lol They have to play games they don't even like and make peanuts. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
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lol They have to play games they don't even like and make peanuts. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
End of the day, they're doing what they love. And getting paid to play videogames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Also pretty sure a decent amount don't need the cash and some, a few Polygon people for example, come from well off backgrounds.
It's a sweet gig, I respect the profession.
stop bullshitting us
No thanks
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
LOL
I actually can't believe I typed that either. Game journalists....who cares, right? They're such losers! All they do is sit around playing games months before they're in stores, getting paid to eat Doritos! Fucking losers! We're the real winners...we grind through mind numbing numbers all day as accountants and play games for a couple hours each night before we have to go to bed to get up early to face that excel spreadsheet in the morning. Fucking awesome!
Someday you may type something that somebody believes. It'll be an interesting day.
I was thinking, the average games journalist probably makes less than the average TNL'er.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Look, I think game journalists are dickwad hacks too. I just think trolling them endlessly will only make them more dickwad-ish, as opposed to less so, if we leave them alone. Maybe that's the point. IdkQuote:
Originally Posted by James
Hey Tyler, are you an ayahuasca dude?
ayahuasca...you mean DMT? Always in favor of a good trip!
Tyler Durden is a fitting character for a fitting thread.
is it bad that I just noticed the topic says TABLE and not TALE
No it won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Aw man, you mean you get paid to just sit around and use computers all day?! I'm jelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
That really does describe my life uncannily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
But I don't want to be a game journalist.
Game journalists have the more fun job day to day, but you're probably starting to make more money than you know what to do with, and you'll be able to retire comfortably at some point which can't be said about game journalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Yeah and to be honest, most of the mainstream stuff isn't really worth playing that much these days anyways compared to the crop of indie games.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
Try being a Videogame tester and then get back to me how awesome that job is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
I've heard it is the worst
It's not a career, but you can make some fun out of it
"tester" like whatever, not Test Engineer
On testing:
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"Your job (your high-overtime job), and therefore, your life, has no purpose. It’s just you and the guy next to you, yelling at screens, finding and entering bugs that won’t be fixed, in a soul-crushing room the color of bile and shit, trying to earn $9.50 an hour in Los Angeles, where $9.50 might buy your lunch, and a month’s worth of wages might cover your rent, if your parents are very generous in what they charge you."
Why do people work unpaid overtime?
I'd never agree to that, unless it's my own business and I'm the owner.
salaried?
Uh, usually the person in question is unskilled and is living check to check. They need the job or the experience. The bosses pick up on that and leverage the ability to work for them to get some free work.
unskilled programmer
*I need to stop drunk posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
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Originally Posted by Fe 26
yeah. Relatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzo
If you're fresh out of college or trying to break into 'dream job' you will give more away than you normally would or should.
People outside of tech think that everyone that graduates MSET is a genius. Or knows everything there is to know in their field. None of them do. None. Everyone has to work at least 4 years in their field before getting a good grasp.
And you gotta think about the job market. Everyone wants 4 years of experience. Everyone. No one wants a fresh MSET. Almost everyone has to take what they can get, put up with the bullshit, build up that resume, then stop taking as much shit in the second job.
Also, you have bosses like the ones Yeller complains about. The ones that string you along. "make this for me and I will give you the kingdom. Job of your dreams"
And what is the alternative? Spend 4 to 5 years getting a programming degree, spend another 6 months to a year to land your dream game programming job...and then leave exactly at closing and get fired in a month for not being a team player?
Then what? You're worse off than when you graduated. You can't put 3 months of work experience on a resume. You can't go into your next interview with "well, I got fired because I left on time." Interviewer is going to think you're lying. And even if they believe you, now they think you won't help the team. They'll pass on you for someone that sounds like they will work harder to help everyone else.
Hell, you probably don't even have any contacts worth a shit because you became the guy that left in the middle of work. Those vets that stay late to finish the project don't want to work with you. You leave on the dot. You probably aren't salaried big fancy pants employee material in their eyes.
And shit, you don't even have any money to pay rent because you spent all of that looking for the job. Guess it is time to move back to Bumblefuck with your parents and start the search again.
This is the worst message board.
Most salaried jobs are unpaid overtime.
yeah, they forget to mention that when singing the praises of educated labor in high school and college.
"btw, IP-Kun, you're degree earns you 10-12 hour days for eternity"
"sometimes you have to work weekends for free"
shitheads
clearly the drug doing business
Salaried makes sense, but that's not what I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diff-chan
Pretty sure it's illegal to force you to work unpaid overtime and especially to fire you for refusing.
They'll find a way to fire you if you don't do it, eventually.
I resent the implication that Excel spreadsheets are boring. That's what I spend 80% of my work on and I quite enjoy it. It's like I'm playing a Paradox strategy game, but getting paid for it!
They are better than the alternative. I do some pretty amazing things at work with them.
"We're re organizing'Quote:
Originally Posted by YellerDog
'We do not feel you're a good fit'
"You've consistently broken our Internet usage policy'
'You'vee consistently came in late'
'You do not meet deadlines'
My favorite is moving employs to a position of failure then letting them go when they fail.
My job has layered policies that are literally impossible to perform correctly. It's pretty much a way to ensure that management can write us up at any time if they want to, though they mostly have that in place to trap people and prevent transfers as opposed to firing them (as I recall you can't transfer departments until a year after your last write-up).
I like being on the precipice of quitting my day job to go do my own shit and hustle freelance.
Coming from a guy who visits 4chan, that one seems reasonable. Even if you don't do it with work assets, its taint is still on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
Never mind other anatomical regions!
Untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe 26
There may be social pressures to it ("you have to do this on your own time, but it would mean a lot of new opportunities"), but being on salary does not legally make it okay to work unpaid OT. Now, they can ask you to be "OT exempt" and sign a contract/waiver, but you don't have to, and having a salary doesn't mean you won't get extra pay for extra time put in.
At least that's how it is in CA.