Seiken Densetsu: Rise of Mana (Android, iOS, PSV)

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Originally Posted by FirstBlood

But no one whines that SE iOS games should be free. They whine that the games cost more than everything else on the market. Probably solely because they don't want to cannibalize handheld sales. I think being critical of their pricing has plenty of merit.

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"Everything else on the market" is free or 99 cents. Seriously - check the average prices.

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Originally Posted by Frogacuda

Yeah, look at the top 100 grossing mobile games right now. Minecraft is literally the only paid app. People will shell out $50 on eggs in Puzzle & Dragon s $1 at a time but they won't pay $5 for a real game.

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Do we know how many people buy stuff though? I mean, I could see like 5% of the customers accouting for 75% of the revenue. That's not all that different for a lot of things in life, really

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

"Everything else on the market" is free or 99 cents. Seriously - check the average prices.

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Okay, I guess I should have said "everything else on the market that is a 'real game' that people pay for".

I'm really not sure what your point is. There are plenty of successful paid games. They're usually under $10. The wildly successful F2P/99cent market doesn't suddenly make those games disappear.

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Originally Posted by Joust Williams

Do we know how many people buy stuff though? I mean, I could see like 5% of the customers accouting for 75% of the revenue. That's not all that different for a lot of things in life, really

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It's worse than that. Almost 100% of it comes from the top 2%, and most of it from the top 0.15%. Basically, these games make money based on an incredibly small number of borderline retards with unlimited money who spend thousands of dollars a month on them. And while the idea of a product based solely on suckering rich kids out of their money makes me smile on some level, I would like to have some real games, too.

it would make me smile if it was suckering rich kids out of their money and it went to someone other than rich assholes.

The only SE game I've played on iOS that's retarded with microtransactions is All the Bravest, which is a terrible game anyway.

I hope this game uses a similar control scheme to the one Secret of Mana's port got, which is surprisingly playable on my phone.

Also HOLY SHIT HIROKI KIKUTA.

cool music at least, really evocative of SoM

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Originally Posted by FirstBlood

I'm really not sure what your point is. There are plenty of successful paid games. They're usually under $10.

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Nope.

edit: I just looked at the top 100 paid games. A good 70% are <$1, and 98% are <$5. And of the top highest grossing? Four paid games.

Five dollar games are disposable junk, and I don't think FFT or TWEWY or whatever is disposable junk.

As an exec of a major mobile games company, one thing I stress about F2P is respecting the consumer. If you have IAPs and loops that don't offer value to the user then it is trash.

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Originally Posted by Diff-chan

Nope.

edit: I just looked at the top 100 paid games. A good 70% are <$1, and 98% are <$5. And of the top highest grossing? Four paid games.

Five dollar games are disposable junk, and I don't think FFT or TWEWY or whatever is disposable junk.

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If you look at global top 10 grossing, there are no paid games. The majority of the money is in top 3 with everyone else left to pick up the scraps.