posts?
That's some SRK shit.
Thanks. I installed it and it found a few LSOs, and none of them are of any use to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverDude
It puzzles me that flash based cookies could get onto my system when I have FlashBlock running all the time.
I've got it set so everytime I quit Firefox, they all get wiped. Blowing the LSOs away hasn't given me any issue. LSOs can be used to create Zombie cookies.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
Which do what?
Moan and shamble, mostly.
LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shakey
Read this.
The LSO/Flash cookie can be used to recreate an OG cookie that you delete.
And we're worried about cookies because...?
I choose to just say Hell No to privacy invasion, especially that from persistent cookies. Hackers can exploit them. Case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Check this serious shit out: The Evercookie.
Did someone say cookie?
No it's more like this thread made by Ironplant is giving me a headache...Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
I'm fine with you exercising your right to privacy (though I have a hard time understanding how cookies violate that right).Quote:
Originally Posted by gameoverDude
Can I get a show of hands from everyone who has been 'hacked' by hackers using browser cookie exploits?
You're probably not being truly hacked, if you know how they are getting your shit.
Check out the 'Speed up your PC' thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Bad cookies are as likely a suspect as anything else.
I actually agree with Fe 26 on this as a whole, too. Anonymity on the internet has bred some hilarious results. It's made the internet an amazing place. And really the most harm that comes from it is a few hacked computers. My question to congress is why is the electrical grid hooked up to the internet in the first place if they're so worried about hackers taking it down? You can isolate it quite easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Meach
I wouldn't expect Detour to understand freedom. Australia has one of the most authoritative governments for an industrialized, "western" country. I mean they banned small tits under guise of pedophilia (I guess grown men with girlfriends and wives with smaller breasts are all secretly pedo's). His ability to bend over on the whim to the goings-on regardless of merit echo a large problem with that country as a whole, IMO.
So all in all I'm glad the internet is anonymous. I don't like trading freedom for security due to fear in any instance.
You just don't understand because you don't come from a land down under.
They need a strong government to deal with all the feral cats and rabbits that are killing all of their precious lethal animals, and to protect good christians from all the heathen dumb abos and evil movies and video games.
Hah! I fucking hate the vast majority of our government's policies. Also, Privacy <> Freedom.
I am actually softening my stance on this, as I read more. I agree - a person should be able to choose to be private. But to whine about it and then check your Facebook account for the 8th time today? Go fuck yourself.
I, personally, find a lot more value in being public. YMMV. Now, let's all be friends.
There is some value in being public, ideally. If we all could get along, and no one had agendas or was mean, it would be awesome.
Lets, ideally, say Icarus had no privacy. They could make a program to build a database around him. It would collect internet and buying information off of him. Then they would use this to only advertise things he wants and only things he wants. So he'd no longer have to deal with any of the things in life he hates (for the most part). Every commercial and banner ad would be for something he enjoys. His internet and tv experiences would be tailored to him.
This is where the more ethical businesses want to take this kind of technology. Very specific marketing. Not a single cent being wasted on people that give no returns. A marketing mix so perfect, that ever dollar spent on advertising results in an eventual purchase. And the people not in your market, will never even know you existed. Because if they can't see you, they can't give your products bad reviews and feedback.
I don't like tailored marketing.
It's never right and always more offensive for assuming so.
Yeah. This!Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
Edit: I realize this is a worthless post, but I emphatically agree and have nothing else to add.
tailored marketing is what all the "innovated" minds of business want right now. It's what they teach in class, in all the text books, business sites, etc. If you like widgets, widget maker #547832 wants to be able to inform you of his new widget as soon as possible. And he doesn't want people who hate widgets to even know about it.
In the end, I don't know if it is a great idea. Consumerism is part of our culture. It is part of the western identity. I think it will further divide us if people have vastly different consumer experiences. Probably more than half of what we do for leisure is connected to things when spend money on. How much harder is it going to be for you to connect to other people when you know zero about what interest them? Like you can't even hold a conversation with them because you barely know what all that stuff is?
And news is pretty much a product in the US. Will this kind of tailored marketing apply to them? Will we all only be able to watch opinions that match ours? How distorted would that make everyone's political outlook? We already have some of that with people over 50 who don't know how to use technology to educate themselves about stuff. Do we need an entire country of people like that?
We already have entire states like that.
I wasn't implying that we didn't already have some of that. But it has been building. And will continue to build.
This thread got hilarious.
Holy shit...
:lol: :lol:
Tailored marketing makes sense from a logical stand point. But having something (IE Amazon's new Browser Silk) try and tell me what I want, or where I want to go, is just going to be irritating. Speaking of have any of you paid attention to Silk? The idea of the Browser is to send your browsing data to Amazon's cloud, try and figure out where you're going to go next and suggest it. I don't know if that will actually hold true, at all, but it seems to me that it's more creepy and invasive than my internet browser needs to be.
I should clarify, it's not going automatically take you to the next page or something extreme like that, it's just going to load it before you to go there to speed up the experience. Amazon's cloud is pretty amazing, and I've been using it a little bit here and there for a project (Companies like Netflix are using it some amazing ways) but something reporting that and calculating where you may want to go seems a little bothersome. On the level where amazon could easily store this data (which it is doing because it's supposed to compare your browsing habits to other's to figure it out) at all times (assuming it can connect to EC2 Amazon's Cloud).
I don't like the sound of that. Where I want to go at any given time can range from Strapya and Sanrio to the most hideous depths of the internet.
Hey buttcheeks. That girl you mentioned that broke up with you after reading your shit on here - would it have been a better, happier time if she hadn't seen it, and you'd continued seeing her?
I'm more worried where it thinks I want to go after 4chan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
Also if it's a feature that's off by default or at least can be turned off that'd at least be something.
I disagree about privacy not being freedom. The moment someone says "well if you're not doing anything wrong then you won't mind" you're being treated as a criminal without due cause. Everything else here I agree with though. If you join Facebook and willfully give up your info then who can be to blamed but you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
But that's how privacy will corrode anyway - convenience.
That's because it's in it's infancy. You just wait until you start liking all of your recommendations. I've made a few purchases on Amazon already because of suggestive selling. I've even checked out concerts in my area due to fb ads (never pulled the trigger though).Quote:
Originally Posted by icarusfall
As soon as the database can discern you are a pragmatic existentialist with a shadenfreud complex it will start working. I'm just a much less complex target.
The book recs Amazon gives me are hilariously bad, and it's not because I've bought few books. But they love to show me some annoying stats books and whatever because I bought two actuarial books in like, 2008.
The game recs are mostly "buy every game" and truthfully they figured me out.
short term, long term?Quote:
Originally Posted by Detour
Short term, I'd been a lot better off. Long term, well, hindsight and all that.
I don't know if the user-base of facebook would agree with you. The bulk of facebook users don't even know what facebook really is. They think it is a website hosting site tht lets them host a page to share baby pictures with their family, or to share happy fun drinking party pics with friends. Most of them have a childish assumption of privacy that doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
That's because that's why Facebook is. And most people are aware of the way both Facebook and google make their money. They just don't care because the tools are free, exceptionally made and useful.
facebook is exceptionally made?
It is without question. No one else has come close.
You're full of shit.
I realize you don't like Facebook, but it does exactly what it's designed to do and does it well. It lets you hook up online with friends and keep track of the goings on in your various social circles. It does it really well. That's why despite you crying wolf about internet privacy you have an account with them and probably use Google daily. Why? Because not only are both those services are built well they serve an innate function in your life that you're better off having than not.
You can say it's built like shit all you want, but it's not. That's just you being an emotional twat because you don't like the idea of how facebook is using your info.
lol
How's that class going for you, Drew?
He's actually right, you know.
Doesn't matter. He doesn't care nor will he ever admit it.
...I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one, Razor.
I am.
None of you see my subtle cleverness.
Only cowards use the edit button.
It says when you edit it. A man's way IMO.
do you actually know anything about anything, to make that statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisco Bold
Do you actually know anything about anything to discredit that statement?
well, I actually understand how to program. And I've done some e-marketing and done some research on e-marketing and social marketing. And I've done some research and given a presentation or two on the relationship of social media and economic health.
And I know enough about myself to know that when I scoffed at the idea of facebook being "exceptional" that it wasn't for personal reasons.
Drew can't argue that something is exceptional because it exist and people use it. And countering my disbelief with personal attacks isn't a valid argument either.
The reason I didn't mention any specifics about Facebook is, well... because you didn't. You just said it sucks after I mentioned it was good. Did you read that critiquing method online in between your wikipedia skimming on emarketing or your vague Google research on social marketing?
Facebook does a great job because it meets the three cornerstone criteria of interactive design -- usability, usefulness and desirability. It has all three in spades. It does more right than it does wrong by a long shot. It's also why no copycat has managed to best them.
And since you've thought it a good idea to get in to academic penis measuring about the subject I think I should remind you that I've been actually marketing successfully since around 2006. And by that I don't mean I've "done some research". I've been working at big and medium sized agencies on the accounts of product you've actually used. Not to mention my current enrollment and study of interactive media at one of the most reputable colleges in Canada. My course average is 96.7% going in to mid-terms so things are fantastic -- thanks for asking.
Most people would counter you with personal attacks because the idea that facebook is anything short of exceptional is ridiculous, from both a technical and social/marketing/whateverthefuck standpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
But please, share with us your thoughts on the many shortcomings of facebook, either on a technical or marketing level because you didn't even specify which angle you were loling at.
I think facebooks interface could be improved, and i think the whole social networking site format is pretty stupid. It has the relative inconvenience of email crossed with the inane banter of IM. I check my fb occasionally on my commute and post maybe once a month. G+ is a much cleaner interface, but all i really use is the huddle feature (which is awesome).
Actually, I said the site wasn't exceptional and that you were full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
It is possible to think something is not outstanding, but not think it sucks. Facebook is adequate. Saying it is exceptional is like saying the Model T was an exceptional car. It wasn't. It was adequate and affordable. People lost interest once other cars that met their taste and price range became available. The same will happen to Facebook. It isn't exceptional just because it is functional.
You're becoming just as reactionary as Razor. "oh god, someone doesn't agree with me, they must be taking a completely opposite extreme stance. The Horror."
good job - sureQuote:
Facebook does a great job because it meets the three cornerstone criteria of interactive design -- usability, usefulness and desirability. It has all three in spades. It does more right than it does wrong by a long shot.
great job - maybe on the right day
exceptional - probably not
No one has been able to copy them because of the size of their userbase. Not because of the merits of the software. People get fed up with the site all the time, but don't leave because their friends are already on facebook. Or they leave, and only use it on the rare instance that they need some contact information or to message someone that they don't have in their email/ph# list. All someone needs to do to compete with facebook is figure out a way to get their userbase up to that size. Google probably has a good shot at that, if they bootstrap off of the size of their email users.Quote:
It's also why no copycat has managed to best them.
marketing is a stretch for what you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
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Not to mention my current enrollment and study of interactive media at one of the most reputable colleges in Canada. My course average is 96.7% going in to mid-terms so things are fantastic -- thanks for asking.
The front end for facebook might not be anything special, but the server side stuff and the business model would qualify as exceptional.
If you're going for an insult, you should have bolded 'colleges'.
yes, there server shit is so awesome
how did I forget that
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I forgot that you're an IT expert.
What a fucking idiot.
The front end stuff is good too. People bitch about it all they want, but Facebook gives you the info you want right away and hides the bells and whistles. It also requires an active email to recommend friends. It does so much stuff right. That's why it's #1. There are hundreds of social networks out there. The only way new social networks make ends now is to be a niche community (like ravelry for people who knit). Sure, something may come along and be better than Facebook. But the reason it hasn't isn't because of userbase (the internet is getting faster and bigger - the next big thing will hit a billion users faster than facebook did) it's because Facebook fills the need and does it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
Cry more, baby. Marketing is exactly what I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Fe26 literally has zero expertise in this subject despite his protests against that claim. I'm going to stop posting. It's clear he knows he ignorantly entered a subject he had zero knowledge about and has every intention of being flippant with it now that he was called out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kedawa
And it's not just the install base that's keeping them on top. They've also shown that they are very quick to adapt to any real competition, which pretty much negates any "... until the next big thing comes along" fears or predictions. Just another way Facebook is exceptionally well-made & maintained.
But yeah, we're probably better off not posting any more.
Remember Myspace?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Hasn't that turned into the projects of the social networking scene?
Is it even that anymore? Last time I was on there, it was pretty much some kind of Band pokemon league. Where you can collect all your bands and check on their tour dates and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Some Stupid Japanese Name
Its become a place for bands and some companies to put up really cheap web pages and songs. No one uses it for a social community anymore.
Which is why it failed or is failing. People have accounts, but they don't use them. And no one is making new accounts. They have lost a good chunk of their user base.
This is just laughably ignorant. Do you even understand what social media is? The user base is the product. It is what makes facebook possible and finally, profitable. Trying to claim "Facebook fills the need and does it well" is why they are "exceptional" is just absurd. Fulfilling the basic requirement of business, to fill a need and do it well" does not make a business special. That is like saying the shitty McDonald's down the street is exceptional because it "fills a need and does it well"Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
I can't take you serious anymore if you don't even know what businesses Facebook is in.
Its on you man. All I know from you talking about your job is that you've worked in a print shop and you might have done some write up because you've bragged in the past about having tons of fonts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
If you want your experience acknowledged, you should go into more depth about what you have personally done. I'm not going to suck your dick just because you worked in the building with people that might have worked with a big company.
Yeah. You and firstblood should probably bow out. If all you got is "facebook works" and "I might have worked for big companies that I will not name, therefore I know better" and "IP is always wrong, so he can't be right about this?" then you don't have anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewbacca
Wait you think Drew just works in a print shop?
Amazing.
I know what he talks about.
That's all the rest of us know as well.
Which is entirely different from what you just said.
Maybe I miss some threads. I don't keep records on you guys.
Just what I expected.
smugness is unbecoming on you, Brisco.
You're the biggest goof I've ever known.
A note about social networks and Facebook's imminent death: Google+ is pretty much yesterday's news. Apparently they got a big bump when they opened up registrations but now it is firmly back in nobody cares mode. Google will probably kill it next year. So much for that.
This accidental public post from a google employee sums up pretty well from a programming standpoint why it was bound to fail from the start.
Plus it's worth noting that Facebook responded to Google+ by adding a bunch of features, changing a bunch of stuff, and neutralizing all of Google+'s supposed advantages. It wasn't like Microsoft, who took 3 years to respond to the iPhone.
Facebook seems to be way more competent and agile than the tech pundits and Slashdot crowd would have you think. What a shock - those guys are never wrong, right?
I'm not an evangelist for Facebook by any means, but I am willing to respect their ability to adapt and their innate ability to create new features that their users want based on their viewing / surfing habits. I personally think the way Facebook runs roughshod over their userbase's privacy is pretty scuzzy. But they're also pretty upfront about it... so it's hard to really complain when you're voluntarily putting up with it. Facebook does what we want it to do and does it well. It has very good usability, usefulness and desirability. So it's built well.
I'm sure that someday something will come along to usurp it.
That was an interesting read, even if I had to look up half of the terms and abbreviations.
Such a great PSN slam.Quote:
But I'll argue that Accessibility is actually more important than Security because dialing Accessibility to zero means you have no product at all, whereas dialing Security to zero can still get you a reasonably successful product such as the Playstation Network.
boom roasted
this was a good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by FirstBlood
Its pretty sad that we've become so accustomed to companies being big lumbering morons, that when one reacts as it should, people are impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
"you didn't set on your ass and let another big company steam roll you? Amazing."
It's the nature of overblown bureaucracy.