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Originally Posted by Fe 26
I disagree with the Mary Sue thing. No more than Luke. Is James Bond a Mary Sue? He's good at everything and everyone likes him. I think that's just a term that gets slung around by nerd boys whenever there's a female protagonist that isn't defined by 'female specific hardships'.
Don't pick up that habit, it's weak. Straight out of 'Film Criticism for Fuckboys 101"
Bond probably is a marry sue, and suffers as a character for it. Thinking about it, most of the hames bond movies are horrible as narratives or art. They don't give you anything with depth. They depend completely on action and gadgets. None of the characters are fully developed. You never really understand why anyone is good or bad outside of they are the bad guys and he is the good guy. It probably wouldn't get a pass if it wasn't about a spy and not knowing anything about the main character implies he's a really good spy.
Hell, Bond is such a fucking Marry Sue the character is completely interchangeable with any decent male actor. Just drop one in and he's going to save the day. One doesn't sell his character better than the other, because the character is only veneer deep.
Also, did you honestly use fuckboy in conversation?
I've been listening to a lot of Run The Jewels this week. :lol:
I don't think "Mary Sue" is a legitimate term. It's one of those things that crept out of fanfiction, are you going to perpetuate that?
Or are we going to have to watch every character in fiction go through fucking college to prove why they're good at something? Just take it as read and move on.
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Sure, I guess I could write a paragraph every time we discuss this, explaining why undeveloped perfect characters are text book bad story telling. That it is the kind of story telling mistake that children and college freshmen writers make. That they do not reflect real life. That it is hard to write a classic story around them because everything falls flat when the mc doesn't struggle or grow. I could even really nerd out and talk about how Superman or God are Marry sues and people like Batman and Jesus more because they are flawed in comparison. But that would be obnoxious and we have a term that covers all of that.
Besides, I didn't even dwell on it as criticism. I like the character. I like watching her fix things. Actually watching her be good at everything is better than even worse offenders in film where its just implied they are great at everything, nothing is shown or developed and stuff just falls into place like that horrible Insurgency movie.
It wouldn't even matter if anyone didn't like it. This is just how Disney writes now. They can't write a MC female without her being a marry sue or Smartest Person in the Room.
James Bond is, in large part, Ian Fleming wanting to be his cousin Christopher Lee in WWII. There's a bit of Mary Sue-ness going on there but it was gotten to in a reasonable way.
Calling Rei a Mary Sue makes as much sense as calling any superhero/action-hero one. There's a large amount of wish-fulfillment and power fantasy in all of them, and gender is irrelevant.
That is a valid criticism of super hero stories. Its why in the 70s and 80s we moved to more flawed characters.
Writes dealt with the perfection by saying "oh wait, they aren't perfect. They're all varying degrees of fucked in the head."
Take Wolverine for example. Without his memory and personality problems, he'd be a marry sue.