Kickstarter's All-purpose Speculatory Thread of Dreams

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I think that real companies might be the worst actually. They are used to running on tight budgets and get a free bag of money with no strings attached. Kind of like how Massive Chalice money is being used to finish Broken Age.

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I don't follow these things often. Which other companies have dodged out? The only big ones i've heard are Double Fine and they ended up looking like huge assholes, like everyone else who did something stupid, and that's not the kind of customer relationship you want to have, unless you're Microsoft or Apple.

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They've been making games for over a decade. If they have no cash they either need to charge Capcom or Konami more money to do their remakes or actually put some marketing into their original games so they sell to more than 5 TNLers.

I really like their games, but I'm not giving them any cash.

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Don't be so opaque. You're just "waiting for the Steam sale."
If you like the game and/or the company, fund it. If you don't care for it, fine, don't, but stop acting like you're making a stand against a terrible company. They're asking for enough people to pre-order it (along with a bunch of crap if you want to pay more) so they don't lose quite as much money as usual. Their games aren't selling millions of copies (or probably even hundreds of thousands), they're not trying to trick a bunch of suckers, they actually want to make a product and see this as a good way to fund it.

I do find it interesting how transparent this has been making in regards to developers being unable to budget properly. It's always been an issue - often referenced in the What Went Right, What Went Wrong postmortems on Gamasutra - but Kickstarter is helping to shove it a little more into the public eye.

i'm only mad because i love wayforward so much even if i don't like a lot of their games all that much

please understand. Anyway, they'll get enough of my money for 10 pre-orders, SO THERE.

I sure do want to give them more the $35 I pledged, but I have no desire to pay more for a beta. I'd love to do it out of good will, but they're not a charity!

Man, I wish more people would care about this game...

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Originally Posted by GohanX

The problem is that they are a for real company and shouldn't be asking for our money. They've made several successful games, if they can't afford to do this themselves they need to take a long hard look at how they handle money.

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This is bullshit. It's like saying "Pedro from the Home Depot parking lot has worked on at least 20 houses, so why doesn't he have his own construction company?"

Developers get paid to keep the lights on while they're working on a game, and not much more. They hardly ever get much in the way of royalties after unless something is a massive hit, and certainly not enough to self-finance a game with. That's kind of the whole point. Double Fine could have found a company to fund Massive Chalice, I'm sure, but if they ever want to break out of publisher servitude, they need a game that they own the profits from.

Now Wayforward clearly has saved enough to make a game with, because they're making Shantae 3DS, and they're also probably going to fund the majority of this new one themselves, too, because the amount they're asking for is not nearly enough to make that game. So it seems like they've actually done a pretty good job of that, but they just don't have enough to do what they want to anytime soon without help.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Kind of like how Massive Chalice money is being used to finish Broken Age.

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Except that isn't true. If it was, Double Fine wouldn't have had to endure the scandal of splitting up Broken Age's release in order to get Early Access funds.

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Originally Posted by Finch

they're not trying to trick a bunch of suckers

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They are too. I see the words Contra 4 on the cover but then all I see is a shit game

Massive Chalice pretty actively being worked on and none of that team are working on Broken Age. I really doubt there's any budget slight of hand there.

Contra 4 is really actually pretty kind of definitely good. Might even be their (mechanically) best game.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Except that isn't true. If it was, Double Fine wouldn't have had to endure the scandal of splitting up Broken Age's release in order to get Early Access funds.

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Can someone explain to me why this matters? I backed the game. I'm getting both halves. If you didn't back, it's a two-part episodic story. It's a slight change in plans and the most unkind thing you can say is that Doublefine overreached, but they're also delivering. What's the problem?

James

Contra 4 and Aliens Infestation are good WayForward games.

I hear the Shantaes are also good, but I've never played them.

Fuck all other WayForward games.