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Originally Posted by Eurogamer
While 3DS and Vita cross development is odd, it's better than having the main game released on both PS3 and Vita without Cross Buy.
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Originally Posted by Eurogamer
While 3DS and Vita cross development is odd, it's better than having the main game released on both PS3 and Vita without Cross Buy.
I kind of hope this is a 2.5d game or something like that. I don't think either system is up for an open world sand boxy game.
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Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
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Sorry missed that part.
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- Warner Bros. wanted to have a 2.5D-style Arkham game in the style of Metroidvania
- The company chose Armature because the studio was familiar with that style of game
- Takes place after the end of Origins
- Set on the isolated island at the Blackgate Penitentiary
- Prison uprising has occurred
- Intro level in Gotham
- Batman goes to Blackgate in order to put a stop to the riot
- 2D animatics with full voices tell the story
- Batman moves through a side-scrolling game world
- He’ll pick up near gear and take on enemies along the way
- Interconnected passages and prison secrets
- Not focused on leveling up abilities like the console games
- Instead, it stays true to the subgenre’s formula
- All of Batman’s improvements came through gear pick-ups and upgrades
- Team wanted to give players more of a sense of collection
- Mostly set along a 2D plane
- Takes full advantage of the visual three-dimensionality of the environments
- Explore, fight, and interact with the foreground abnd background
- Can grapple up to gargoyles on a background balcony while a crowd of armed inmates pass by
- Enemies will go after Batman from all angles
- Go to the foreground or background to tackle a designed foe
- Combat similar to the console Batman games
- Button taps to attack, counter, and use gear are in place
- Freeflow combat system
- Built from the ground up
- Batarang: stun enemies or hit distant objects
- Line launcher: cross wide gaps
- Explosive gel variation: shoot from a launcher onto spots around the screen
- This lets you get involved with entertaining takedowns such as dropping a chandelier on enemies from above
- More gadgets will also be in the game
- Has a version of the predator mode
- Game has a few more layers of feedback
- Ex: can see the sightlines of enemies
- This lets you know if enemies can see you or not
- Same kind of vantage points, floor grates, silent takedowns, glide kicks, weapon use, and breakable walls as in the console games
- Game is split into various sections
- Each can be accessed once you figure out a way inside
- No save rooms
- Modern checkpoint system
- Can manually save whenever you desire
- Can defeat the bosses in any ordder if you find out where you want to go
- “We don’t want you to break the game, but if you can exploit it in a certain way that we haven’t thought of, that’s awesome. So it’s conceivable the players will have abilities that don’t necessarily jibe that great with the boss. We’ve taken some cues from other games where if you have a particular item against a boss, you’ll just rip them a new one, but we don’t tell you what that item is”
- Will have detective mode
- Tap a button and the screen fades into a digitized overlay with detailed info
- Green enemies: enemies haven’t seen you
- Red enemies: enemies are onto your location
- Move a reticle around the screen to focus Batman’s attention
- Can use this to uncover secrets
- Uncover clues and analyze dangerous situations in detective mode
Wow. Those shots look pretty good even super zoomed. On a 5" screen, they'll look great.
edit: I'm not sure I like the idea of combo-based combat in this genre though.
This makes me happy. It's not the open-ended level design that drags the MetroidVanias down, it's the experience leveling and rare drop farming.Quote:
- Not focused on leveling up abilities like the console games
- Instead, it stays true to the subgenre’s formula
- All of Batman’s improvements came through gear pick-ups and upgrades
That's looking DAMN interesting, more so than the console game (not Rocksteady? Pffffff).
The 3DS just keeps rockin'!
That's not the 3DS version you're looking at.
3DS and Vita versions are going to be damn close it looks like. Word from people who have played both versions say the Vita one is sporting some higher res textures, and higher precision lighting, but the same models. Though it looks like they need to do a gamma vix on their 3DS textures, get Batman's suit back to being black.
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Also here's a gameplay video of the full demo played on the Vita.
Combat looks painfully slow and clunky to me. :( I was really excited for this originally, now I'm not so sure. I really hope they change/improve/speed up the combat before release.
That sounds as "damn close" as a console version vs. a PC version of most games. Hopefully the Vita runs at an acceptable frame rate, which is what gets lost in most of these comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
Most games have half assed PC ports. They definitely could have done more to differentiate the two versions. According to folks who played the demos both seem to be running at 30fps, hopefully they can double that for the Vita versions before release. It's at least native res, which is nice for a Vita game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshi
That game looks so bad. The Arkham combat system doesn't translate well to 2D.
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They definitely could have done more to differentiate the two versions. According to folks who played the demos both seem to be running at 30fps, hopefully they can double that for the Vita versions before release.
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It's at least native res, which is nice for a Vita game.
From the video that seemed like the biggest issue to me. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the movement, and lay out hopefully being more exciting once you get into Blackgate, but the combat just looks awful. Just slow, clunky and boring. Definitely waiting on reviews for this one.Quote:
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It's not just the combat, but the fact that fit in all these conventions from the Arkham, like the scanning and hiding on gargoyles and whatever. It doesn't work.
Adam Sessler interviewing the dudes and some gameplay stuff. I really wanted this to be good, but the more footage I see of it, the more boring, and just awful it looks. Disappointing.
It's probably got some neat cutscenes, tutorials and tooltips, though!
This looks horrendous. What were they thinking? Just cancel it now imo.
Thanks, 3DS cross-development. :\
Maybe they would have been just as lazy without it though.
Also, Adam Sessler now looks like Vasteel.
It doesn't look lazy, just misguided. The Arkham games are awesome, don't translate to 2D though.
I see lazy in two places:
1. The weak ass environments, which also could have been a result of the 3DS hardware.
2. The fact that they just stole every mechanic from the big boy games. Perhaps WB demanded that though.
I really think they wanted a portable, 2D version of the Arkham games. This is the quite literal result. Feels bad.
Yeah, that concept was flawed from day one.
The simple environments might definitely be due to 3DS compromise.
But all the scanning, good lord. In a huge, 3D world filled with different places to explore and enemies to sneak around (before you can punch them in the face), scanning is pretty rad.
But in a 2D world why would I scan?
"This scan lets me see that there are enemies to my right, which is the case of every 2D game ever. There is also a hidden grate 4 feet in front of me which I can see clearly."
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
Another trailer.
Just got this in. I haven't paid any attention to it. PS3 version seems to have some extra DLC.
This one isn't on PS3. It's not a good sign for either game that all of the reviews are embargoed until tomorrow though.
Whoops. Only paid attention to the batman origins part.
Yeah, Vita and 3DS don't even look good on their boxes.
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Welp, turns out they had a trick up their sleeve regarding length. After you finish all three bosses, someone outsmarts Batman (yes, again) and places five bombs in the entire prison which you have to disarm, but apparently you only get the location of the first one. I could see that taking a while....
Of course it will take a while. You have to find the Triforce piece maps first.
Well, sounds like all my early suspicions were confirmed.
The GFX look awesome... when will it be released?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shin Johnpv
November 15.
So it seems this game is like 5 - 6 hours long.
Steam database reveals Blackgate HD, joining Resident Evil: Revelations, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate, and Assassin's Creed III: Liberation to remind us not to buy western third party games on portables, because a real version will come with patience.
Considering those games are terrible, maybe it's just a better idea to not buy western third party portable games at all.
I blew it on the best retail game on the 3DS being western obviously. You may have a point on the other three. I haven't played any of those yet.
Shinobi 3DS is probably the best Western-made portable game of the current gen. I doubt it's ever coming to Steam.
That's certainly true. A more accurate common thread would have been portable versions of multiplatform series, as opposed to western portable games.
edit: What I specifically had in mind when I originally said western was excluding the SMT games on both portables.
With a longer development time, Assassin's Creed III: Liberation could have been a really good game on the Vita. Depending on how much they tweaked it might be a good game now. Batman Blackgate and Mirrors of Fate are just terrible through and through.
I put a lot of time into Liberation on my recent trip and have come to like it slowly. It's definitely buggy and unpolished but it's still an ambitious title for a handheld. It works more often than it doesn't, I like the characters and maybe it's been patched a bit since I last played but the game seemed to flow a bit better.
Point is it's flawed but I don't hate it.
I played all the way through Blackgate. The map in the game is in the running for worst of all time.
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The Deluxe Edition, as this new version is called, includes the same story and gameplay
That's the thing, if it wasn't a well received game then I don't see a point in buying a prettier version.
vadernoooo
I haven't even played Origins yet.
Origins is good, Blackgate is not.
I miss the days when Sunsoft and Konami made Batman games, though I like Arkham Asylum and Arkham City quite a bit. I wouldn't mind seeing a new Batman for 3DS that plays like the NES version.